Republican Gov. of OK Mary Fallin, wants to tax sunshine
 

Yep you heard it here first. The Gov. of Oklahoma, Mary Fallin is expected to pass a law this week taxing people whom use Solar & wind to produce power. It seems Arizona is doing something similar but they call it a fee and the power company gets to collect it and call it profits.

http://news.yahoo.com/worlds-dumbest...111300623.html

Gotta love these Republican Governors, I guess they don't sign the same deal about no new taxes as their big brothers in DC do... Wonder why the tea baggers aren't all up in arms about this? Did Fox news forget to mention it and tell them to be outraged? :error:error:error

Attention GFY Republicans: Crockett has proven my case.

Goodnight!

I dont see nothing unusual in this,republicans are oil people so this is perfectly natural to expect.

I just read it it quickly but it seems they are taxing people who will be selling the energy back? This seems reasonable as it will be a source of income for them.

Did i read it wrong?

No, you are right and it is reasonable. crockett isn't

They are preparing to do this in the EU also. Fist they subsidized production of household solar energy and now they want to tax it... guess the state always wins :))

since when new taxes are ''reasonable'' ???

if it's their (side) business producing and selling energy, it should be simply treated as such and taxed like any other business too. no extra laws needed.

Oh look, liberals are all upset about taxing income. If only we could keep that going......

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I just want to be 100% clear that I understand your viewpoint.

You are against taxing income. Awesome. We finally agree on something!

I bet this will become more common. Our government gets a lot of money in taxes in gas. With fuel economy increasing and more electric cars coming on line, a lot less money is being paid in taxes....

Holy shit, taxing sunshine. What's next.

So you find it ok that in Nevada for example, the state govt made a law that allows the power company to charge a fee because you use less power due to creating it yourself via sun or wind? It's odd the excuses people come up with when their team is the one doing the taxing but when it's the other side oh boy the outrage flows.

Why is the power company being paid the tax then, in the case of Nevada?

Your article and thread are about Oklahoma.

Why are you changing topics?

No we are showing the hypocrisy of the Right. You guys bitch and moan at every little tax from the Federal govt, when it's so called liberals doing it, yet will turn a blind eye when it's Republican state governors doing it.

The same shit goes on in FL. So called anti tax Republicans have created fees for this like license plates. In FL you used to have to pay $100 fee if you registered a car with a out of state title. The courts said that was unconstitutional, so what did the Republican governor do? He signed a law charging everyone a $200 fee to buy a license plate. On top of this it costs me over $60 a year to renew the tag. In MA it costs $50 for the tags and $50 for a 2 year renewal. Even paying the inspection fee and the state tax on the car, it's cheaper than registering in FL.

FL also passed all kind of laws allowing power companies to subsidize their profits by charging home owners all types of fees. My electric bill when I'm staying is FL has over 50% in fees and usually the fees cost more than the electric I used. In MA for instance a so called liberal hell hold, my condo electric bill was always under $60/month.

Wait for that tax on air.

well... good thing you live in a van!

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i said how it should be - not how it is...

I brought up both Nevada and OK and the article covers both. Stop reading headlines and start reading content..

I have solar on my van...

It's for people who generate their own power and sell excess power to the power company. That already falls under income tax. This new tax is on top of that and goes to the power companies for use of their grid (as if that wasn't already factored into the amount they pay!).

This is essentially like the government saying content producers have to pay a tax to the paysite owners.

what is your case and where was it proven?

I read your article. Did not see Nevada. I ran a search for Nevada. Did not find Nevada. I then read your article again. Still did not see Nevada.

By the way, this was pushed through near unanimously in Oklahoma. So yeah, sure, Oklahoma would be predominately Republican. Boy does it suck when the ruling party pushes through laws and regulations. Sounds eerily familiar? where do I know this concept from?

This is really what it is, in the case of Nevada. As far as OK it would be them paying a second tax on the income to the govt. It's rather funny to see the excuses coming from the guys that always support the right trying to justify this. You can bet if it was Obama doing it they would be flipping out.

They should start a sunshine tax in the London and Shanghai. People will volunteer to pay tax to see the sun.

It is NOT an income tax, but a special '' duistribution '' tax . Once that paid, the producer of that solar energy will still have to add the income on his annual return ...

But, it is ok, glad to see that republicans finally see that taxation can be good !!! :thumbsup:upsidedow

OK so let's take a look at this.

Now here is a little information that seems to have been left out of the OP

http://openstates.org/ok/bills/2013-2014/SB1456/

One of the co-authors of the bill is... a democrat
http://openstates.org/ok/legislators/OKL000125/

Passed unanimously by the Senate
http://openstates.org/ok/votes/OKV00010301/

look at all those democrats voting yes.



