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Emma 03-03-2014 02:43 AM

Russia didn't invade Ukraine
 
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhqM1U2IIAAbOVP.png:large

Putin sent troops in Crimea to protect their interests and the Russian speaking population.

Facts you need to know about Crimea

ZiggiZiggiCrew 03-03-2014 04:09 AM

exactly:thumbsup

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhrLfe8CEAAZor9.jpg

wehateporn 03-03-2014 04:34 AM

Russia cares for their neighbors, they want to help out during difficult times, that is a good thing :2 cents:

Markul 03-03-2014 04:43 AM

This thread is funny :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup

seeandsee 03-03-2014 05:16 AM

russia will send army and get everything she can, she will not look back...

JockoHomo 03-03-2014 05:34 AM

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma...febyo1_250.gif

Emma 03-03-2014 05:54 AM

Most Americans can't find Ukraine on a map, but they're all experts in the geopolitics of the region, because they've watched the American news channels and heard their leadership's version of events.

Kolargol 03-03-2014 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emma (Post 20002391)
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhqM1U2IIAAbOVP.png:large

Putin sent troops in Crimea to protect their interests and the Russian speaking population.

Facts you need to know about Crimea

So did Hitler in 1938 - to protect Germans from those violent Czechs.
BTW, how many Russians were murdered in antirussian riots in Crimea recently? 10? 100? or ZERO?

AndrewX 03-03-2014 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kolargol (Post 20002583)
So did Hitler in 1938 - to protect Germans from those violent Czechs.
BTW, how many Russians were murdered in antirussian riots in Crimea recently? 10? 100? or ZERO?

Don't answer questions with questions. You made your point. Russia made sure it will not happen. Those terrorists put a democratically elected president aside and expect the world to help them with their criminal acts.

Kolargol 03-03-2014 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndrewX (Post 20002599)
Don't answer questions with questions. You made your point. Russia made sure it will not happen. Those terrorists put a democratically elected president aside and expect the world to help them with their criminal acts.

I think all they expect is to sort their own country without russian invasion.

femdomdestiny 03-03-2014 07:38 AM

I don't get it where is problem now? When NATO attack and took over sovereign territory (Kosovo), against all international rules and by completely avoiding UN. Then it was ok and it was some other's problem, i guess.

Russians told back then that Pandora's box is opened and that what just happened will start happening all around globe. And this is just the begining and similar scenarios we will watrch in incoming days.Yes there are many serious countries or countries that are NATO members like Spain, Greece, or Slovakia that won't recognize this fake terrorist NATO creation in the middle of Europe, since they know what that means, but also,tons of puppet regimes and governments did it and there was no such problem like it is now when Russians are doing it without bullet fired. Double standards, or what? It is always dangerous not to follow rules or change them when you like it.

Mustafa Cemilev, the Chairman of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People declared that he supported the right of self-determination for every nation, including Kosovo.[490] He also added that the Crimean Tatars will not start a secession process from Ukraine if their rights are respected. Cemilev stated that he believes the motive for the Kosovars to declare independence was the anti-Albanian situation in Kosovo

EddyTheDog 03-03-2014 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndrewX (Post 20002599)
Don't answer questions with questions. You made your point. Russia made sure it will not happen. Those terrorists put a democratically elected president aside and expect the world to help them with their criminal acts.

The President was ripping them off - They got rid of a thief...

Sounds like a good plan to me.....

EddyTheDog 03-03-2014 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny (Post 20002607)
I don't get it where is problem now? When NATO attack and took over sovereign territory (Kosovo), against all international rules and by completely avoiding UN. Then it was ok and it was some other's problem, i guess.

Russians told back then that Pandora's box is opened and that what just happened will start happening all around globe. And this is just the begining and similar scenarios we will watrch in incoming days.Yes there are many serious countries or countries that are NATO members like Spain, Greece, or Slovakia that won't recognize this fake terrorist NATO creation in the middle of Europe, since they know what that means, but also,tons of puppet regimes and governments did it and there was no such problem like it is now when Russians are doing it without bullet fired. Double standards, or what? It is always dangerous not to follow rules or change them when you like it.

