Do you believe the 6 million Holocaust story?
 

200.000 people got killed just in the civil wars in my country and we are pretty small compared to the entire european population in world war for over 4 years...I would not be surprised at 6 million over 4 years this is around 4000 people a day and divide this by many many concentration camps everywhere plus factor in the fighting and disease and freezing to death and its a plausible figure IMO

Obviously is hard to put an ultra accurate figure together, but definitely it was in the several millions range. There were innumerable large jewish communities in Europe that disappeared.

YES! but also other 55->80 millions died and nobody remembers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_W...ses_by_country

In a lot of countries, claiming that the Holocaust didn't happen or was exaggerated is illegal. For anyone in Europe: be careful what you post in this thread. People have gone to prison before for discussions on this type of topic.

I don't know about the numbers because I've never looked at the evidence: I imagine they're accurate, though.

what a fucking nightmare if you had to live during WWII

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It can happen again...you only have to look at the people who denied it ever happened. :2 cents:

:stoned

ADG

Since I do not have a reason to disbelieve it...yes I accept the story.

My question is: Why do Jewish Doctors drive Mercedes? Hitler's favorite car.

Horrible stuff ADG, horrible stuff.


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google for "bei nacht und nebel" ... once you saw the MOUNTAINS of cut off hair from females you will no longer ask ... YES, it DID HAPPEN! *voice from germany over and out*

Okay, the OP here is a lunatic though not the only one apparently...

My great-grandfather was executed in front of his family because he didn't revealed where his son (my grandpa) was hiding. The executioner > some Nazi (my country and Germans where allies). When the Russians come to "liberate us" .. they've raped his wife and half of the village.
I'm very sorry for all the Jews .. I only wish other ethnic groups where so scrupulous and loud about their loses as well. Wish that shit never happens again.

dont know dont really care :2 cents::2 cents:

You should..you really should!

Not sure of the exact count but my family fled Germany.

one word bro: Lithium

I have been to Dachau. There is no need to "believe", I know it happened. Of course it happened.
Also, David Irving should be repeatedly punched in the testicles.

Lol at people who believe in mass, worldwide conspiracy. A govt, any govt, is an organisation of individuals who, once they start acting as a group, can barely find their asses with both hands and a map. Govts can't even run roads and hospitals, yet you think they are able to form an overarching group with insidious and nefarious control over millions? No organisation is that well organised and no group that big can keep a secret.

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Not a fucking story!!! I personally knew many jewish people with first hand accounts of the NAZI attrocities. Oh.... and numbers tattooed haphazardly on their skin against their will.

Genocide is nothing to be forgetting or allowing to be forgotten.

BTW, I'm not jewish.

They are remembered, but soon they will be forgotten no doubt. :Oh crap

The German public was just like us..... They were douped, just like us!!!

Since it's CONspiracy night on the ol Giffy - anyone here bold enough to claim we never landed on the moon?

No, it's all Photoshop and Hollywood animation...

The numbers are pretty accurate, the Jewish population of Europe pre-war was a known quantity, after the camps were liberated the surviving Jews went to DP camps, those people were counted. Pretty simple math - (European Jews Before the War) - (????????) = Jewish Survivors Counted After War

Nobody knew about the death camps, nobody could imagine such a horror, until very late in the war.

I read an incredible story about 2 Czech teenagers, who escaped one of the death camps against all odds, and their race to tell the world about the horror.

edit - Slovak not Czech

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Vrba

Rudolf "Rudi" Vrba (11 September 1924 – 27 March 2006) was a professor of pharmacology at the University of British Columbia. Originally from Slovakia, he is known for his escape, at the age of 19, from the Auschwitz concentration camp in German-occupied Poland during the Second World War, and for having provided some of the earliest and most detailed information about the mass murder that was taking place there.[1]

Yup and it doesn't take long either:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide

Anyone interested in history, how it is selectively remembered, denied or forgotten, I cannot recommend strongly enough the book Long Shadows: Truth, Lies and History.
Talks about ww2, rwanda, the rape of nan king, the atrocities in Chile etc etc. Very interesting reading.

The holocaust as the history books define it was a work of fiction developed for the Nuremberg trials. The allied forces wanted to cripple Germany for decades. Between the cash reparations, splitting of Germany and the starvation of most German POWs it was a great success.

There were indeed many deaths at Germany's internment camps, but they died of typhus. Every effort was made by Germany early in the war to treat these people, but the hospitals became overrun as the disease spread. It got to the point where nobody could be treated because the allied forces had cut off German supply lines.

There are stories of people witnessing murders, but there are also stories of US soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan murdering people. History has allowed these isolated stories to take on a life of their own for WW2.

LOL right, because you're one of the few who understands the truth, the rest of the world's had the wool over their eyes for the past 60+ years, all the evidence has been faked or misinterpreted. :1orglaugh

Holocaust deniers' arguments have been so thoroughly debunked time & again via documents, eyewitness testimony, physical evidence, etc, that it's not even worth arguing - you've created your fantasy scenario and use whatever cherry-picked or distorted info you can find to reinforce it. No one will change your mind. Humans are weird.

What a fucking crock of shit. Exactly how much proof are you capable of ignoring?

There where no gas chambers and firing squads and they died of typhus?..

So all the witness lied?....

Do you really believe that:Oh crap?..

