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Paul&John 03-13-2014 01:40 AM

Bitcoin - buy or sell?
 
Hi!

So its going up and down between 600-700$/btc.. wtf, it should be more volatile then that.. sold a little at 700$ so I don't know what to do now.. or look for other alt coins?

mozadek 03-13-2014 01:53 AM

Buy coins and put it in bitfinex and do some margin trading to take advantage of price swings.

Paul&John 03-13-2014 02:15 AM

I've used bitstamp, but the problem is that, the swing is pretty low.. mainly from 630 to 670 or so..

jscott 03-13-2014 02:20 AM

I'm not going to stress anymore. If below $600 I'll always buy. Otherwise no need to constantly check the value, I plan to hold for a long long time :)

rowan 03-13-2014 02:24 AM

Buy an scrypt ASIC and mine altcoins. They're about $250-$280 right now and will mine at 0.4MH/s, drawing fuck all electricity (compared to a GPU). If you choose the right mix of altcoins, you can pay back your purchase price within about 90 days, and if you choose to speculate with ones that aren't yet listed on exchanges you could be lucky and have one break out (throw various pieces of shit at the wall, and hope some sticks.)

woj 03-13-2014 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by rowan (Post 20013627)
Buy an scrypt ASIC and mine altcoins. They're about $250-$280 right now and will mine at 0.4MH/s, drawing fuck all electricity (compared to a GPU). If you choose the right mix of altcoins, you can pay back your purchase price within about 90 days, and if you choose to speculate with ones that aren't yet listed on exchanges you could be lucky and have one break out (throw various pieces of shit at the wall, and hope some sticks.)

.4 is fuck all, that's about $50/month so would take 5-6 months to break even in the best case scenario.... but since difficulty will likely rise significantly in that time frame, realistically you are looking at more like 10-12 months to get your investment back and by that time the difficulty will likely be so high that the hardware will be worthless...:2 cents:

Lykos 03-13-2014 05:47 AM

Just buy buy buy and wait:)

PR_Glen 03-13-2014 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 20013745)
.4 is fuck all, that's about $50/month so would take 5-6 months to break even in the best case scenario.... but since difficulty will likely rise significantly in that time frame, realistically you are looking at more like 10-12 months to get your investment back and by that time the difficulty will likely be so high that the hardware will be worthless...:2 cents:

you are only basing that on BC alone though, he mentioned alt coins. It's more speculative, sure, but far from the worst idea i've heard on the subject.

woj 03-13-2014 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 20013778)
you are only basing that on BC alone though, he mentioned alt coins. It's more speculative, sure, but far from the worst idea i've heard on the subject.

I'm not basing it on btc... mining established alt coins with that hardware will earn about $50/month... unless you mine some really obscure one and happen to get lucky... but then it's no longer a business/investment, it's more like gambling..

Paul&John 03-13-2014 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 20013796)
I'm not basing it on btc... mining established alt coins with that hardware will earn about $50/month... unless you mine some really obscure one and happen to get lucky... but then it's no longer a business/investment, it's more like gambling..

then it's maybe better to buy up some alt coins for a few hundred total and see maybe one rises like btc :)

DAMNMAN 03-13-2014 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul&John (Post 20013618)
I've used bitstamp, but the problem is that, the swing is pretty low.. mainly from 630 to 670 or so..

He's talking about high frequency trading of alt coins with your bitcoins.

If you are selling BTC right now you will be sorry in less than a year. Wallstreet is getting involved in a big way. Price will soar soon.

DAMNMAN 03-13-2014 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by rowan (Post 20013627)
Buy an scrypt ASIC and mine altcoins. They're about $250-$280 right now and will mine at 0.4MH/s, drawing fuck all electricity (compared to a GPU). If you choose the right mix of altcoins, you can pay back your purchase price within about 90 days, and if you choose to speculate with ones that aren't yet listed on exchanges you could be lucky and have one break out (throw various pieces of shit at the wall, and hope some sticks.)

Where are you getting scrypt ASICs from. All I have seen are vapourware

Paul&John 03-13-2014 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DAMNMAN (Post 20013914)
Wallstreet is getting involved in a big way. Price will soar soon.

Any link to that?

rowan 03-13-2014 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 20013745)
.4 is fuck all, that's about $50/month so would take 5-6 months to break even in the best case scenario.... but since difficulty will likely rise significantly in that time frame, realistically you are looking at more like 10-12 months to get your investment back and by that time the difficulty will likely be so high that the hardware will be worthless...:2 cents:

You're probably thinking of BTC and its ever increasing difficulty.

There's a new scrypt altcoin (shitcoin) released pretty much every day. If you choose the right ones, they are profitable. You don't need to think about difficulty in 6 months because you will have moved onto another new coin long before then.

BTW, if you're only making $4 per megahash per day with scrypt you're not doing it right.

Wellness Cash 03-13-2014 10:20 AM

$50 a month mining bitcoin?

What planet are you people living on, if you join a good pool you can make much more than that, we're at Slush's pool mining and we're clearing almost $350 a month at the moment, before difficulty increased we were clearing over $450.

That's running several ASICs with a combined hashing power of roughly 50-60mhs.

Yes, the time it takes to break a block is increasing dramatically, but if you work smart about it, you can still make a good chunk of change.

