Models that want a share of the profits: How do you split it up?
 

Some model wants me to build her a website and we split the revenue. I have a cookie cutter adult site already in place, so I can whip out a site for a model in 30 minutes.

My photographer shoots all the content and arranges locations. I host the website, register the domain, admin, traffic, SEO. She stands in front of the camera.

I was going to tell her a 3 way split. With photographer getting 33%, me 33%, and the model 33%. The photographer does a lot of work for his 33%, so I'm ok with that but...

She says she wants 70%, while the photographer and I are supposed to get 15% each.

I'm going to tell her to fuck off, but before I do, I wanted to confirm with you guys.

Thoughts?

Tell her that's not how "Hollywood Accounting" works.

I'd make one attempt at explaining the amount of time, work and investment involved from your perspective and the photographer...relative to the time and effort she'd be required to put in.

If she can't comprehend what you explain to her - I'd send her packing (but in a nice, professional way).

Avoid telling her to fuck off. Don't burn potential business bridges just 'cuz she's too stupid to understand where she's wrong.

Do not forget that if you want an affiliate system in place, then thats going to be 50%.

One option is that you make a list of your costs, including your costs of your time.

Then have your photographer to list his costs plus cost per hour when he shoots her.

Then thats the costs.

Then split whatever is left from the costs.

Show her how much photographer/editor/webmaster/marketing cost. She can pay that by the hour then keep 100%

Nobody gets 70 percent. The only way I see a model MAYBE getting 70, if she produced her own content just delivered it to you.

It also depends on how much the site makes, if youre not a top solo site producer, you will probably have to give her a higher percent just to give her enough money to keep her interested.

With how much our sites make, 50 percent allows him a nice salary and keeps them interested long term

Tell her to fuck off. Your 33% is beyond generous. My terms are closer to 20% and requires them working an aggressive schedule of B2C promotions.

I don't want to berate any of the few great models, but in general models are "dime a dozen". A great photographer is worth more than most models can ever offer. They can make a horse look sexy. Backroom editing/photoshop cleans up all the physical defects that the model arrived with, and anything the photographer failed to control (lighting, etc). Remember solid marketing is king, and is more labor intensive in the long run.

+1 :thumbsup


cam sites split between model, company and affiliate and don't even have to shoot content so I think your proposal is fair. I'd only work for 15% if it was like some major celebrity about to take a dong in her ass on camera as the amount of sales would even it out along with the publicity. :2 cents:

Consider a sliding scale heavily weighted with up-front costs then increasing her share as the sites profits climb.

scale, heavily weighted, your talking about her share of coke right :thumbsup

camperjohn64, hit me up. we are launching a new product next week, so if the split is too low, you can still make $ by referring her to http://www.ModelCentro.com

First of all, I rarely ever do this sort of deal with any of my girls. But I do currently have a similar arrangement 2 of them. You're forgetting one thing in your split up there.. Who pays the expenses (visa/mc fees, hosting, etc).

What I do is reserve a % for expenses. A holdback if you will.. So it would look something more like 25% each and then 25% with held to cover expenses. And then every quarter or so we get together and evaluate how much is in the expense account vs how much we are actually spending and any excess is split among us.

I might consider 70% to her and 30% split between me and the photographer if she was handling the expenses and advertising herself and all I had to do was build it.. And that's a big might.. It would depend on other circumstances.

One thing to consider as well.. I have rarely ever had a model stick around long enough for anything like this to make any money. It's usually all fun for the first 2-3 months before they get bored with it and move onto something else and stop showing up for shoots. And then I just wasted all of my time.

If I were you I'd make sure there's something in writing that states if you guys take the time to build something like this and she stops doing it (say within a year), you guys can sell the content or something like that to ensure that your time wasn't wasted.

:2 cents::2 cents::thumbsup

Sage advice.

You couldnt pay me enough to work with a model.

LOL.. actually I should change it to "I have never had a model stick around long enough.."

