21 clicks 20 signups
 

I just gut a new webmaster promoting my program, with 21 clicks and 20 signups :glugglug
Well even I don't think that our program is that good :1orglaugh :1orglaugh
What do you think is this CC faod webmaster an ass or what?

your site rox.

LOL

Yep, I was thinking more like 20 signups out of 28 clicks :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

how many ips?

as long as no chargback. keep counting the money

You can call me a sucker, but I'm going to do a refond on all this transactions
:)

... expect 20 chargebacks in 6 weeks time, just a day after he cashed your check !!

"You can call me a sucker, but I'm going to do a refond on all this transactions"

... a wise decission !

I don't think so :Graucho :Graucho
I've already closed his account and refond the transactions :BangBang:

Check the ip's that the signups came from... make sure they arent all on the same network, or all proxies.

Check the referring url to see where they are coming from.

Thanks for the info, but I've already did it, 15 out of the 20 are coming from the same IP.

edited::::::::;

saw you say the same ip.

nevermind.

Good... now post the guys personal info so we can all add him to our scrub lists.

Not yet, I'm going to give him 48 hours to contact me if he think that I've done him wrong.
If he will be able to prove me that it is only real signups, I'll pay him even for those that I have refond, but if he will not call me in 48 hours then you got his info :BangBang: :BangBang:

We catch Webmaster fraud every week on AdultPlatinum, but we have some pretty iron-clad detection.

Nuke the account and refund the trans, you can also ask your processor if the trans look suspicious on their end.

I'd like to see the number of chargebacks.

great signup rates are not always fraud. Certain types of sites (such as review sites) can generate very little traffic click-thru but near 80% signup because it is very highly targeted. Of course those numbers sound crazy, but I can imagine 1:10-1:30 not necessarily fraud...

If the IP's are all the same as you said, then definitely fraud is happening. Otherwise, don't jump the gun so fast. For a lot of sponsors I host their tours and as such they'll see something like 20 signups and 0 hits. Doesn't necessarily mean it's fraud. But in your case since the IP's are all the same, it looks that way.

WG

ya i wouldn't jump the gun. find out what you can first. but with 15 sign ups from one ip, something fishy is going on. wonder what his excuse will be?

I'm 100% sure it is a faud,
1. The 20 signups came in a period of 30 min, and stoped.
2. Out of them 15 had the same IP .
3. The Url that the WM registerd in our program has no banners of ours.
4. he is from Romania.

:321GFY

I always thought that ppl who cheat do this, because they are to stupid to earn money in the honest way.
But apparently some ppl are to stupid to cheat, too.
If I was going to cheat, I would send some traffic that usually converts at 1:500, but make fraudulent sign ups every 100 hits, so that I'd get a ratio of 1:100. That would be muich harder to detect I believe.
( myabe I shouldn't post it here, since some webmasters may make use of the advice... )

Post his info so I can ban his ass, if he ever joins..

Don't worry, they won't figure it out. What's so great about your dialer eh?

Hi Appeljacks, as I already said
"Not yet, I'm going to give him 48 hours to contact me if he think that I've done him wrong.
If he will be able to prove me that it is only real signups, I'll pay him even for those that I have refond.
But if he will not call me in 48 hours then you got his info and

:ak47: :ak47: :ak47: :ak47:

How the fuck could anyone be that stupid as to try something like that? :glugglug

it's not my dialer. But it's the best dialer in the industry :winkwink:

Lol dont tell the world shit man.

We often do 1:10 - 1:20 with all our sponsors with very highly targetted PPC traffic. We have had our accounts put on hold a few times and once we've been investigated they are happy again. No problems.:thumbsup

Well, you can do 1:5 with our programs, but I don't think they will all come from the same IP

Speaking about cheaters - why program owners don't share with each other the cheaters list, like some TGP's do?

Would you trust other sponsors info? What if a large webmaster was doing amazing for sponsor A. Sponsor A doesn't want them to leave so they announce to the other sponsors the webmaster is a cheater. No other programs would accept that webmaster and sponsor A is really happy about that.

Sponsors want to keep their whales as much as possible that this scenario would not surprise me. I would do it if I were in their shoes.

WG

Number 4 alone is enough reason to ban him. The other three just make you wonder what makes some people so fucking stupid.

You don't know anybody with more than one site?

:1orglaugh Must suck to be that devious and be too moronic to pull it off! I like the 20 sign ups and 21 clicks. Was that extra click supposed to through you off the fraud trail? :1orglaugh

Huh?

I read "number 3" instead of "number 4" in your post. My bad.

CC rippers are as queer as it can be

Shoot 'em all :BangBang: :BangBang: :BangBang:

Creative Spam

lots of cheaters around at the moment..........
well always.

that has lawsuit written all over it

You could say the same about shaving. Doesn't mean it's not happening on a certain level. Not saying its right, but its a very competitive business and you don't want to lose your biggest webmasters.

WG

thats a good way to lose a webmaster and credibility. chances are the whale has a ton of buddies in the industry. great way to make some enemies.