Disgusting attempt to buy your opinion on Obamacare. (VIDEO)
 

You going to take the bait and "opt out"?

Are you saying that when Government takes control of healthcare, they won't have more access to your medical records?

I'm not against Obamacare because some special interest group or some silly video persuaded me. It's because Obamacare is immoral as it's a threat of force against a person's property (taxation in the form of fines come April 14th). I don't believe in the use of force to solve problems. If you do, then I'm sorry you're a bully.

If you aren't Anti-ObamaCare, you didn't read it.

Congrats your brain has been washed nice and sparkling clean, it's all shiny and new!

You have been duped by the fringe right and the big health insurance co's into regurgitating the "talking points" that they spoon fed you at a cost of many billions of dollars. Your view is spot on identical to the right wing corporate agenda and yet you claim you weren't "persuaded" by their bogus tactics.

Amazing that you don't know this but no - the government will have no more knowledge about your health condition than they do now - these are health insurance exchanges with privately run independent health ins companies, your records are in exactly the same places as they would be if you got health insurance any other way.

Sorry to burst your far right conspiracy mind bubble.

"You don't agree with me so obviously you are a moron that has been brainwashed."

Carry on…

I don't agree with you and what you say!

Don't forget "sheeple", you can't be a condescending know it all douchebag without using the word "sheeple"...

That's what the aliens want you to say. You're such a sheeple.

Your post could have been made even cooler by accusing him of being brainwashed by "Faux News."

OK Done. You don't make up the phrase "Government takes control of healthcare" on your own. Especially when it is 100 percent false.

"Government takeover of healthcare" is a buzz phrase that is spewed out over and over and over on Fox News and pretty much only on Fox. During the battled to get the Affordable Care Act passed Fox News would use this phrase dozens of times per hour. And they were paid incredible sums by the health insurance industry to do so. It's pure bullshit conspiracy that is intended to misinform and produce the exact result that Galleryseek is helping them achieve.

Galleryseek is repeating the exact verbiage used by Fox and Rush and Hanitty and other crazies to the right of them, but Fox is just training wheels for Libertarians and too light weight for Anarchists...but their radically skewed ideologies are aligned on many subjects.

Let them take as much rope as they want would be my advice.

Anarcho-capitalism is not left or right. There's no need to attack him because he wants to protect his property (he doesn't care about your property, unlike left or right parties).

Check Anarchist Theory FAQ by Bryan Caplan.

I'm extremely well versed so my opposition to this viewpoint isn't without extensive research and study about Libertarianism (Anarcho-capitalism is just a little less organized and further right variant.)

Does it bother you that this movement is nearly all white?

I'm white, I like white people too - but an ideology that would only help those who own property and are self sufficient and would basically FUCK all minorities and anyone who goes to a public school or depends on gov assistance or enjoys gov funded infrastructure (I could go on and on) isn't just a fantasy that will never happen...it's just plain kookoo.

First, there are two factions of Libertarianism . There's the bullshit libertarian political movement, and then there's the purest form of libertarianism which is based on the libertarian philosophy of the Non-aggression principle. Anarcho-capitalism and the libertarian philosophy go hand in hand.

Race baiting much?

You do realize that the main cause of poverty is the state, right? If not, I'll illustrate it for you..

(1) The drug war results in a large # of non-violent individuals behind bars, many black fathers. This results in broken, single families. A major step towards combating poverty = ending the drug war (which you can thank the state for).

(2) Minimum wage laws. Instead of letting the market dictate pricing, government artificially sets a baseline from which all employers must comply. This results in (a) fewer job opportunities (bad for the poor), (b) inflation (bad for the poor), (c) layoffs (bad for the poor). The poor are most negatively affected with the minimum wage laws.

(3) Welfare. Welfare is abused so much to the point at which an entire culture perpetually survives on it, where families usher in future generations of individuals who'd rather collect checks living close to poverty rather than work.

(4) Taxation. Federal, state, sales, license, etc.. taxes. It equals to around 50% of your income. What would you do with 50% more money? Maybe you'd start a business and hire people (good for those in poverty), maybe you'd be more charitable (good for those in poverty)

Ridiculous stuff in here now. The minimum wage should be raised and thereby would lift tens of thousands or more OUT of poverty and off of welfare, saving you, I and them money.

