Hitler lived until 1962? That's my story, claims Argentinian writer
 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ina-plagiarism

"The notorious claim that Hitler escaped his Berlin bunker to live incognito in Argentina first gained popular currency in 1945, when Stalin spoke of it. Since then the idea has resurfaced occasionally, with alleged photographic and documentary evidence pored over by conspiracy theorists. Now the theory that the German dictator followed his fellow Nazis Adolf Eichmann and Josef Mengele to South America is at the centre of a fresh row.

The authors of the 2011 book Grey Wolf: The Escape of Adolf Hitler, which was made into a documentary film earlier this year, have been accused of plagiarism by a journalist in Argentina. Abel Basti claims his research has been unfairly used to substantiate claims made in the book. Grey Wolf, published by Sterling Publishing, based in New York, challenged the accepted view that the Führer shot himself in his Berlin bunker on 30 April 1945 and that Eva Braun also committed suicide by taking cyanide. Arguing that American intelligence officials turned a blind eye to Hitler's escape in return for access to Nazi war technology, Gerrard Williams and Simon Dunstan set out the case for a scenario almost too horrible to contemplate: that the Führer and Eva Braun made a home in the foothills of the Andes and had two daughters.

Hitler, they claim, escaped punishment and lived out his life in tranquillity in Patagonia until his death in 1962 at the age of 73.

The publisher billed the book as the result "of five years of travelling and interviewing eyewitnesses and piecing together a mountain of evidence". Now Basti alleges that this is "a grossly misleading statement" and that Williams and Dunstan held on to evidence he had spent years putting together.

Williams, a British TV journalist who has worked for Reuters, the BBC and Sky News, and his co-author, Dunstan, firmly deny the claim.

"Basti did in no way invent the idea of Hitler being alive in Argentina," Williams told the Observer. "Books on the subject existed as far back as 1953 and 1987. I have never plagiarised anyone's work. Simon Dunstan, as the author of over 50 books on military history, hasn't either. We're both very aware of the law."

Williams travelled in 2007 to Argentina, where he acknowledges that he received help from Basti, along with other researchers and translators. Basti now claims that on seeing the book and hearing of the new film he realised that the work he had handed over to Williams for use on an earlier documentary film project had been plagiarised.

Basti says he signed a contract conferring all rights to his work to Williams's company in return for substantial payments to come. On this basis, he adds, he introduced Williams to two key witnesses in the case for Hitler's survival, a Jorge Colotto and Captain Manuel Monasterio.

Filming began in September 2008, but was cut short when financiers pulled out due to the worldwide financial crisis. Basti claims his contract was terminated and so asked for his research to be returned but says nothing was sent back.

Following publication of Grey Wolf, Basti says he was incensed to see that he had been quoted as regarding one photograph as proof of Hitler's survival. The book has also annoyed Ricardo D'Aloia, the editorial director of Ambito Financerio, the flagship newspaper of a group that had earlier published reports of Basti's research. D'Aloia is angered at the suggestion that he handed the authors video and potential evidence belonging to Basti.

Williams denies that he was introduced to key witnesses by Basti. He also denies D'Aloia's claims, which, he says, are "simply untrue". He adds that he "cannot see how quoting from taped interviews, thoroughly sourced to the company who made it implicitly clear that it was their material, is any sort of violation of copyright".

The claims about Hitler's life in exile in Argentina have been ridiculed by historian Guy Walters, who pronounced them "2,000% rubbish" when the book came out. "It's an absolute disgrace. There's no substance to it at all. It appeals to the deluded fantasies of conspiracy theorists and has no place whatsoever in historical research," he said.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ina-plagiarism

This confirms it. Not only are we the only species on the planet that twists facts into fantasy, the only one that has the propencity to wish something to be what it's not, but we are also the only ones who are stupid enough to find a reason to argue over it.

Truly amazing.

It is true. He was no fool and had PLENTY of time for his "plan b" escape.

The skull that was always thought to be his turned out to be a woman's skull. He was very likely pulled out just like his top scientist via Project Paperclip.

Ah then it's settled

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thanks

well good............. Finally:thumbsup

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden

we're all glad that you are above it all, oh mighty prophet.

All I know for sure is that they saved Hitler's cock.

Elvis is still alive today but not looking very well

anyone else read that article? its about a journalist plagiarizing another, has zero to do with whether it is true or there is actual evidence or not.

I wonder how long Bin Laden will live.

2099

:2 cents::thumbsup

Hitler died in his bunker. There were hundreds of witnesses in the bunker in the last few days, all of whom place Hilter at the bunker right up until the time of his death. Even if Hitler did decide to leave Berlin on the last moment, it would have been impossible - People did get out, but they didn't get far. The street outside of the bunker was turned into an airstrip during the final days, and Hitler's personal pilot did land there, but he left by air.... Where would he have gone?

The odds of Hilter leaving Berlin and getting to a Submarine and then across the Atlantic to South America undetected is pretty slim.

Right?

That struck me also. It was actually an interesting article, and I can see how it's possible that by using the letter of contract law, the original author got screwed.


Meanwhile, everyone is getting all caught up in the silly argument of whether the theory of the premise was correct or not....



Although, come to think of it, I guess it's more fun to argue about that, then to simply comment about an interesting contractual dispute.

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http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Hit...da0f_91735.jpg

Surprised that his hand drawn lizard man comic book didn't come up somewhere here. Wasn't he a reincarnated reptoid god / creature?