Not quite so unanimous in the House, 5 democrats actually voted against it
http://openstates.org/ok/votes/OKV00010662/

but the rest of the democrats voted for it

So it seems to me that it's a pretty bi-partisan bill, but since it will be signed into law by an evil republican governer I guess those facts are irrelevant.


My Conclusion:


http://i.imgur.com/W4ehel3.jpg


Get over the partisanship, vote them ALL out.

So, if there is a new product and it is taxed, that makes it a new tax?

WTF does your article have to do with NV?

As you have posted no links to anything about NV I will make an educated guess and suggest it is because they are using the power company's infrastructure.

no, it makes it an old tax .... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

... and your point was ?

It isn't a new tax.

You Democrats bitch and moan about "Republicans" but don't have the foresight to see it's BOTH parties fucking up the US. It's like arguing about who's cancer isn't as bad.

lol ...... a tax for power delivered to the grid by normal folks is NOT a new tax ... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

And even if it is an '' OLD '' tax , how can that be OK with you republicans ???

Were you OK with the end of the BUSH tax cuts ( not a new tax ) resulting in a rollback to the former rate ...

That certainly was not a NEW tax ..

Your position is simple indefendable, just your senelity prevents you from seing it :2 cents:

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You should be incentivized to use alternative forms of energy.

It was Arizona.. I said NV, but it was AZ..

Of course it's both parties, however people here on this forum seem to believe the BS that Republicans are for less taxes. I'm showing that in reality they tax people more than the left on the state level.

Really? Thats what you are showing? You picked a random piece of legislation that no one knew about to make a point that 1/2 of the country are liars and hypocrites... and you think you've not only proven a pattern but made a rock solid argument?

Nice how Op got bitchslapped in backfire :thumbsup:1orglaugh
These fools (crocket + **********) will go overboard trying to dig something negative about republicans :1orglaugh
And the "scandalous" thread title :1orglaugh

I for one am shocked that the party of small government and less taxes in creating a new tax.

Oh wait, I guess I'm not really.

Where do you see bitch slap? I see people trying to make excuses for why it's ok for these Republican governors to sign off on taxing sunshine..

When are those who one to choose one side or the other going to figure out that it doesn't matter which side of the two party paradigm you chose both sides are in it for the same thing. To find ways of extracting as much cash as they can from everyone else. The better you are at conjuring up a scheme to do so and selling it to your other scheming cohorts the better you are a politician and the more you will profit then and afterwards.

To tax income.
And add retardation to the list if you still stick to title like "tax the sunshine" :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

And its ok with you they are doing this is discourage people from being independent on big energy? How does Koch Brother cock taste? lol

Only want a free market when it suits us.

If you want to be independent from big energy, then take your solar panels off their grid.


problem solved.

you got it :thumbsup:thumbsup

And when the Power Utility will need extra power during peak hours, they can ... burn coal or oil ... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Amazing how you cannot see the big picture here .

PS: We had, this cold winter, to import power from our neighboors and even buy back Kw from industries that we sell it too, at a very hefty premium ..

Gazette article

Amazing how you can't sort out what I wrote. I stated if you want to be independent of big power and their fees take your panels off their grid.

Notice how I didn't say anything about anything else, like saving the planet with your 3 solar panels. Or getting Oklahoma off big oil (fucking lolz) or anything other than a solution to shut up the whiners bitching about a fee to be on the grid.

That's not how the system works.

James Hughes, CEO of solar panel maker First Solar:::::::::

Small solar-system owners benefit significantly from ?net energy metering,? an arrangement that allows rooftop solar owners to generate more electricity than they can use at any one time, transmit that electricity to the grid and get credit for it when the sun isn?t shining.

In other words, customers who benefit from net energy metering as it is currently implemented are able to use the transmission and distribution grid as a giant virtual battery, ?storing? the excess energy they generate during the day until they need it when they aren?t generating.



Use the power co's grid- pay the fee. I don't like it anymore than anyone else. However, I realized a long time ago power co's are going to charge the consumers and the local gov is in bed with that.

Hell, right here right now in socal the power co is shutting down a nuke plant early due to mangement and operational errors- the cost of this mismanagement will be $3.5 billion dollars, which will be passed on to consumers.

You are wasting your energy. These guys have been so brainwashed into thinking left vs right that they find it inconceivable that another person can have views that don't fit within those two groups.

We already have strong mentions of Republicans, Bush and the Koch Brothers, all we need now is a mention of Fox News and our day will be complete.

That's excess energy I've generated that I've uploaded to the GFY grid for storage.

I plan to use it at a later date, most likely when ********** stops back by and says something **********-like.

right again !!!! ( as always ) .... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Here is directly from the OP link :

sell = storage : no
compensated = storage : no


please explain your issues with '' views '' .... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh