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2MuchMark 09-21-2013 01:39 PM

Republicans Block Proposal For National Science Laureate, Fearing Science
 
Just, lol....

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Republicans Block Proposal For National Science Laureate, Fearing Science

House Republicans, fearing action on climate change, do the nation a distinct disservice.

Earlier this week, House Republicans quietly blocked a proposal that would institute the position of science laureate of the United States. It was expected to sail by--after all, who could possibly have a problem with an honorary position that costs the taxpayers absolutely nothing, the goal of which is to promote science education? House Republicans, apparently.

In the United States, the position of laureate--the only national one of which is the poet laureate--is a largely ceremonial position. The poet laureate receives a small stipend of $35,000 a year and is given a platform to promote poetry and literature through readings, appearances, and new projects (some have promoted African diaspora poetry, some have attempted to get poetry and fiction into places like airports and waiting rooms, some have encouraged early education). The proposed science laureate would have a similar duty: Mazie Hirono, the Hawaii Democrat who co-sponsored the bill, described it as "a national role model who can encourage students to learn more about the sciences. By elevating great American scientific communicators, we can empower students--especially girls and minorities--to get excited about science." It would be an unpaid position, to be held by up to three notable American scientists.

The proposal should have passed easily. But last week, Larry Hart, a former Republican congressional aide and current representative of the American Conservative Union (the country's oldest politically conservative lobbying group), sent a letter to House Republicans claiming that this position is far from benign. Hart writes that the laureate, appointed by President Obama, "will share his view that science should serve political ends, on such issues as climate change and regulation of greenhouse gases.?

Republicans promptly pulled support for the bill, taking it off the floor schedule, meaning it may or may not ever actually see the floor again. At best, if there's pressure, it may be re-introduced in a few months. If it does, it'll face opposition from various anti-climate-change groups. Or the bill may just die.

An aide for Randy Hultgren of Illinois, Republican co-sponsor of the bill, said: ?This is not a presidential appointment, and there would be no taxpayer money involved. This bill is simply a chance to show our children that discovery science is important and that science can be an exciting and rewarding career.?

Definitely want to keep that message under wraps.

http://www.popsci.com/science/articl...fearingscience

crockett 09-21-2013 02:20 PM

We don't need no stinkn science stuff! MERICA FUCK YEA!

marcop 09-21-2013 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 19808119)
We don't need no stinkn science stuff! MERICA FUCK YEA!

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Vendzilla 09-21-2013 02:51 PM

Went from Global Warming to Climate Change
I remember when Al Gore bought his beach front property

BFT3K 09-21-2013 03:35 PM

https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/...38049895_n.jpg

crockett 09-21-2013 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19808131)
Went from Global Warming to Climate Change
I remember when Al Gore bought his beach front property

Scientist have long called it global climate change, it was the media that largely took hold of the term global warming and ran with it. Global warming seems like such a hard term for the right, to wrap their little minds around, so I'll try to help explain it.

Of course you don't need no science stuff but I'll try to educate you while you hold your hands over your eyes and ears..

The reason the term global warming became popular, was because the "average" yearly temp of the earth is warming. If you know anything at all about math, (hope they taught math in your school) you will know that with averages there are always high and low numbers and the center is... You guessed it the average..

Well the average global tempture is in fact warming. Yes, some years it might be cooler allowing your favorite Fox News mouth piece to declare victory over science because they are awesome and all. Yet year after year the globe is getting warmer.

Naughty-Pages 09-21-2013 03:55 PM

I was going to post a funny Michele Bachmann video.. but when I searched youtube for michele bachmann science there were just too many (that were funny as hell) to sort through

wehateporn 09-21-2013 04:01 PM

This is good to see as 'Science' has sold out :thumbsup

adendreams 09-21-2013 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 19808155)

awesome...:thumbsup

Vendzilla 09-21-2013 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 19808167)
Scientist have long called it global climate change, it was the media that largely took hold of the term global warming and ran with it. Global warming seems like such a hard term for the right, to wrap their little minds around, so I'll try to help explain it.