My father fought with other Canadians in World War II. When he returned he brought back some emotional issues caused by the war with him. He died in 1980 of cancer with me and my mother by his side.

Since then my mom was very active in the Legion which was made up of aging soldiers. Every year my Mom and I, with a couple of hundred other relatives of soldiers attend the Last Post Fund Field of Honour as a way to honour and remember Canada's Veterans. It is a quiet ceremony with bagpipes, a couple of speeches, a moment of silence, the placing of poppies on the graves, etc.

None of those people could care more about WW1 and WW2. They saw first hand what the war did to people, the losses it caused and the gains those men fought for.

You tell those people, you miserable sack of shit, that no one gives a fuck about WW1 and WW2 as you claim. The only people who don't give a fuck are assholes like you that are too fucking stupid to understand what young soldiers had to do just so unappreciative little shits like you can live your life today. If you're too fucking stupid or lazy or SCARED to find a war veterans that will give you 2 seconds of their precious time, try spewing your hateful cowardly ramblings to your parents, grandparents or great grandparents, and see what they have to say to you after that. Don't forget to tell him how fucking proud you are too that you're a complete moron who only shoots his mouth off when hidden behind a keyboard. Fuck you.

I think the truth is somewhere at the middle. Allied troops arrived in the death-camps after "soviet liberating army" occupied most of the camps. And we all know Stalin's tactics to blame the looser side as revenge for German attack on soviets. I think Soviets troops starved to death the prisoners and told that Nazis did that.

You're allowed to say that Stalin (who supposidely killed 20-60 million people) killed less or upset millions of Catholics by going on a crusade saying God doesn't exist and that's called freedom of speech, but if you upset the Jews by saying that the holocaust didn't happen or anything less then 6 million jews were killed and you go to jail? :2 cents:

That doesn't seem a little strange?

The gas chambers were used to fumigate clothing to rid them of lice, which were the carriers of typhus. There is no evidence whatsoever that these chambers were used to kill millions of people.

The best evidence is the German military special ordering Zyclon-B with the odor agent removed. The manufacturer was deemed partially liable for the deaths based on the assumption that they should have known the gas was being used to kill people if it was ordered with the odor agent removed. One alternative theory offered is the odor was sticking to the clothes and making everyone uncomfortable.


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The original fumigation chambers had warnings all over them. Those warnings were removed because they make it difficult to tell the story that camp residents were tricked into entering.

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How these doors look today.

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If there's chamber at the camp, it must have been built to be a death chamber!

http://furtherglory.files.wordpress....pg?w=420&h=274
Brits installed this sign at Bergen-Belsen....

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.... but the typhus carrying lice outbreak was deemed so bad that they burned the camp down.

There are no firing squad photos involving camp residents. There is no known proof of murder at these camps. I'm not saying it never happened. Anytime you have military in charge of prisoners there will be some abuses. Probably moreso back in the 1940s compared to today, but certainly not enough to explain mass deaths.

no known proof?? Are you mental? Go to one of the camps. I went to one, and was unwilling to go to a second. There is TONS of proof, tons and tons of it. There are German govt documents from the time with all the details you will ever need. To dismiss them as fiction is willful ignorance.

Where are you from Matt? And have you been to Germany, France, Poland or Austria?

I've been to one of the camps - Majdanek. It was going to be the largest camp if it was finished but the war ended before they finished it. I don't know what it looks like at the other camps as I haven't been to any others, but at least at that one there was quite a bit of housing and barrack

I saw the gas chamber too. While I can't rule out that it was used to kill people,
- It was maybe 140cm ceiling at best, not enough to stand up in, and was quite small.
- The shower room was at least 10 times the size of the gas chamber.
- There was 3 rooms. A main room (presumably to get undressed) which contained a fenced cage with cans of Zyklon-B, and then two doors - one to the gas chamber and one to the showers.

I'm not saying people didn't get killed or executed there by any means and this might look completely different at the other camps, but what i personally saw at Majdanek supports the fumigation idea. As was written earlier though, it could be that some were "prison camps" and some were "death camps".

So you are just going to ignore the 10000's of eye witnesses including the Nazis that perpetrated the crimes?..

Don't waste your time with this, nothing you say will change his mind. That stuff he posted above is just standard-issue holocaust denier template that's been disproven 1000x over, but he'll just come back with more distorted or simplified or outright fabricated nonsense.

Of cause it happened but I also believe that the horrific actions were "hijacked" by the Jewish media after the war for their own ends, how little mention is now made of all the other groups exterminated? you have to be a bit of a history buff to know that the camps also housed gays, communists, gypsies, priests, mentally ill people, prostitutes, trade unionists, ect ...

"The German Nazi crimes against the Polish nation,[1][2][3] claimed approximately 5.6 million,[4] to 5.8 million lives,[5] of whom 3.1 million were Polish Jews,[4] two million were ethnic Poles, and the remaining half-a-million minorities.[4][6] The crimes were committed during the course of the 1939 invasion,[7] as well as the subsequent occupation of Poland in World War II.[8] The genocidal policy of the German Third Reich against Polish citizens ? as the epicenter of Nazi German war crimes (1939?45) and crimes against humanity ? resulted in the death of 16.7?17.2% of Poland's prewar population (1932 census)."

You have a hard time believing that 3.1 Polish Jews just disappeared off the face of the earth, what about the 2 million non-Jewish Poles?

Care to link to any page disproving this stuff?

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