Mustafa Cemilev, the Chairman of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People declared that he supported the right of self-determination for every nation, including Kosovo.[490] He also added that the Crimean Tatars will not start a secession process from Ukraine if their rights are respected. Cemilev stated that he believes the motive for the Kosovars to declare independence was the anti-Albanian situation in Kosovo

You are just trolling through history looking for mistakes to justify what is happening today...

Learn from the mistakes of the past - Don't use them as an excuse to repeat them.....

Rochard 03-03-2014 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emma (Post 20002391)
Putin sent troops in Crimea to protect their interests and the Russian speaking population.

But why?

There wasn't any protesting or rioting going on in Crimea. The government removed it's president, which them fled to Russia. There was no danger to anyone at all until the Russians invaded.

This is like Congress removing Obama from office, and Mexico invading Texas to protect Spanish speaking people.

The ONLY danger to the people in Crimea is the fact that Russian troops have invaded.

wehateporn 03-03-2014 07:59 AM

Ukraine has been taken over by unelected bloodthirsty radicals funded by George Soros, the citizens are crying out for Russia to help them restore peace and democracy :2 cents:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20002615)
But why?

There wasn't any protesting or rioting going on in Crimea. The government removed it's president, which them fled to Russia. There was no danger to anyone at all until the Russians invaded.

This is like Congress removing Obama from office, and Mexico invading Texas to protect Spanish speaking people.

The ONLY danger to the people in Crimea is the fact that Russian troops have invaded.


Antonio 03-03-2014 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emma (Post 20002391)
Putin sent troops in Crimea to protect their interests and the Russian speaking population.

Hitler sent troops in Czechoslovakia to protect their interests and the German speaking population.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

klinton 03-03-2014 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antonio (Post 20002642)
:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

whole CzechoSlovakia is not Crimea...and Crimea is just a part of Ukraine

Emma 03-03-2014 08:07 AM

http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/f0...0f48c7d938.jpg

People hold flags during a pro-Russian rally outside the Crimean parliament building. So, as long as Russian troops don't move further than they're welcomed by the locals, no shots will be fired.

The referendum of the status of the autonomous republic of Crimea will be held on March 30.

58.3 percent of the population are Russians,so guess what will happen.

femdomdestiny 03-03-2014 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 20002614)
You are just trolling through history looking for mistakes to justify what is happening today...

Learn from the mistakes of the past - Don't use them as an excuse to repeat them.....

LOL.Mistake?? It was planned and organized action for years where consequences were consciously ignored because there were no fear for a side that is doing it and with a clear goals. It was not a mistake, people running countries and military armadas are not idiots or amateurs that decide to do something just like that. Again, how mistake can be made if more then half of world in that moment are not agreeing on that and saying they don't support it?

It is clear arrogance, force, and economic and political interest,and not a mistake. You don't buy a dinner by mistake but you can avoid UN and give country to armed Muslims terrorists and nazi followers (by mistake?): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_Wa..._(1st_Albanian)

Markul 03-03-2014 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny (Post 20002607)
I don't get it where is problem now? When NATO attack and took over sovereign territory (Kosovo), against all international rules and by completely avoiding UN. Then it was ok and it was some other's problem, i guess.

Russians told back then that Pandora's box is opened and that what just happened will start happening all around globe. And this is just the begining and similar scenarios we will watrch in incoming days.Yes there are many serious countries or countries that are NATO members like Spain, Greece, or Slovakia that won't recognize this fake terrorist NATO creation in the middle of Europe, since they know what that means, but also,tons of puppet regimes and governments did it and there was no such problem like it is now when Russians are doing it without bullet fired. Double standards, or what? It is always dangerous not to follow rules or change them when you like it.