There are also other coins we can mine with these ASICs once BTC difficulty surpasses the point of diminished return.

woj 03-13-2014 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by rowan (Post 20014082)
You're probably thinking of BTC and its ever increasing difficulty.

There's a new scrypt altcoin (shitcoin) released pretty much every day. If you choose the right ones, they are profitable. You don't need to think about difficulty in 6 months because you will have moved onto another new coin long before then.

BTW, if you're only making $4 per megahash per day with scrypt you're not doing it right.

What coin can you mine right now that will get you significantly more than $4/MH/day?

woj 03-13-2014 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Wellness Cash (Post 20014088)
$50 a month mining bitcoin?

What planet are you people living on, if you join a good pool you can make much more than that, we're at Slush's pool mining and we're clearing almost $350 a month at the moment, before difficulty increased we were clearing over $450.

That's running several ASICs with a combined hashing power of roughly 50-60mhs.

Yes, the time it takes to break a block is increasing dramatically, but if you work smart about it, you can still make a good chunk of change.

There are also other coins we can mine with these ASICs once BTC difficulty surpasses the point of diminished return.

$50 mining scrypt based coins with a hardware that is only .4MH/s...

Harmon 03-13-2014 10:44 AM

Dump it for whatever you can get for them and chalk it up for retardation. :2 cents:

Bitcoins will be like "huh? wtf is that" inside of 18 months.

:2 cents:

Don't be stupid. :thumbsup

jscott 03-13-2014 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Harmon (Post 20014105)
Dump it for whatever you can get for them and chalk it up for retardation. :2 cents:

Bitcoins will be like "huh? wtf is that" inside of 18 months.

:2 cents:

Don't be stupid. :thumbsup

So 18 months, means September 14th, 2015? Want to stand behind your words and place a bet?

If bitcoin is under $500 at that time, I pay you $100

If bitcoin is over $500 at that time, you pay me $100

Simple, small, but fun little bet :thumbsup

420 03-13-2014 11:11 AM

We're stuck here until there's news. Most alts are suffering as well. Will we get good news or bad?

If you've played it right, you're sitting on 'house' money so no worries.

See Cig 03-13-2014 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jscott (Post 20014111)
So 18 months, means September 14th, 2015? Want to stand behind your words and place a bet?

If bitcoin is under $500 at that time, I pay you $100

If bitcoin is over $500 at that time, you pay me $100

Simple, small, but fun little bet :thumbsup

im with jscott if youd like to make it it 200.

Seth Manson 03-13-2014 11:15 AM

I'd dump it and move on. If you're just into investing, there are plenty of things to put your money into that arent based on videocards solving math problems.

Harmon 03-13-2014 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jscott (Post 20014111)
So 18 months, means September 14th, 2015? Want to stand behind your words and place a bet?

If bitcoin is under $500 at that time, I pay you $100

If bitcoin is over $500 at that time, you pay me $100

Simple, small, but fun little bet :thumbsup

Totally. I'm in.

jscott 03-13-2014 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Harmon (Post 20014170)
Totally. I'm in.

Perfect, thanks man :) i'll bookmark this thread and note in calendar to check back around that time, we pay via one of the 3p's ok?

rowan 03-13-2014 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 20014101)
What coin can you mine right now that will get you significantly more than $4/MH/day?

That would be telling. ;)

There's one I'm mining now that is getting me around 0.011 BTC per MH per day, but that's just from a quick hunt. I'm sure there's better. I'm working on automating the whole process, which will be able to choose the best coin to mine.

Big multipools can't jump on the obscure coins because they'd absolutely obliterate them - some of the coins I mine have very low exchange volume - but there's nothing stopping a smaller miner from switching around...

mineistaken 03-13-2014 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Harmon (Post 20014170)
Totally. I'm in.

Congrats on cash :winkwink:

Penny24Seven 03-13-2014 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Harmon (Post 20014170)
Totally. I'm in.

Bitcoin has too many things going for it to hit rock bottom that soon. I am thinking about 3 years from now but I think it will be a close bet in 18 months for either one. 3 years from now I would bet 10K it is under. 12 months from now I would bet it is over 1K

jscott 07-10-2014 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20014494)
Congrats on cash :winkwink:

Would you like to take the same bet? :winkwink:

edgeprod 07-10-2014 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jscott (Post 20154583)
Would you like to take the same bet? :winkwink:

He'd have to find $100 first. :1orglaugh He seems to be on the wrong end of every crypto-currency prediction so far.

jscott 07-10-2014 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 20154597)
He'd have to find $100 first. :1orglaugh He seems to be on the wrong end of every crypto-currency prediction so far.

Ya lol, i guess i'd be wrong to be betting this guy.... same as stealing i guess :Oh crap

Minnniestaken how about just for fun friendly bet, $1 ok? and after you lose, i'll even not make you pay it, hows that?

xato 07-11-2014 12:58 AM

Buy and hold!

rowan 07-11-2014 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by rowan (Post 20014082)
BTW, if you're only making $4 per megahash per day with scrypt you're not doing it right.

Only 4 months later - how things change. These days you'd be lucky to make $1 per scrypt megahash. But of course the overall cost of hashing is much lower. With the amount I've paid for about 3.5MH/s worth of ASIC power between about February and May this year I could now buy 25MH/s+. There are now 500MH/s units available.


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