Of course you don't need no science stuff but I'll try to educate you while you hold your hands over your eyes and ears..

The reason the term global warming became popular, was because the "average" yearly temp of the earth is warming. If you know anything at all about math, (hope they taught math in your school) you will know that with averages there are always high and low numbers and the center is... You guessed it the average..

Well the average global tempture is in fact warming. Yes, some years it might be cooler allowing your favorite Fox News mouth piece to declare victory over science because they are awesome and all. Yet year after year the globe is getting warmer.

The San Fernando Valley was called the land of a thousand smokes before there were cars. What changed? People stopped burning their trash.

I took a year of Algebra and a year of Geometry and learned Trig in the Navy in one day.

California has the strictest emission standards than any place else on earth.

Here's my problem with the government stepping in to help with global warming.

If they get involved, they will say we need more hybrid cars, that get closer to 50 mpg
Yet a few months ago, I sold a 81 VW pick up that got 50 mpg

Or they will want more wind farms, wanna know how many bald eagles were killed last year by those? More than 573,000 birds are killed by the country's wind farms each year, including 83,000 hunting birds such as hawks, falcons and eagles, according to an estimate published in March in the peer-reviewed Wildlife Society Bulletin. Obama gave them a pass on killing bald eagles.

They will say we need to regulate polluting companies, that will make them move to china where they can pollute all they want. We're still going to breath the same air.

You know that Arnold Schwarzenegger gave the BAY Bridge project to China? We built them a factory so they could build it, we trained them to weld, yet when after a short time from putting the thing in place, they had to close it for structural repairs!

Obama will want to give more money to battery powered cars that only the rich can afford, too bad they couldn't build something like this

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/f...ive-2013-04-22

ThunderBalls 09-21-2013 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19808321)
The San Fernando Valley was called the land of a thousand smokes before there were cars. What changed? People stopped burning their trash.

I took a year of Algebra and a year of Geometry and learned Trig in the Navy in one day.

California has the strictest emission standards than any place else on earth.

Here's my problem with the government stepping in to help with global warming.

If they get involved, they will say we need more hybrid cars, that get closer to 50 mpg
Yet a few months ago, I sold a 81 VW pick up that got 50 mpg

Or they will want more wind farms, wanna know how many bald eagles were killed last year by those? More than 573,000 birds are killed by the country's wind farms each year, including 83,000 hunting birds such as hawks, falcons and eagles, according to an estimate published in March in the peer-reviewed Wildlife Society Bulletin. Obama gave them a pass on killing bald eagles.

They will say we need to regulate polluting companies, that will make them move to china where they can pollute all they want. We're still going to breath the same air.

You know that Arnold Schwarzenegger gave the BAY Bridge project to China? We built them a factory so they could build it, we trained them to weld, yet when after a short time from putting the thing in place, they had to close it for structural repairs!

Obama will want to give more money to battery powered cars that only the rich can afford, too bad they couldn't build something like this

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/f...ive-2013-04-22


Does California have any type of law whereas you can have another person legally declared to retarded to vote?

Just wondering.

2MuchMark 09-21-2013 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19808321)
The San Fernando Valley was called the land of a thousand smokes before there were cars. What changed? People stopped burning their trash.

What changed is the creation of the EPA in 1970 - the only good thing that Nixon ever did. When the EPA was created strict laws on pollution were quickly put into place. In 1990 alone the EPA prevented 205 premature deaths, 672,000 cases of chronic bronchitis, 843,000 cases of asthma attacks, 18 Million cases of child respirator illnesses and a shitload more.

And just in Los Angeles alone, Smog Producing Compounds are down 98% since the 1960's. http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In...A.-air-quality

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19808321)
I took a year of Algebra and a year of Geometry and learned Trig in the Navy in one day.

How to Learn Trigonometry in 9 steps (with pictures) http://www.wikihow.com/Learn-Trigonometry. But what this has to do with why republicans want to stop you from learning science I have no idea.

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19808321)
California has the strictest emission standards than any place else on earth.

