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You FOR or AGAINST unions?
I heard Robbie and others saying we should get unions out of they way.
For me I say keep em. Yes a lot of new hiring would happen with cheap labor but then we would just slip that slope and in 50 years end up having a slave labor class like the iPhone camps in China. :2 cents: |
How do you account for the millions of nonunion jobs that are not iPhoneesque sweatshops?
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Not sure what you mean but if you're saying there are a lot of shit nonunion jobs...at shit pay... and shitty conditions here in the US then I agree. So should we make more of those shit jobs? Or less? |
Unions are idiotic.
I was in a union when I worked at the phone company, and all the union did was protect the idiots. The union negotiates guidelines, policies, and rules that benefit the employees, which in concept is a great idea but in reality it ensures the workforce does the bare minimum and never anything more. It was stunning to see employees who had worked for the company for twenty years in an entry level position and never even tried to move up the ladder. |
The only time I eat onions is when they are fried with a hot dog and mustard.
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The middle class is idiotic. Same statement (virtually) since the unions built the middle class. |
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100 years ago they made sense before there was many of the laws that protect workers today. Now all unions do is protect dumbasses and make others carry their weight and give undeserving power to the leaders. No thanks.
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Staunchly opposed to unions. :boid
Union greed has literally decimated the manufacturing industry in our Niagara region in the past two decades. |
I can't help but to think that Americas most prosperous years where when unions were at their strongest.
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It used to be that everyone in the supply chain prospered. |
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The majority of the companies simply couldn't remain viable and competitive while paying $40-60/hr. plus medical benefits and pension plans. Our John Deere plant closed down a few years ago and relocated operations to Wisconsin (and yes, Mexico). Many other companies centralized their operations south of the border in the U.S. We've lost Henniges Automotive (consolidation south of the border), Atlas Steel (bankrupt), Stelco (bought out by U.S. Steel and subsequently broken up and sold off), Union Carbide (UCAR), United Steel, Plymouth Cordage, three drop forge plants...and almost all our textile mills. |
Toyota opened a factory just outside Lexington, Ky. it's non-union pays very well and turns out a great product. Non union workforce was their main reason for choosing this location.
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against them!
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Many dumb people are in unions and make big money.
Many dumb union people still pay for porn. Less union jobs, less porn profits.:2 cents: |
I have been in multiple unions, but the biggest was when I worked in telco.
I was a member initially, a steward for a couple of years, and later became management. I can tell you that unions have their place and there should honestly be more of them if you're "pro-worker" and middle class. That being said, they suffer from the same problems that corporate/management suffer from in regards to bureaucracy and the stereotypes. Some of which are greed and power hungry players who are about "mine, mine, all mine". You have abuse on BOTH sides of the aisle. If it were not for unions, you would not have had the great American middle class talked about in history of the past century. :2 cents: |
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Iwas ina union for 18 years and left for a smaller non union position .The benefits were almost the same.The union saved my ass with Compo.It would have cost me thousands to fight them.Unions are great protecting workers rights.I'm grateful to mine.
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I'd rather have unions than slave labor camps. When I worked at Cal the only thing preventing the Regents from anally gang raping the staff was the union. Grateful to them.
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Unions were started with good intentions, because not every boss is a saint. But they're an out of control extortion ring now.
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Today we have OSHA,EEOC,EPA to keep an eye out for workers rights. Factor in the big buildings the unions own. The amount of overhead they have and the huge amounts of cash they have to toss around during elections, I'd say they milked their members long enough.
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Without unions, we wouldn't have weekends.
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In most cases I think they don't really help much. My brother is in a union and he complains about always having shitty workers on his crew because of it. However, I have a few friends that are cops. If people decide to sue them the union steps in and helps them with legal council and will help them out if there are problems on the job.
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Unions can have their purpose but ask any grocery store worker how they like their minimum wage, no benefit job while still having to pay union dues.
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it's all about balance
but from what i hear, unions in the US a far too strong with sometimes absurd regulations |
I have been considering your question some ... Unions had a definite reason for being in the last century. The was a real exploitation of labor then. Today we have labor and work safety laws that prevent many of these same labor abuses is most cases. |
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Corporate profits are THROUGH THE ROOF...major corporations are breaking records every quarter...the middle class is disappearing a the poor are getting poorer...wage earners are not able to sustain their families on a single job.
The executives, share holders and board members are filthy rich and getting richer... What do they spend their money on: Lobbying to sway YOUR OPINION on UNIONS...looks like a bunch of you have taken the bait. |
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Yeah, we only have 2,700 models working every day on streaming cams, LMAO -- that was a rhetorical question ... |
Unions served their purpose; now there are laws that take care of the issues that made unions a good thing. They are useless now, especially for the good employee that is low in seniority.
I have to wonder how many of you pro-union people ever had a union job and how involved you were with your local. |
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Speaking for myself - my opinion is based on seeing the obvious around me. Empty factories and brownfields where the factories once stood...friends and neighbours who are now unemployed...and my property taxes going through the roof as the city attempts to recuperate lost industrial tax revenues. A corporate brainwashing campaign you say? Drop by sometime - I'll give you the personal tour. No corporate lobbying needed. |
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Funny. Now that you've retired... unions are bad. Why not turn back in that pension and benefits you most likely still get to enjoy compliments of your old telco union job. You do not work there any longer, and you're apparently so successful you no longer need them. Stop being a cake eater. :2 cents: |
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On the flip side of the coin one could say the revenue generated by the productivity of a worker feeds the executive class. An employer/employee relationship is a symbiotic one. |
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The wife of one of my friends was a junior high art teacher for 30 years. She retired with full benefits at age 52.. The lady she replaced is still alive and still getting benefits from that job and naturally there is another younger lady now teaching that class. So the state is paying 3 people for that one position.
Why should a union teacher be able to retire at 52 when the non-union workers have to wait until they are at least 62 for partial benefits. |
here is a very united workforce in this country. we had big government up until recently with the state owned enterprises, but now the chinese and south koreans are making moves on all of it. the unions don't like that... i'm pretty sure the unions here want to keep our assets new zealand owned when the chinese have their way i think we can expect some surprising changes.
power companies, train and truck companies, dotcom companies, farming companies... all government owned and run with the lifeblood of the employee within them then the unions. but the chinese are in town and are buying up, and they are willing to sell. |
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As far as biting the hand that fed me, again, go fuck yourself. You know nothing of my past; I was a fucking hero to some, saved the jobs of many. That does not mean that I don't think it was bullshit. You think a defense attorney wants every scumbag client on the streets? Same thing with unions. I know I was a lot more involved in mine that you ever were in yours. :2 cents: Quote:
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The network of unions are bad for feudalism.
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