When GM was the largest employer in the country, they were paying an hourly rate which in today's money would be above $50 an hour. Today, Walmart is the largest employer in the country and their average hourly pay rate is $8.60. Which means you and me and their families, (ie: the government) subsidizes nearly every aspect of their life, AND they can't afford to spend a penny on the consumer products that, if they could afford them, would raise the entire economy.

But just carry on since GFY is not a place of learning.

Really now? At exactly what arbitrary number should it be raised to? $15 an hour? $25 an hour? $50? Why not $100?

And if the minimum wage has been so effective in combating poverty, why hasn't it worked?

You want to know why so many "jobs left the country"? Look at your beloved little minimum wage laws as one of the primary factors.

What's disgusting and immoral is a third party bully (government) getting in the way and threatening force against two individuals acting in a voluntary and peaceful manner. "I'll hire you for $7.00 to help you get off your feet and have some experience. Sure! That sounds great!" - Big government bully, nope, that's no good!

They weren't forced to, big difference. Also, how did that fare for them?


That's unfortunate and should change. My money shouldn't be stolen from me to help others. I'll help out voluntarily.

You're ignoring the fact that once the minimum wage is increased, so do the cost of the products they buy. It's called inflation.

Apparently it's a place of a bunch of R's arguing with D's, like everywhere else, unfortunately.

Watch here what happens with the miminum wage law. It's a short animated film and it's easy to understand.

You are obviously a very intelligent dude (or woman). This fact stands in stark contrast to your "Race Baiting" comment...

Is that the official talking point of your movement - to call out those who draw attention to the fact that its an all white (uppermiddle to upper class) movement - you guys use the Race Bait line to silence that critique? I'm amazed.

I as a Progressive align with you on several subjects - war on drugs, no foreign military intervention...etc... However your movement aligns nearly identically with the vast majority of views of the Fox News crowd - with distinct differences in a few areas such as drugs and war.

You say this movement isn't right or left - I say bullshit to that - make no mistake Libertarianism is VERY right wing...it's so far right that you guys start to agree with with us in a scant few areas but a pig is still a pig.

If you attended a gathering of say...2000 Libertarians...in any state ..how many black people would you guess would be in attendance? 200? 100?.....50?

My guess is 3 and that's being generous.

galleryseek,Nice to see someone that feels the same way I do.
:)

Race baiting was an incorrect term to use. In my proceeding comments, I addressed several of the issues that do negatively affect the black community. It's just that our philosophies differ in how and why the blacks are negatively affected. I say it's government and bullshit laws to blame.

Did you know that historically speaking, government has grown more under Republican control? And that wars continue to persist under the idea that Democrats are for peace?

It's why Republicans & media at large overwhelmingly shunned Ron Paul. His type of philosophy is a direct threat to the state. Fortunately for Republicans, his son Rand Paul is much more of a Republican. Ron Paul stated his actual goal was that of stateless societies; anarchism.

I try to stay out of the whole R vs. D and vice versa. They're a left and right wing, attached to the same body which will continue on the same pro-government trajectory regardless of which wing is up or down.

Why is this? Maybe it's because within the black community, propaganda is so strong that they can't see the truth. Maybe it's because they put too much faith and belief in the things that "black leaders" like Sharpton and Jackson say (worshipers of Democrats)?

If you honestly think it's because the black community as a whole has analyzed the libertarian or anarchist philosophy, then you're naive man.

I dont get this ad. Who would this appeal too? Brainless idiots

I want to make another important point here.

The movement really is not left or right, the one I'm a part of at least.

(a) I don't advocate for political solutions. So that right there pulls me entirely off the spectrum you're trying to place me on.

(b) First I was a republican because my parents were. Then I became a small-government, strict constitutional minarchist (a political libertarian). But then I stumbled upon a video from Stefan Molyneux that made a lot of sense, which was the final nail in the coffin to my belief in any amount of statism.

And that is this... In 1776, we conceived the smallest government experiment ever. Because of this, prosperity was abound due to very free and open markets. But because society had placed an emphasis on a small group of individuals with the ability to rule, those individuals eventually used that prosperity to grow, grow, and grow. To the point at which the US government has become the most fierce, and invasive monster than ever.

Smallest governments become the largest governments. And that's because those in positions of emmense power, are (a) corruptible and (b) chemically addicted to power and want more of it. When one exercises power over another, dopamine gets released in the brain, which is a substance that's been found to be just as addicting than cocaine (if not more so). It's why cops are power hungry assholes, and politicians are corrupt pieces of lobbied-out shit.