While it sounds nice to have a model that you can collect a shit ton of content with no up front investment, I have found it more frustrating than anything. Much easier and less frustrating to pay them up front and then sell the content myself.

My current arrangements are just that (and these are girls I've known for a few years).. I'll do it for a year if you do. But if within that year you stop doing this, then I have the right to sell the content we've shot.

You all will make zero dollars. The model will be out her minimal time sitting in front of the camera, as you mentioned. Your photographer will be out his time and any expenses he took on. You will be out your time and any expenses that you took on. The model will hate you for not making her rich. The photographer will be annoyed for presenting him with a shitty business "opportunity." And you will curse the Gods for even considering such an ordeal.

Yup. Think I summed that up perfectly!

;-)

I just thought of a solution though.. Build the site, set up an affiliate program with a 70% revshare and tell her to join it. She'll get her 70% of any sales she sends through her own network.. twitter, fb, or however.

You need to change the title of the thread to "Model Wants To Hire Me As Webmaster For Doing 70% Of The Work For 15% Of The Profits"

Unless you are getting some pussy too it ain't worth your aggravation!!!!
Even if you don't pencil whip her at all she's not going to believe you unless the site makes a great deal of money. (Even if you allow her direct access to the stats) She is already expecting more than the sites gonna make right off the bat.
Just sayin'

yep, perfectly!!!

And even then...

Solo sites it's not what it was a few years ago.
if she has no "wow factor" or amazing personality - 33% for each one, will be not worth it for everyone.
If she has the right look and personality and also willing to work hard to create her brand (social media), than it may work...

Agreed. :thumbsup

70% to model? Only a fucking idiot would even consider that.

50% to a model? Still not happening.

Do yourself a favor, just pay her for the shoots and save yourself a ton of headaches. Split the profits with the photographer or pay him out right and keep the profits to yourself.

One thing the OP has not considered....What happens when the site doesn't make any money? No "if" but when...Because that's far more likely to happen then any other outcome. :2 cents:

Ruuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

70% of nothing is nothing. But it's pretty easy to put up a website and take photos the hard part is driving the traffic. Which is also the most important aspect. LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION. but yeah 70% is fine if she is so hot site goes viral with little effort on the promotion side. Also the key to any split with a model is that in order to make monthly payment splits there needs to be updates. When the model decides she no longer wants to perform updates thats when her split is terminated.

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70% is insane. I don't think I've ever seen anything this high, even with full production costs and edited and delivered video on their end (ie combining the model and your photographer). Even 50% would be pushing it.

Looking at it glass half full for a second, if you had an existing source of traffic/affiliates you could leverage and a really good model working for ~40% that you could shoot 3 years worth of content with in the 3 months before she quits then maybe think about it. She should be thinking more about the paysite as a lead generation tool for private cam shows anyway, which you wouldn't really be getting a cut of.
It's the age of the nude selfie. She's been told all her life her cunt is valuable so it's an understandable mistake but it's a sea of free pussy out there and these days... Fuck I'd rather do a BBW dwarf pegging "solo girl" site than anything less than an absolute top tier asset or an existing star where there might be some existing demand from search traffic and demonstrated longevity in the industry... and even then.. I struggle to think of a single "profession" or class of workers than is more unreliable and annoying to work with. Here's an oxymoron: Porn model work calendar. If you can get them to meet their scheduled cam shows (the bit common sense would tell you they'd be incentivised to do) you should take up any ringmaster positions you see advertised for cat circuses.

we only do 50/50 where the model provides the content, if we provide the photographer / studio its 35% for the model, all non-negotiable, 70%... hell no!

bad idea dont do it :2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

I like AaronM's idea best.

Pay the photographer for the shoots. Pay the model for the shoots. Own the content and move on to another model for another site.

If money is an issue, ask someone here to back you for that 30/70 split. But make it more like 30/70 until they are paid back and then it reverts to 50/50.