Funny 12click never been banned... banning thread... lol
 

12clicks:

12clicks' Position On Cross Sales
After reading the rash of threads recently regarding cross sales, it's clear that most people don't know much more about the subject other than whatever it is that's been yelled the loudest on the boards. As someone who is in the cross sale business, I thought I would respond to the hysteria.

Pre-checked cross sales are a legal, commonly used way of doing business that both Visa and Mastercard allow. When done correctly (as in, how I do it) there is a huge benefit to the program owner with very little risk. There is also a correct way to handle the surfer so as not to scare them away from adult sites altogether. When done incorrectly, the industry is put at risk.

Hidden, pre-checked cross sales are misleading, wrong, and most likely illegal. None of us should be surprised to see some large programs prosecuted by the DOJ or FTC for this underhanded practice.
I do not support them, condone them, or do anything besides pray for their demise. They hurt us all and we do not now, nor will we ever, do business with people who practice hidden cross sales. If we have a partner who turns to the dark side, we will drop them in a heart beat.


However, there has been way too much lumping together of properly done cross sales with the hidden, shady cross sale practices that we all know are going on. This is done mostly by the uninformed but also by some who's agenda it is to discredit a business practice that is not their own (in typical GFY style)


Take our model for example.
Our prechecks are fully visible and explained in detail above the submit button. There is nothing hidden about them. They are right in the surfer's face. However, if the surfer doesn't understand or somehow doesn't see the checkbox, he WILL receive an email in plain text (so as not to get caught in a spam filter) explaining that he has joined along with the website URL and more importantly, the CANCEL PAGE URL. There is simply no deception. But we go even further to protect the surfer. If, somehow, they didn't see the checkbox and didn't get the email, our descriptors that show up on their credit card statement have our toll free customer service phone number and our cancel page url. If they contact our customer service and ask for a refund, we refund them in full NO QUESTIONS ASKED. It doesn't matter whether they say,"I have no idea what this charge is" or "I just want to cheat you out of money" we give a full refund. All of that is to take care of the surfer!



We also have a few proprietary ways of protecting the program owner who sells to us from the small percentage of disgruntled surfers as well but that's not for public consumption. There's a reason we're better than our competition and I'm just not going to give it away on a chat board.

And just a quick word on retention. Since I also sell off some cross sales, I too, am very concerned about retention. Because of the way we operate cross sales, we've always enjoyed great retention. At a time when you hear people struggling for 3month retention, we're looking at many many many surfers staying with us for over a year. The myth that cross sales hurt retention is just that, a myth.

I'm currently working with some of the biggest most ethical companies in our business and there's a reason for that. If you're a program owner who's interested in cross sales, contact me and find out why.

the Shemp:

good post, 12clicks..

12clicks:

thanks Shemp

lazzlo:

do u have revshare? x sales even above the submit with revshare, the affilaite should get a piece

KRM:

Yes they have %60 rev share and they have the cross sales on those. Unless the affiliate gets a piece of that sales the revshare is bullshit. I understand having the cross sales on the pps as they are taking a much bigger risk but the revshare cross sales are bullshit if the affiliate is not getting a piece. Then again I hate all prechecked cross sales. I have no problem with unchecked since it's an option for the surfer and not shoved down their throat. Nice post though it's always nice to hear opinions from all sides.

12clicks:

I pay 60% instead of 50%
It's my business model. As an affiliate, you want stop asking for more until you're getting 100%
Those requests are irrelevant to me. You either like my business model or you don't.

lazzlo:

Do you always talk down to affiliates like that? Must do wonders for business.

12clicks:

xclusive and I go back a long way and can speak frankly on many subjects.

Who are you again?

lazzlo:

wtf?

lazzlo:

I'm not even going into it with that fucking lame ass "who are you again" bullshit. You made a public announcement here, then all the sudden now its only for xclusive? Here and GFY you talk down to affiliates, your not popular over there and I wonder why. I really dont care who you are btw. asshat.