With that idea, I certainly do not align my beliefs with republicans who chime on about "small governments!" anymore.

You are delusional.

This is the essence of the conversation - WHY is the Black Libertarian nearly extinct....they are so rare that they are celebrated and given interviews for just being black.

Read and watch all the info you can on the subject of why so few (basically none) minorities self identify as Libertarians. It's shocking the excuse Libertarians seem to come around to: Black people arent smart enough to understand it.

You used the terms "analyzed" and "philosophy" for your reason - seems to come up a lot when White Libertarians describe their race problem..I have also heard this "It's an intellectual philosophy" from some popular White Libertarians as the REASON Blacks don't get it.

Bullshit.

My surgeon is black, and wealthy..You guys claim he's too dumb to understand your petty "Keep your hands off my shit" philosophy?

There is only one reason Libertarians can't recruit African Americans and it's real real simple:

The Libertarian Ideology works DIRECTLY AGAINST the interests of minorities.

COOL IDEA! Lets close all the public schools, cancel welfare, end food stamps, end health care assistance, end Federal loans and grants for students, end Federal infrastructure spending, end housing assistance...on and on and on... A black klansman makes about as much sense.

Libertarianism, even it's mildest form, is an all out aggression on minorities without really being a racist movement. The only difference between you guys and White Supremacists is that you guys are wealthier and more educated than the skinhead crowd...you guys aren't as directly fueled by racism as them but the net effect of your ideology is all out race war.

Your movement is an intellectual Pro-White war...where as the White Power guys are motivated by emotion and rage. You guys mean well, I really believe that.

It must be a little frustrating to be into a political ideology that will never, ever, gain any traction in our lifetime...It's great fun to fantasize about this utopian state where it's all free will and commerce...only one problem - there are black people here...we brought them as slaves...they had kids. Game over.



BTW that youtube video you posted is absolutely BRILLIANT....in it's slick attempt to coerce people to believe the inverse of reality.

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Douche bag, talk to a doctor before you claim to know ANYTHING about obamacare.
An idiot pretending he understands something on a chat board is still just an idiot.

Which industry scumbag is behind this?

That ad is aimed at young people, because getting them on the conservative side of this issue will help fight Obamacare. I doubt anybody with half a brain would be swayed by that creepy bullshit. Hopefully the Koch brothers(the money guys behind that ad) will die soon. They only have a few years left on earth if we're lucky.

When I ask any conservative in my family if they know who the Koch brothers are, they say they don't know. That's because they're too busy listening to their propaganda, with no idea its funded by two billionaire douche bags who want to control the country.

You do realize that private insurance isn't going anywhere, right? The only real change they will have to get used to is spending all but 15% to 20% of their premium revenues on actually delivering health care. Considering they don't share your medical records now, why do you feel they will in the future?

HAHAHA

12 Clicks should change his GFY nick to 1 Click

1 click and you just joined 12 sites :thumbsup

Never once said that.

People are products of their environment. It just so happens that the black community, at large, is one that currently benefits directly from the hands of the state. Of course they're going to lean left. When you're on the receiving end of "free" goods, I imagine it's hard not to vote in opposition, yes?

I know of white doctors too, and they're not libertarians for the same reason black doctors aren't libertarians either; they're preoccupied with their career to take the necessary time required to filter through all of the government/media/conditioning bullshit. You literally have to go through a self-awakening transformation to see the matrix in which you live.

It's not just minorities, it's any group that continues to live by the expropriated property of others. And to that I say, tough.

Schools: awesome. Close them. They're government indoctrination centers that aren't focused on education, but rather creating a culture of obedient workers. Obedient workers who produce as much as possible, so they can be taxed as much as possible, so that the ruling classes can profit as much as possible.

Welfare: awesome. Stop it. Rely on your family, your community, and charity until you can get your feet wet. Solving tough times by stealing from others is a poor, immoral solution.

Food stamps: See above point.

Healthcare assistance: See above point.

..on and on and on with your other points.

But what you're failing to realize, is that the government itself creates the environment in which we see a need for these programs. Get rid of government, and no longer will people be so poor and imprisoned. And that's inclusive of any collective.

This is not about race, religion, or anything else. It's about respect for personal property, including self-ownership and non-aggression. And it can only be to the benefit of every collective, not just whites. Again, government is the biggest culprit one can blame for the current position of minorities.

That sounds really, really fucking racist bro. "Only one problem, there are black people here." ROFL. As if black people are less capable than whites?

And you know what's Utopian? This myth that we can delegate a few special fairy-winged creatures that will descend from the heavens, call politicians, give them special powers that we don't even believe in ourselves, such as the power to rule over others, to initiate force, to kidnap, to start wars.. Then write down on a piece of paper called the constitutions, a list of things they are not to do.. and then expect them to follow the rules.

That's worked out well for us as a species, hasn't it? Only 600,000,000 dead in the last 100 years directly from their existence.

You should learn your terms before you use them.

co·erce
kōˈərs/Submit
verb
1.
persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats.
"they were coerced into silence"

Willing to bet you haven't actually read the law.

Go ahead though: http://www.hhs.gov/healthcare/rights/law/index.html

Ah, one of those.

That paradise you describe already exists. Why aren't you there?

http://i.imgur.com/EKBcjJI.jpg

^-Oh the good ol', "WHY DON'T YOU MOVE TO SOMALIA" remark. It's not like I haven't heard that one 2,000 times at huffingpost.

It's a good argument, except when you consider Somalia has warlords who accept aid from other countries.

And it's a good argument, except when you consider why I should even have to leave in the first place.

To equate anarchism with chaos is to be ignorant of the definition and to be just another brainwashed American sheople.

If you like state so much, why don't you move to North Korea? :D

rofl its 12clicks!

You said all the cool kid stuff but you didn't spell it the cool kid way. :(

:2 cents::thumbsup

I already read it. Thanks though.

yep min wage with inflation would be like $12 an hour, based on productivity close to $20 an hr. But wages are flat but we have more billionaires than ever before.

its because they knows its going to work thats why they are trying so hard to kill it. I love the GOV in charge of your health care like people have say now. You get sick the insurance company approves or disapproves treatment they control your treatment. Unless you got a cold your doctor hasnt controlled it for a long time.

43.7% for me :thumbsup

This is direct from the Fox News playbook and basically word for word a Mitt Romney quote.

This quote is nearly verbatim what cost Romney the election - it's the 47 percent speech in a nut shell.

So you are making your case by using the exact words that were universally called disastrous for Romney and one of the greatest political fuck-ups in US history.

But you said it different - by making it an accusation against Blacks it reeks of pure unadulterated racism.

40 posts later and still true!

Nostradamus, signing off.

Aha! I see what you did there! The member of the all white Libertarian Party (which is nearly identical to the White Nationalist Movement) just turned it around on me!

Damn you got me!




Well this looks like the end. You started out as a rationale debater for your cause but with this shit you veered off into crazy land - just pure bat shit.

To anyone reading that I think you just lost all credibility.

Check please

Actually, even worse then that... the Somalia situation actually came about as the result of a failed COMMUNIST government, NOT the setting up of a libertarian min-archist government.



.:2 cents:


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So commies are evil and they missed their opportunity to establish a utopian Libertarian fantasy land!

oh oops - they did set up a Libertarian free for all - this is what it looks like.

You forgot to count sales, use, gasoline, property, and a whole host of other hidden taxes, you work, therefore you pay more than 50%

On the pile of shit law Obama Care,

Requiring people that cannot afford insurance to buy insurance or face a fine does not fix the problem of being unable to afford insurance.

Punishing employers by adding a penalty on them for providing good benefits (Cadillac Plans, for a buzzword) will only result in companies reducing the provided insurance plans, read : shittier insurance.

Being self employed and buying my own insurance right now I am looking at a likely 22% premium increase on a more restrictive plan.

As noble as the idea that everyone is entailed to healthcare is, the Insurance Company Protection Act known as Obama Care does not come anywhere near that noble goal.

Look at that, emotions over-riding any meaningful response. This type of tactic in debate is weak as hell. You and I aren't going to agree that it's immoral to steal from others under the guise of social contract theory, but I can at least shed some light on how and why public education exists:



It's 8 minutes, but if it's TLDR; American education was derived from Prussia, which developed the institution of School to help indoctrinate the masses in order to solve a problem within their society: Individuals who wouldn't sacrifice their lives for the needs of the state.

The best example of how this state-based indoctrination derived via School can be so dangerous is the people of Germany during the rise of Hitler, and their willingness go along with his insanely invasive, divisive nationalistic tone.

But hey, this information is too new for you, too unfamiliar and it will activate that fight or flight instinct because it conflicts with your worldview. So I won't be surprised when you respond to this with some more meaningless fluff such as "You're batshit crazy!" instead of actually refuting any points.