Mustafa Cemilev, the Chairman of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People declared that he supported the right of self-determination for every nation, including Kosovo.[490] He also added that the Crimean Tatars will not start a secession process from Ukraine if their rights are respected. Cemilev stated that he believes the motive for the Kosovars to declare independence was the anti-Albanian situation in Kosovo

I remember when that happened, they even wanted to ship me there to help make it happen. I had just returned from a tour in Bosnia. That was the day I left the army.

just a punk 03-03-2014 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kolargol (Post 20002601)
I think all they expect is to sort their own country without russian invasion.

No money? Don't wanna work? Do a revolution then!

http://img11.nnm.me/5/5/5/4/3/774e57...3970fccc94.jpg

oppoten 03-03-2014 08:10 AM

MSNBC graphic...looks like the Czechs have invaded Slovakia while the world isn't looking...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhmmA_tCAAAsT-5.jpg

just a punk 03-03-2014 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 20002610)
The President was ripping them off - They got rid of a thief...

Winch one? Please give me a name of the Ukrainian president who hasn't been a thief.

EddyTheDog 03-03-2014 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20002659)
Winch one? Please give me a name of the Ukrainian president who hasn't been a thief.

I don't know what they are moaning about then - They should be used to it...

just a punk 03-03-2014 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20002615)
There wasn't any protesting or rioting going on in Crimea.

http://files.myopera.com/drlaunch/al...6/o-rly001.jpg

Do you always post first and think second? Just curious...







:2 cents:

just a punk 03-03-2014 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 20002665)
I don't know what they are moaning about then - They should be used to it...

And they are. The name of the next president of Ukraine will be (sorry for bringing here facts from the future) Timoshenko. A woman who was already been prosecuted for economical crimes (theft) long before all those Yushenko and Yanukovich. She also was a prime minister of Ukraine. Did she stop stealing? No she didn't. So why the Ukrainians are so sure that she won't be doing in future? Yes, Yanukovish was a thief but Timoshonko is a thief too. About 100 Ukrainian citizens were killed just to replace one shit with another. I really don't understand them :disgust

klinton 03-03-2014 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oppoten (Post 20002656)
MSNBC graphic...looks like the Czechs have invaded Slovakia while the world isn't looking...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhmmA_tCAAAsT-5.jpg

they reunited again :1orglaugh

Kolargol 03-03-2014 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20002673)
And they are. The name of the next president of Ukraine will be (sorry for bringing here facts from the future) Timoshenko. A woman who was already been prosecuted for economical crimes (theft) long before all those Yushenko and Yanukovich. She also was a prime minister of Ukraine. Did she stop stealing? No she didn't. So why the Ukrainians are so sure that she won't be doing in future? Yes, Yanukovish was a thief but Timoshonko is a thief too. About 100 Ukrainian citizens were killed just to replace one shit with another. I really don't understand them :disgust

Does it give you right to invade their country? Will Russia invade mine if Putin decides he doesnt like my president or the way we might get rid of him?

Sly 03-03-2014 09:13 AM

I like watching Russians justifying Russian actions after years of listening to them bitch and moan about American actions. It's entertaining.

directfiesta 03-03-2014 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 20002743)
I like watching Russians justifying Russian actions after years of listening to them bitch and moan about American actions. It's entertaining.

.. and vice versa ....

directfiesta 03-03-2014 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kolargol (Post 20002732)
Does it give you right to invade their country? Will Russia invade mine if Putin decides he doesnt like my president or the way we might get rid of him?

... no

but watch out for the USA ... they invade far away from home :2 cents:

Emma 03-03-2014 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kolargol (Post 20002732)
Does it give you right to invade their country? Will Russia invade mine if Putin decides he doesnt like my president or the way we might get rid of him?

