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MrDeiz 02-07-2014 04:29 AM

Freeones declines big time
 
adapt or die for another industry icon

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/http://freeones.com
http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?w=340...u=freeones.com

slapass 02-07-2014 04:59 AM

His google traffic got nailed a while ago.

mopek1 02-07-2014 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slapass (Post 19973414)
His google traffic got nailed a while ago.

I remember. I thought if you built a quality site with good retention and TOS you'd be rewarded?

Google won't admit they hate affiliate sites.

Phoenix 02-07-2014 05:16 AM

top 2000 site is nothing to sneeze at

BumpUglyz 02-07-2014 05:17 AM

true dat

Harmon 02-07-2014 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mopek1 (Post 19973427)
I remember. I thought if you built a quality site with good retention and TOS you'd be rewarded?

Google won't admit they hate affiliate sites.

It's not that they hate affiliate sites, it's that they want you to buy ad placement so they can continually drive money into the beast.

You people need to learn to mask your links and forward them to the sites, rather than use the raw code provided to you by the program. Use internal site link structure and Google won't know the difference. You just went from being an affiliate in order to make money with spam to providing useful information and links to an end user.

Mutt 02-07-2014 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mopek1 (Post 19973427)
I remember. I thought if you built a quality site with good retention and TOS you'd be rewarded?

Google won't admit they hate affiliate sites.

What? Google does admit they hate porn industry affiliate sites. They are clueless, porn surfers value many affiliate sites such as Freeones as great resources.

What Google won't admit is how much they love sites that steal content in massive amounts. Unfortunate that nobody in this industry has the scratch to risk in a lawsuit against Google.

Tdash 02-07-2014 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harmon (Post 19973437)
It's not that they hate affiliate sites, it's that they want you to buy ad placement so they can continually drive money into the beast.

You people need to learn to mask your links and forward them to the sites, rather than use the raw code provided to you by the program. Use internal site link structure and Google won't know the difference. You just went from being an affiliate in order to make money with spam to providing useful information and links to an end user.

Harmon, can you give an example?

BSleazy 02-07-2014 05:52 AM

Must host long videos!

Markul 02-07-2014 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 19973440)
What? Google does admit they hate porn industry affiliate sites. They are clueless, porn surfers value many affiliate sites such as Freeones as great resources.

What Google won't admit is how much they love sites that steal content in massive amounts. Unfortunate that nobody in this industry has the scratch to risk in a lawsuit against Google.

:2 cents::2 cents::thumbsup

NewNick 02-07-2014 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 19973440)
What? Google does admit they hate porn industry affiliate sites. They are clueless, porn surfers value many affiliate sites such as Freeones as great resources.

What Google won't admit is how much they love sites that steal content in massive amounts. Unfortunate that nobody in this industry has the scratch to risk in a lawsuit against Google.

+1

Except for it's original cash cow idea (search based on link popularity funded by an advert auction), Google has never produced anything of consequence, it is the biggest pirate of the lot leeching the creative internet for all it is worth.

Look at all the products that google has shelved over the years. Whenever google tries to actually create something itself it fails miserably.

CurrentlySober 02-07-2014 05:58 AM

i like poogle...

robwod 02-07-2014 06:02 AM

So FreeOnes dropped a mere ~600 places in 2 years and this is a "big decline" ?

That said, let me ask you -- serious question. Who do you know in real life who has actually even heard of Alexa, let alone go there and install their toolbar (besides webmasters)?

I'll say this much, FreeOnes is right up there with some of the best quality traffic demographics of the hundreds of sites we deal with. Their traffic is like gold if you know how to use it and convert it. Great people to deal with too.

Harmon 02-07-2014 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tdash (Post 19973462)
Harmon, can you give an example?

ChristyMack.com

WRONG: http://join.christymack.puba.com/tra...1.26.0.0.0.0.0

RIGHT: http://ChristyMack.YourDomain.com
OR: http://www.YourDomain.com/ChristyMack

There are various ways you can achieve this through cpanel and what not and there are also some Wordpress plugins that can help you out with this. Just read up on it, there is ton's of information.

Check out http://wordpress.org/plugins/alc/

Sidenote
: I'd stay away from URL shorteners - if they happen to go out of business, so won't your links and that will create a shit ton of work for you.

stoka 02-07-2014 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tdash (Post 19973462)
Harmon, can you give an example?

+1

if it does hate aff links i don't think there's an easy way to fuck em over

robwod 02-07-2014 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harmon (Post 19973478)

This is also one of those ways where lowlife's discover your affiliate ID and thus, already have half of your access information at the affiliate program. Further, for the people scraping your work, it's a simple rewrite to swap your id for theirs. Finally, many webmasters use the same login id, this also allows scrapers, hackers, etc the ability to search Google and create a profile of your affiliate business, which gives them a list of places to try to exploit.

Masking is just smart business all around.

Roald 02-07-2014 06:21 AM

Maybe this is the time to buy it Deiz, must go cheap now!!!

PornDiscounts-V 02-07-2014 06:23 AM

You can go from 1000 alexa to 2000 alexa rating in 2 years and grow in traffic. This is because more people came on to the internet in that amount of time. So what if more site have more traffic. You still have your own.

Petra 02-07-2014 06:38 AM

Don't take my word for it, but I think we're doing pretty OK. ;-) Alexa is just one tool out of the toolbox after all.

Oh yea, and we have some big stuff on its way. Hopefully I'll have something to show off around Phoenix time.

PornDude 02-07-2014 06:48 AM

I take your word ;)

CamTraffic 02-07-2014 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrDeiz (Post 19973404)

You should worry about your own site :)
They are doing pretty well.