12clicks:

that "who are you again" bullshit is always a tough one when you're a nothing.


And yes, dear troll, when I quote xclusive, my response is for him.

lazzlo:

troll? wow

12clicks:

What an arrogant ass.
I agree

lazzlo:

really

Dario:

LOL

Let me guess, Cyn wrote the initial announcements and 12clicks handled it from there.

Such waste of breathe

lazzlo:

12clicks gets a time out. It's a free world and we can all debate and not agree about things, call me a nothing, that's fine, but I'll be dammed if I will be called a troll on the board I mod at.

#beanersnitch
#beanerbender

BF after 2 years:

Why was this old thread dug up anyway?
Because it's a pure gem.

Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
So sad, no more bags of money washing up on the shore.

SON!
True dat.

Pearls before swine.

LOL LOL LOL

who the fuck is LAzzlo?

NEgro please.

12clicks, you truly are and always have been a Retarded Kunt.

Good Game Lazzlo. Good Game Sir!

Old or not, shows his shining stupidity.

good read beaner :1orglaugh :thumbsup

You forgot to post a link to the thread: https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=854572&page=4

That was about the time things really started turning really bad for affiliates. It was when CCBill set up a way for revshare sponsors to have cross sales without making it so affiliates could get credit. It's no coincidence that it happened right around the start of the tube era either.

There aren't many left like BV these days.

He forgot to mention how those flash game website xsales work

scammers gonna scam

Here's the link to the other part of the conversation on MP.

http://hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah...ad.php?t=73608

(Before people go on about being banned for posting a link to another forum, that isn't what the rule actually says. But you'll have to fix the link yourself.)

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

It appears their links have already been spammed to the point that it's been HAHA'd

so

haha
:1orglaugh

Funny how the game changes. What did he say about hidden, pre-checked the first time around?

I can't explain how funny it is to come across this thread as I finish up another day by the pool in miami beach.
Why do the pretenders pull out their tiny pee pees whenever they fall off their meds?

Too funny.

I don't know who you are but fuck you for being by a pool in Miami Beach while I toil away on my keyboard in my stuffy Manhattan office. LOL

Get a life people. And Beaner: dude, stop posting at 3 am man. LOL

EDIT: I don't really care what anyone does so wtfe. Carry on.

wowsa! A whole pool in Miami? plaaaaya!

"Hidden, pre-checked cross sales are misleading, wrong, and most likely illegal. None of us should be surprised to see some large programs prosecuted by the DOJ or FTC for this underhanded practice.
I do not support them, condone them, or do anything besides pray for their demise. They hurt us all and we do not now, nor will we ever, do business with people who practice hidden cross sales. If we have a partner who turns to the dark side, we will drop them in a heart beat."

Care to comment? Don't worry about it, no need. Just felt like pasting it again... :1orglaugh

If you want dirt on this guy 12clicks, you have to dig back a bit further than that.

We already know most of it... the thread was funny so I posted it. The irony of what a person says, and what a person does, is strong here.

I need my grass cut beaner. Drop me an email. It pays more than a month of what you're doing now

I will drive over the ben franklin when you get back from your vaca in miami with your boyfriend, what exit again? How much grass do u have?

Hope the sun came out again :thumbsup

Lots of sun today. :)
Good seeing you again

Just want to add there has been great weather in pa nj area today. Very comfortable for landscapers and roofers alike.

Also would like to add that people that purchase a flash game, ya know.... donkey kong and sheet, have emailed me personally and mentioned that an additional subscription to 12xshemale was much appreciated. They really needed that additional bonus :)

Hope you have a great vaca in miami and all your peeps are buying you shots

They tried many times, it takes him less than 12 clicks to delete your identity so people stopped trying.

Jimmy Cooper had a really good spoof/video on 12clicks. Can't find the video or remember the movie... sheetz

gooood band