The Crimea was historically part of Russia until 1954 when Khrushchev assigned it to Ukraine for contemporary internal USSR reasons.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...raine610-1.jpg

mineistaken 03-03-2014 11:52 AM

So why did they invade Crimea? Did Ukrainians plan to kill Russian people there?
Crimea was part of Ukraine and is the same part of Ukraine after the revolution. Nothing changed, why invade?

Seems that Russian propaganda really gets to some people.

mineistaken 03-03-2014 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emma (Post 20003048)
The Crimea was historically part of Russia until 1954 when Khrushchev assigned it to Ukraine for contemporary internal USSR reasons.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...raine610-1.jpg

Many of those claiming Russian as foreign language claims themselves as Ukrainians.
Posting these stats based on language is tampering with the whole picture.

mineistaken 03-03-2014 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oppoten (Post 20002656)
MSNBC graphic...looks like the Czechs have invaded Slovakia while the world isn't looking...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhmmA_tCAAAsT-5.jpg

How dumb should people working there be not to at least think "hmm, Checoslovakia, isn't it a country anymore" ?

Emma 03-03-2014 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20003055)
Many of those claiming Russian as foreign language claims themselves as Ukrainians.
Posting these stats based on language is tampering with the whole picture.

We will see. A referendum on the Crimean autonomy status will be held in Crimea on March 30th.

Also,Putin must protect his Baltic Fleet. This is where their submarine fleet has been since the Soviet days, there are marines and troops there to protect it. Ukraine cannot expect Russia to leave its base vulnerable, they clearly made agreements to it staying there after the fall of the Soviet Union. Russia is doing only what any country would do when one of its bases is at risk.

mineistaken 03-03-2014 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emma (Post 20003085)
Also,Putin must protect his Baltic Fleet.

How is Crimea related to Baltic fleet?

Emma 03-03-2014 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20003088)
How is Crimea related to Baltic fleet?

My mistake. I mean Black Sea Fleet.

http://en.ria.ru/images/15999/20/159992080.jpg

Rochard 03-03-2014 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20003052)
So why did they invade Crimea? Did Ukrainians plan to kill Russian people there?
Crimea was part of Ukraine and is the same part of Ukraine after the revolution. Nothing changed, why invade?

Seems that Russian propaganda really gets to some people.

This is what I don't understand. The only threat to Crimea seems to be the Russian invasion.

femdomdestiny 03-03-2014 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20002673)
And they are. The name of the next president of Ukraine will be (sorry for bringing here facts from the future) Timoshenko. A woman who was already been prosecuted for economical crimes (theft) long before all those Yushenko and Yanukovich. She also was a prime minister of Ukraine. Did she stop stealing? No she didn't. So why the Ukrainians are so sure that she won't be doing in future? Yes, Yanukovish was a thief but Timoshonko is a thief too. About 100 Ukrainian citizens were killed just to replace one shit with another. I really don't understand them :disgust

One question: How many troops Russia can have there regarding agreemend about renting Sevastopol base?

If I heard good, 13k marines, 1k ground troops, 110 transporters, and 30 artilery systems. Is that true?

TheSquealer 03-03-2014 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny (Post 20003111)
One question: How many troops Russia can have there regarding agreemend about renting Sevastopol base?

If I heard good, 13k marines, 1k ground troops, 110 transporters, and 30 artilery systems. Is that true?

A better question to him would be "how did Putin amass a multi-billion dollar fortune as a public servant"

MaDalton 03-03-2014 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oppoten (Post 20002656)
MSNBC graphic...looks like the Czechs have invaded Slovakia while the world isn't looking...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhmmA_tCAAAsT-5.jpg

we have Schengen and half of Slovakian population is in CZ anyways - doesnt make a big difference :winkwink:

just a punk 03-03-2014 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kolargol (Post 20002732)
Does it give you right to invade their country?

Are you an idiot? I'm sitting in front of my computer in Moscow right now. How can I invade anything except my fridge?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kolargol (Post 20002732)
Will Russia invade mine if Putin decides he doesnt like my president or the way we might get rid of him?

