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Redrob 09-22-2013 10:13 PM

The Letter Mike South refused to publish from Christian Mann of Evil Angel
 
From TRPWL, the letter Mike South refused to print:

Quote:

Dear Mike:

Up until this moment, I have made it a policy to not respond or react to your blog postings because they are so frequently filled with rhetoric that is laced with personal attacks rather than constructive criticism. It?s clear that your anti-FSC bias is so powerful that you look for every opportunity to find fault, even in those cases when it requires a stretch of logic that is comical. Additionally, you frequently post opinions and accusations as if they were factual in a manner that blurs the line between opinion-based editorial and fact based reporting. Since you?ve ?called me out?, but never actually called or e-mailed me to corroborate or rebut the many articles you post about me or my work at FSC, I simply concluded that facts must take a back seat to your agenda. As such, it never made sense to engage or acknowledge, even when I know that so many of your assertions have been 100% wrong.

I?m breaking with tradition today because I?m concerned that you?re giving talent some dangerous advice regarding testing. I hope you will put aside your feelings about the Free Speech Coalition and Diane Duke just long enough to consider some of the facts that I?m stating?

First, the Free Speech Coalition does not own CET. In fact, PASS accepts data from CET and TTS as well as several other testing facilities that have signed on and agreed to our protocols. It is true that TTS and PASS have had some disagreements in the past, and may have some issues yet to be resolved, however I?m proud of the effort I personally expended to bring TTS on board as a fully accredited PASS provider. I don?t have a preference at all as to performers using TTS or CET since they both provide data to PASS. My umbrage is with your remark that talent should refuse to use PASS at all. Given that several studios have mandated that test authentication must include verification of availability from the PASS system, and given that the PASS console is not subject to the danger of altered reports being used by talent ? a danger that exists when performers rely on each other without the safeguard offered by PASS verification, your advice becomes a disservice to the performers. By the way, I recently had lunch with Sixto who told me in no uncertain terms that PASS is an important tool that must continue to exist.

Second, the Free Speech Coalition makes exactly zero dollars from PASS, CET, testing, etc. The reality is that FSC spends money to staff, program and maintain the PASS data base. Unlike AIM, which was funded by monthly fees from studios as well as testing fees, The Free Speech Coalition has never solicited one cent from talent, receives no kickback or benefit from testing facilities nor has it used PASS as a fund raising vehicle for FSC. It created PASS in the vacuum left by AHF?s successful vanquishing of AIM and in the course of stepping up at a time the industry needed us, created a very good model that has found a way to be devoid of the weaknesses that eventually shuttered AIM. Is it perfect? No. Can it be improved? Yes. Are we open to suggestions and input from all sectors of the industry, the legal community and the medical community? You bet. Do we recognize that even while PASS is a data base resource and not a medical enterprise, that it must eventually become independent of the Free Speech Coalition? Yes.

Last, if you want to be taken seriously by me (and I don?t presume that you do), I would implore you to address facts and avoid hyperbole such as your preposterous statement: ??Diane Duke would rather lie to you than tell you the truth, she would rather see you die a horrible death than lose twenty dollars in ?donations? to the FSC.? Even with your stated disdain for Ms. Duke, I can?t believe you truly believe this to be true.

In summation, I have devoted a lot of time and effort as the FSC Board Member chairing the PASS initiative. I have received no recompense and I have no ulterior motive other than to be of service to my industry. The scores of performers and agents who have encountered me over the last thirty years would likely vouch for my integrity and genuine care for them as people and as a vital component of the business. I?ve never viewed the performers in an ?us and them? paradigm. A simple collective ?us? has always been my approach. Without our performers, I would have had no job for thirty-plus years. I?ve never forgotten that. Suggestions to the contrary, even in the 2013 social media, conflict driven hate-sphere, are hurtful. Don?t worry. I have thick skin. I?ve faced other significant challenges beside the ones I?m facing at FSC. I have faith that it?s yet possible for our industry, terribly divided at the moment, to return to one that is united and resolve disagreements using civil discourse, a little humility and some willingness to put aside our differences in the interest of the greater good.

Mr. South, you and I can agree to disagree on a number of issues. If you were to put aside the politics of personal attacks and were willing to reach out and check a fact in the interest of getting to the truth, regardless of how it changes the story, I would champion your efforts. Until such time, my only request is that if you post this letter, you post it in its entirety.

Sincerely,

Christian S. Mann

Evil Angel Video

14141 Covello Street Unit 8-C

Van Nuys, CA 91405


Arnox 09-22-2013 10:20 PM

This whole affair is taking up so much GFY space. :(

~Ray 09-22-2013 10:43 PM

long and factual read

epitome 09-23-2013 02:59 AM

Should be careful tossing around the term "fully accredited."

Last I checked, it is not accredited by the Joint Commission or any other recognized accredited certification body.

I'd be surprised if FSC knows the first thing about ISO/IEC 17011.

MasterBlow 09-23-2013 06:20 AM

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Grapesoda 09-23-2013 06:27 AM

interesting letter

mineistaken 09-23-2013 07:17 AM

cliff notes

Barefootsies 09-23-2013 07:23 AM

What's your dog in this fight?

:helpme

CaptainHowdy 09-23-2013 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MasterBlow (Post 19809387)

Nothing says sorry better than that ...

96ukssob 09-23-2013 07:59 AM

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mikesouth 09-23-2013 08:52 AM

Like I said i wouldnt sell them an ad why would I run one full of the same lies they have told for years and years

so here is red rob back pimping again wanna comment on thise while you are here red rob you sell out

http://www.mikesouth.com/wp/wp-conte...13/09/duke.png

mikesouth 09-23-2013 08:59 AM

LOL guess who else wouldnt run Christian Manns letter...AVN and XBiz If he wants an ad I guess he has to buy it like everyone else

Alex1776 09-23-2013 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 19809531)
Like I said i wouldnt sell them an ad why would I run one full of the same lies they have told for years and years

Which parts of the letter specifically are lies Mike?

Tofu 09-23-2013 09:01 AM

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mikesouth 09-23-2013 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex1776 (Post 19809540)
Which parts of the letter specifically are lies Mike?

Honestly just about every paragraph...one example the FSC doesnt own CET mabe not on paper but they dictate policy so they own them

another that FSC makes no money from testing we KNOW thats bullshit.

No way im gonne give this pandering kiss ass what amounts to afree ad when he coudl pay me 10x my ad rate to run that and I would STILL reject it.

Red Rob is just as bad...remember his last post when I exposed horrible activity by Diane and FSC red Rob said he had to check things out and get back to me LOL

It doesnt matter who Im writing about....when its the FSC those lapdogs bark....when its Manwin their lapdogs bark no worries I aint changing nuthin...

Why 09-23-2013 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex1776 (Post 19809540)
Which parts of the letter specifically are lies Mike?

i too would like to know.

lets stop the innuendo and get into it.... who is lying and about what? bulleted list, no more then two sentences per item(we know you like to type)

ready? go!

Nurgle 09-23-2013 10:22 AM

it would be nice if Mike got back to posting facts other than some of the rubbish that appears to be up lately.. used to be a good read.. now.. its appears to be just guessing and opinions and hearsay

Redrob 09-23-2013 07:22 PM

Mike, you seem to be in control and I am hesitant to add to the conversation without first hand knowledge of the topic of discussion.

Supz 09-23-2013 08:40 PM

I think you are all retarded.

whOaKemosabe 09-23-2013 09:22 PM

like you

NinjaSteve 09-24-2013 02:06 AM

That's a long ass letter with big words like "disservice" and "champion" so you know it means business.


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