Barry-xlovecam 02-07-2014 07:01 AM

I don't see how there is any realistic way to cloak/hide affiliate links;
  1. Search engine robots can read HTML, JavaScripts and embedded code.
  2. Search engine robots can read headers.
  3. Search engine robots can be programmed to ignore the robots.txt, nofollow links, meta index directives.


MrDeiz 02-07-2014 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 19973496)
Maybe this is the time to buy it Deiz, must go cheap now!!!

nice trolling
on the other side it's nothing but delusion to say freeones is doing fine. many gfy oldtimers can't get out of it, economy & reallife does it for them

seeandsee 02-07-2014 07:19 AM

Only they know how much traffic they have

Roald 02-07-2014 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrDeiz (Post 19973541)
nice trolling
on the other side it's nothing but delusion to say freeones is doing fine. many gfy oldtimers can't get out of it, economy & reallife does it for them

Why do you think I left? I had to pay to work there :2 cents:

Jel 02-07-2014 07:38 AM

correct me if I'm wrong, but I read this OP as a bash at google, not a bash at freeones. Appears others are seeing it as a bash at freeones? Unless of course I'm the one that's reading it wrong :)

Barefootsies 02-07-2014 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 19973577)
Why do you think I left? I had to pay to work there


lucas131 02-07-2014 07:40 AM

must say daizzy is totally out of closet here ... :upsidedow freeones sure have one of the best traffic, because there is no competition. if your traffic goes down, mostly it means you have comeptition, but freeones dont have any as far i know ... so, what and why are you beating here my friend? :)

Denny 02-07-2014 07:44 AM

http://i.imgur.com/QXvwrlb.gif

MrDeiz 02-07-2014 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jel (Post 19973579)
correct me if I'm wrong, but I read this OP as a bash at google, not a bash at freeones. Appears others are seeing it as a bash at freeones? Unless of course I'm the one that's reading it wrong :)

i'm referring to the whole situation in this biz, both in-house and outside.

barelist 02-07-2014 11:28 AM

http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?w=340...u=freeones.com

That's their search volume from the same time period, doesn't look like too much of a Google hit.

If they got slammed that hard, the search percentage graph would be skewed more to other sources of traffic.

Either they lost traffic overall, or other sites (in all genres) are just ranking higher on Alexa. Also Alexa doesn't only count unique visitors for their ranking, at least last time I checked.

Here's our traffic from Google and Bing over the years (I know it's small):

http://s12.postimg.org/959qybg19/gvsb.jpg

In all honestly in 2014, you really shouldn't count on traffic from search engines. Focus on something you can control, like social media.

Search engine traffic is nice, but it can go away anytime, for any reason...

That being said... I still follow Google's Page Speed guidelines like the Bible :P

mopek1 02-07-2014 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 19973440)
What? Google does admit they hate porn industry affiliate sites. They are clueless, porn surfers value many affiliate sites such as Freeones as great resources.

What Google won't admit is how much they love sites that steal content in massive amounts. Unfortunate that nobody in this industry has the scratch to risk in a lawsuit against Google.

I meant affiliate sites as a whole including mainstream ones. I know they hate porn.

And you're right about the 2nd paragraph.

PornCious 02-07-2014 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barelist (Post 19973879)

In all honestly in 2014, you really shouldn't count on traffic from search engines. Focus on something you can control, like social media.

Search engine traffic is nice, but it can go away anytime, for any reason...

what he said...

Freeones seems to be doing okay with 7-8M daily traffic and ~58% search traffic. Alexa is relatively good indicator for site traffic/rank but it is not accurate all the time. Try different source.

rockeru 02-07-2014 11:56 AM

Freeones should be like Wikipedia for our industry

pornmasta 02-07-2014 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockeru (Post 19973918)
Freeones should be like Wikipedia for our industry

:1orglaugh

signupdamnit 02-07-2014 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harmon (Post 19973478)
ChristyMack.com

WRONG: http://join.christymack.puba.com/tra...1.26.0.0.0.0.0

RIGHT: http://ChristyMack.YourDomain.com
OR: http://www.YourDomain.com/ChristyMack

There are various ways you can achieve this through cpanel and what not and there are also some Wordpress plugins that can help you out with this. Just read up on it, there is ton's of information.

Check out http://wordpress.org/plugins/alc/

Sidenote
: I'd stay away from URL shorteners - if they happen to go out of business, so won't your links and that will create a shit ton of work for you.

The thing is Google knows how to follow that link to the affiliate site. I guess if you make it nofollow or put it in robots.txt maybe they aren't supposed to but who knows how they scroe such links. I guess it's better than being seen as an affilaite though?

Harmon 02-07-2014 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 19973963)
nofollow or put it in robots.txt

Ummm, yeah? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

signupdamnit 02-07-2014 12:56 PM

Compete only shows them down by about 10% over the last year.

https://siteanalytics.compete.com/freeones.com

It would be interesting to look at their books though.

j3rkules 02-07-2014 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 19973440)
What? Google does admit they hate porn industry affiliate sites. They are clueless, porn surfers value many affiliate sites such as Freeones as great resources.

What Google won't admit is how much they love sites that steal content in massive amounts. Unfortunate that nobody in this industry has the scratch to risk in a lawsuit against Google.

:2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

JayAllan 02-07-2014 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 19973471)
+1

Look at all the products that google has shelved over the years. Whenever google tries to actually create something itself it fails miserably.

Oh yeah! Like ANDROID :thumbsup :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

aviatorz 02-07-2014 06:31 PM

Sell sell sell!

mopek1 02-07-2014 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayAllan (Post 19974215)
Oh yeah! Like ANDROID :thumbsup :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Yeah but there is a lot more that they tried that failed.


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