All states should follow California.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19808321)
Here's my problem with the government stepping in to help with global warming.

If they get involved, they will say we need more hybrid cars, that get closer to 50 mpg
Yet a few months ago, I sold a 81 VW pick up that got 50 mpg

The Volkswagon caddy pickup truck 1.6 Litre engine gets only 34.1 Miles Per gallon, not 50.

If the government gets involved and says more hybrid or electric cars are required, it is because they have done their research. And in order to boost the sales, they will offer cash incentives and or tax credits to people to buy them the way they do now here in Canada and other places. Here in Quebec, the government pays you $8000 to buy an all electric car. They don't force you to buy one - they just make it damn inviting.



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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19808321)
Or they will want more wind farms, wanna know how many bald eagles were killed last year by those? More than 573,000 birds are killed by the country's wind farms each year, including 83,000 hunting birds such as hawks, falcons and eagles, according to an estimate published in March in the peer-reviewed Wildlife Society Bulletin. Obama gave them a pass on killing bald eagles.

Yes that is a terrible and tragic number for sure, but consider the tens of millions of birds lost to global warming, logging, and the constant ongoing oil disasters. We're talking entire species of birds here. Hopefully someone will figure out a way to reduce the bird deaths caused by wind farms.


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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19808321)
They will say we need to regulate polluting companies, that will make them move to china where they can pollute all they want. We're still going to breath the same air.

So much wrong with this. "They" (the government) will not "make" anyone move to China. If the owner of the company is a cock-sucker like Mitt Romney he would move the company to save a few bucks instead of modernize of course. But the truth is that an investment in modernization to reduce pollution pays off in many different ways in the long term. The Canadian and the US Governments know this and already offer financial incentives to do this : http://www.perkinscoie.com/governmen...ns-09-08-2008/



Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19808321)
You know that Arnold Schwarzenegger gave the BAY Bridge project to China? We built them a factory so they could build it, we trained them to weld, yet when after a short time from putting the thing in place, they had to close it for structural repairs!

Thats right! Arnold Schwarzenegger, the republican you voted for, sold you out.

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19808321)
Obama will want to give more money to battery powered cars that only the rich can afford

So wrong, Vendzilla, so wrong.

Obama never gave money to any electric car company. The US Department of Energy LOANED $451.8 Million dollars to Tesla in California (An American Company, that employes American workers by the way). Tesla paid-back this loan 9 Years EARLY. Electric and other pollution reduction technologies can be a good investment.

Stop throwing up your hands, man... just dig a little to see whats under the surface and read some facts...

Cheers.

Vendzilla 09-22-2013 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 19808333)
What changed is the creation of the EPA in 1970 - the only good thing that Nixon ever did. When the EPA was created strict laws on pollution were quickly put into place. In 1990 alone the EPA prevented 205 premature deaths, 672,000 cases of chronic bronchitis, 843,000 cases of asthma attacks, 18 Million cases of child respirator illnesses and a shitload more.

And just in Los Angeles alone, Smog Producing Compounds are down 98% since the 1960's. http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In...A.-air-quality

The EPA was something that was and still is needed, California goes beyond the EPA

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How to Learn Trigonometry in 9 steps (with pictures) http://www.wikihow.com/Learn-Trigonometry. But what this has to do with why republicans want to stop you from learning science I have no idea.
I was asked if I knew any math, I have always excelled in Math

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All states should follow California.
Only on somethings


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The Volkswagon caddy pickup truck 1.6 Litre engine gets only 34.1 Miles Per gallon, not 50.
I don't know where you got your info, but that's wrong. On the highway, you could get above 50,
http://www.mpgomatic.com/45_MPG_Pickup_Truck.html
Rated at 45 mpg, getting above 50 was pretty easy
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If the government gets involved and says more hybrid or electric cars are required, it is because they have done their research. And in order to boost the sales, they will offer cash incentives and or tax credits to people to buy them the way they do now here in Canada and other places. Here in Quebec, the government pays you $8000 to buy an all electric car. They don't force you to buy one - they just make it damn inviting.
They do the same here, but the only hybrids we got from the money that Obama pumped into it was cars over 40k. Living in California, you would think you would see lots of electric cars, I don't see them very often

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Yes that is a terrible and tragic number for sure, but consider the tens of millions of birds lost to global warming, logging, and the constant ongoing oil disasters. We're talking entire species of birds here. Hopefully someone will figure out a way to reduce the bird deaths caused by wind farms.
I have only seen responsible logging here in California

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So much wrong with this. "They" (the government) will not "make" anyone move to China. If the owner of the company is a cock-sucker like Mitt Romney he would move the company to save a few bucks instead of modernize of course. But the truth is that an investment in modernization to reduce pollution pays off in many different ways in the long term. The Canadian and the US Governments know this and already offer financial incentives to do this : http://www.perkinscoie.com/governmen...ns-09-08-2008/
So you are saying that no companies moved to china?

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Thats right! Arnold Schwarzenegger, the republican you voted for, sold you out.
I'm sorry, have you seen me cheering on the GOP, I don't like them either
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So wrong, Vendzilla, so wrong.

Obama never gave money to any electric car company. The US Department of Energy LOANED $451.8 Million dollars to Tesla in California (An American Company, that employes American workers by the way). Tesla paid-back this loan 9 Years EARLY. Electric and other pollution reduction technologies can be a good investment.

Stop throwing up your hands, man... just dig a little to see whats under the surface and read some facts...

Cheers.
Dig a little deeper, I was talking about the Fisker, the company is from Finland. And they were going to build them in Finland

suesheboy 09-22-2013 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19808321)
Or they will want more wind farms, wanna know how many bald eagles were killed last year by those? More than 573,000 birds are killed by the country's wind farms each year, including 83,000 hunting birds such as hawks, falcons and eagles, according to an estimate published in March in the peer-reviewed Wildlife Society Bulletin. Obama gave them a pass on killing bald eagles.

Buildings kill far more birds than wind farms both in total numbers and by the square foot of existence.

You are the most least informed person with real facts on the board. (And yes, I meant the sentence structure to be that way).

Go back to the bar and tell your drinking friends your bullshit which may impress some of the more brain dead of the bunch.

Grapesoda 09-22-2013 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 19808094)

pretty sure it's a political issue... promote creationism, intelligent design, evolution? promote global warming which has been proven not to be happening... see what I mean? a real minefield for sure... best to walk away from it... you couldn't figure that out by yourself?

Grapesoda 09-22-2013 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19808590)

I was asked if I knew any math, I have always excelled in Math




hey I have some math question... pls email me: 123 at 456 dot bz

Grapesoda 09-22-2013 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 19808333)



How to Learn Trigonometry in 9 steps (with pictures) http://www.wikihow.com/Learn-Trigonometry. But what this has to do with why republicans want to stop you from learning science I have no idea.

really? which science is the REAL question isn't it?

EonBlue 09-22-2013 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 19808167)
The reason the term global warming became popular, was because the "average" yearly temp of the earth is warming. If you know anything at all about math, (hope they taught math in your school) you will know that with averages there are always high and low numbers and the center is... You guessed it the average..

Well the average global tempture is in fact warming. Yes, some years it might be cooler allowing your favorite Fox News mouth piece to declare victory over science because they are awesome and all. Yet year after year the globe is getting warmer.

Actually average, or arithmetic mean, is not the center. That would be the median.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arithmetic_mean

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While the arithmetic mean is often used to report central tendencies, it is not a robust statistic, meaning that it is greatly influenced by outliers (values that are very much larger or smaller than most of the values). Notably, for skewed distributions, such as the distribution of income for which a few people's incomes are substantially greater than most people's, the arithmetic mean may not accord with one's notion of "middle", and robust statistics such as the median may be a better description of central tendency.
The notion of a reliable measure of "average" annual global temperature is ridiculous. It is purely agenda driven.

Sly 09-22-2013 10:01 AM

The Earth is flat.

Grapesoda 09-22-2013 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19808638)
The Earth is flat.

well if I was a liberal I would say your a scum sucking cunt and hate filled bigot as proof that the world in not flat .... remember character assassination is proof of everything.... think Galileo :thumbsup

Vendzilla 09-22-2013 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suesheboy (Post 19808600)
Buildings kill far more birds than wind farms both in total numbers and by the square foot of existence.

You are the most least informed person with real facts on the board. (And yes, I meant the sentence structure to be that way).

Go back to the bar and tell your drinking friends your bullshit which may impress some of the more brain dead of the bunch.

What a fucking retard

Did I say anything about buildings or what kills the most birds? NO

Step up to an IQ that can carry a conversation please!!!

Tom_PM 09-22-2013 11:01 AM

What the fuck? You said that wind farms kill birds. He said buildings kill more.

crockett 09-22-2013 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 19808653)
well if I was a liberal I would say your a scum sucking cunt and hate filled bigot as proof that the world in not flat .... remember character assassination is proof of everything.... think Galileo :thumbsup

It's funny you whine of character assassination when you use the term "liberal" as an attempt to assassinate ones character.

Vendzilla 09-22-2013 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom_PM (Post 19808681)
What the fuck? You said that wind farms kill birds. He said buildings kill more.

So he was comparing millions of buildings to a few hundred windmills, are you fucking serious?

How many buildings are in the US?
How many wind mills?

The study also excluded the deadliest place in the country for eagles, a cluster of wind farms in a northern California area known as Altamont Pass. Wind farms built there decades ago kill more than 60 per year.
http://news.yahoo.com/study-wind-far...160226373.html

Trying to compare buildings to windmills is the act of an idiot

Ever seen a bald eagle in the wild, I have, I've seen a condor too. right now the most dangerous place for them is in a windmill farm!

JockoHomo 09-22-2013 08:23 PM


SuckOnThis 09-22-2013 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19808670)
What a fucking retard

Did I say anything about buildings or what kills the most birds? NO

Step up to an IQ that can carry a conversation please!!!


http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Full_5c4212_469785.jpg

Phoenix 09-22-2013 08:41 PM

Everyone dances around issues. So odd

suesheboy 09-23-2013 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19809056)
How many buildings are in the US?
How many wind mills?

Buildings kill more birds per foot of airspace they use than windmills do. Power lines slightly less by the footage, but by way more in gross numbers.

In other words if you have a windmill the same size a a building, over time the building would kill more birds.

BTW, how many birds (and people) are killed because of dirty power and climate change?

Have you been on a site survey with US Fish and Wildlife, the DOI and the National Audubon Society? I have. Have you handled and banded any birds of prey? I have.

marcop 09-23-2013 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JockoHomo (Post 19809127)

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

sperbonzo 09-23-2013 10:41 AM

MEANWHILE....... IN CANADA....

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/22/op...sts.html?_r=1&



Silencing Scientists

By VERLYN KLINKENBORG

Published: September 21, 2013

Over the last few years, the government of Canada ? led by Stephen Harper ? has made it harder and harder for publicly financed scientists to communicate with the public and with other scientists.

It began badly enough in 2008 when scientists working for Environment Canada, the federal agency, were told to refer all queries to departmental communications officers. Now the government is doing all it can to monitor and restrict the flow of scientific information, especially concerning research into climate change, fisheries and anything to do with the Alberta tar sands ? source of the diluted bitumen that would flow through the controversial Keystone XL pipeline. Journalists find themselves unable to reach government scientists; the scientists themselves have organized public protests.

There was trouble of this kind here in the George W. Bush years, when scientists were asked to toe the party line on climate policy and endangered species. But nothing came close to what is being done in Canada.

Science is the gathering of hypotheses and the endless testing of them. It involves checking and double-checking, self-criticism and a willingness to overturn even fundamental assumptions if they prove to be wrong. But none of this can happen without open communication among scientists. This is more than an attack on academic freedom. It is an attempt to guarantee public ignorance.