Ask Putin.

just a punk 03-03-2014 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20003117)
A better question to him would be "how did Putin amass a multi-billion dollar fortune as a public servant"

Putin has a special speaking-head for that. Ask him. Why do you ask me? :helpme

Sid70 03-03-2014 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndrewX (Post 20002599)
Don't answer questions with questions. You made your point. Russia made sure it will not happen. Those terrorists put a democratically elected president aside and expect the world to help them with their criminal acts.

I can't keep off answering this insane fucker with ADG style.

http://memecrunch.com/meme/1QRBW/son...-you/image.png

http://funnymeme.net/wp-content/uplo...GH-ARE-YOU.jpg

http://web-images.chacha.com/images/...12-600x400.jpg

Sid70 03-03-2014 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20002673)
And they are. The name of the next president of Ukraine will be (sorry for bringing here facts from the future) Timoshenko. A woman who was already been prosecuted for economical crimes (theft) long before all those Yushenko and Yanukovich. She also was a prime minister of Ukraine. Did she stop stealing? No she didn't. So why the Ukrainians are so sure that she won't be doing in future? Yes, Yanukovish was a thief but Timoshonko is a thief too. About 100 Ukrainian citizens were killed just to replace one shit with another. I really don't understand them :disgust

At times enough is enough. The nation takes a chance to change things. If you do nothing it will remain the same.

mineistaken 03-03-2014 06:14 PM

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1134948 applies to the OP who believes in Russian propaganda about saving Russian people.

Sid70 03-03-2014 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20003127)
we have Schengen and half of Slovakian population is in CZ anyways - doesnt make a big difference :winkwink:

Yeah, i was in Slovakia recently, was wondering about where all the folks did go, i loved it out there, fresh air and stuff.

just a punk 03-03-2014 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 20003487)
At times enough is enough. The nation takes a chance to change things. If you do nothing it will remain the same.

Once again: they (Ukrainians) have replaced one thief with another (ok, almost replaced because Timoshenko is not a president yet but she will be). So what will change there? Will she stop stealing?

Another problem is that revolution will never help to the economics. "Enough is enough" was when Ukrainians did this to Kuchma. Another "enough is enough" was then Ukrainians did this to Yanukovich (for a first time in 2004). Now here we go: a new "enough is enough"? 22 years of living for revolution, maybe it would be better if Ukrainian people start work instead of overthrowing the government? The Ukrainian economics is totally devastated (according to Yatsenuk, there are no money left). So what's next?

just a punk 03-03-2014 11:28 PM

Кстати, по поводу революций. Их всегда начинают идеалисты (интеллигенция), а заканчивают отморозки. Так ведь было уже в 1917. Вроде бы мирно свергли царя в феврале, поставили временное буржуазное правительство (ничего не напоминает?), но шариковы и швондеры (парни типа вашего Музычко и ему подобных) не захотели на этом останавливаться и случился еще один переворот, уже в октябре. Результаты этого переворота тебе известны ничуть не меньше, чем мне.

На Украине сейчас ровно такая же ситуация. Вмененное правительство по сути нифига не контролирует страну. Общая мобилизация провалилась. Силовики покидают посты, или вообще и переходят на сторону противников новой власти. По улицам Киева шарахаются кучи вооруженных революционеров (им бы еще черные кожанки раздать и маузеры - просто картина маслом). Лидер местных нациков (назовем его батькой Махно) создает собственную армию (по сути, вооруженное бандформирование), органы правопорядка не работают. Экономика в жопе. Ну и чем все это закончится? Я не Нострадамус, но берусь предсказать, что закончится очередным военным переворотом и к власти придут настоящие отморозки. Будет свой 1917 на Украине. Это конечно, если российские войска не будут вмешиваться, чего лично мне действительно не хотелось бы. Ибо решайте свои дела сами, нефиг русским парням умирать из-за амбиций бабы с косой и нашего впадающего в боевой маразм президента.


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