It is also designed to make sure that nothing gets in the way of the northern resource rush ? the feverish effort to mine the earth and the ocean with little regard for environmental consequences. The Harper policy seems designed to make sure that the tar sands project proceeds quietly, with no surprises, no bad news, no alarms from government scientists. To all the other kinds of pollution the tar sands will yield, we must now add another: the degradation of vital streams of research and information. "




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Robbie 09-23-2013 10:46 AM

I'd like to get in on the "buildings kill birds" argument:

I WISH it killed fucking PIGEONS instead of giving them a place to roost and shit all over the place.. lol

adendreams 09-23-2013 10:57 AM

Baby Republicans are so cute!


Grapesoda 09-23-2013 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 19808682)
It's funny you whine of character assassination when you use the term "liberal" as an attempt to assassinate ones character.

I didn't assign these assassinations to any person like you would have .. because I've seen you do it :thumbsup (you did just call me a whiner :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh) you guys are so fucked up it's amazing, and this time I'm specifically saying you're fucked up just in case you didn't get it ... and not because I disagree with your ideological stance but because you're a fucktard :thumbsup

Sarah_Jayne 09-23-2013 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 19809671)
MEANWHILE....... IN CANADA....

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/22/op...sts.html?_r=1&



Silencing Scientists

By VERLYN KLINKENBORG

Published: September 21, 2013

Over the last few years, the government of Canada ? led by Stephen Harper ? has made it harder and harder for publicly financed scientists to communicate with the public and with other scientists.

It began badly enough in 2008 when scientists working for Environment Canada, the federal agency, were told to refer all queries to departmental communications officers. Now the government is doing all it can to monitor and restrict the flow of scientific information, especially concerning research into climate change, fisheries and anything to do with the Alberta tar sands ? source of the diluted bitumen that would flow through the controversial Keystone XL pipeline. Journalists find themselves unable to reach government scientists; the scientists themselves have organized public protests.

There was trouble of this kind here in the George W. Bush years, when scientists were asked to toe the party line on climate policy and endangered species. But nothing came close to what is being done in Canada.

Science is the gathering of hypotheses and the endless testing of them. It involves checking and double-checking, self-criticism and a willingness to overturn even fundamental assumptions if they prove to be wrong. But none of this can happen without open communication among scientists. This is more than an attack on academic freedom. It is an attempt to guarantee public ignorance.

It is also designed to make sure that nothing gets in the way of the northern resource rush ? the feverish effort to mine the earth and the ocean with little regard for environmental consequences. The Harper policy seems designed to make sure that the tar sands project proceeds quietly, with no surprises, no bad news, no alarms from government scientists. To all the other kinds of pollution the tar sands will yield, we must now add another: the degradation of vital streams of research and information. "




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Two stupids don't make an intelligent.

Dead 09-23-2013 05:53 PM

And still no one can punch the other poster, we have not evolved....

Vendzilla 09-23-2013 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suesheboy (Post 19809605)
Buildings kill more birds per foot of airspace they use than windmills do. Power lines slightly less by the footage, but by way more in gross numbers.

In other words if you have a windmill the same size a a building, over time the building would kill more birds.

BTW, how many birds (and people) are killed because of dirty power and climate change?

Have you been on a site survey with US Fish and Wildlife, the DOI and the National Audubon Society? I have. Have you handled and banded any birds of prey? I have.

So you are hanging on to this you're an idiot thing, ok

Quit being a moron, I never said anything but that wind farms kill a lot of birds, do you deny that that?

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19809672)
I'd like to get in on the "buildings kill birds" argument:

I WISH it killed fucking PIGEONS instead of giving them a place to roost and shit all over the place.. lol

Downtown Los Angeles has used Hawks for years. They will nest in the roofs of the highest buildings.

Vendzilla 09-23-2013 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ThunderBalls (Post 19808323)
Does California have any type of law whereas you can have another person legally declared to retarded to vote?

Just wondering.

Why, thinking of moving here and avoiding the embarrassment?


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