Westerners who convert to Islam, why do they do it?
 

Someone please explain the appeal to me. I mean, I can understand people embracing Zen Buddhism and try to find inner peace and all that jazz. But Islam? Call me stupid, but I don't fucking get it. :error

the same reason why you can understand people embracing zen buddhism..

The simplest and easiest way to explain it is that religion is an emotion. There's either something that touches you or it doesn't.

and some people like poo :winkwink:

Answer to that is very simple and it can be applied to any converter:it depend how good your "sales people" are.If you look at stories why woman convert to islam it always start with "she met a guy then she did that then that yada yada" . As religion is "opium for masses" ,you could say how drug which you currently use is no longer having a desired effect and you need something stronger :)

They don't like pork anymore.

But.... BACON IS PORK!!

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They like to be hated. They like to be pushed in the corner. So that they can display and talk extreme shit they know will upset and shock people... It's a form of atention and masochism... Rather to be hated then to be ignored.... if they could only admit they olny need a shoulder to cry at... and a pat on the head...

They marrie muslim partner maybe?

good question, I googed a bit and came up with some interesting views on it, here's 1, assuming you are referring to radicalized jihadists and not the peaceful practicing muslims.

https://www.google.com/search?q=the+...++muslim++west

Zen Buddhism = Nihilism
Islam = Mysticism

It seems to me that coverage about Ferguson is the most efficient opiate this month.

Please, explain your avatar. Thanks.

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One is peaceful, the other condones capital punishment for married women found guilty of adultery. The way I see things, becoming a buddhist is a quest to further oneself. Whereas becoming a muslim pretty much takes one back to the dark ages. But yeah, I see your point. :thumbsup

I was actually referring to any westerner converting to Islam, not just the ones converting straight to extremism. Great article though, nails it. It explains the attraction of just about any way for youth to rebel against the society they feel rejected them, be it radical Islam, nazism or being painfully emo.

The vast majority of us are pretty smart. We own houses, have jobs, raise families, and do well. But there is another section of society that barely functions.

For example, I have a friend of mine who has been in disability for the past twenty-five years. He functions as a normal adult, drives, cuts his own grass, but otherwise is mentally retarded and operates a sixteen year old kid. If you talk to him for ten minutes he seems fine. But if you talk to him for more than ten minutes you discover everything between 1989 and last year is a complete void - for example, he'll remember 9/11 was horrible and might remember planes were involved, but he couldn't name the city or the buildings involved.

These are the people that get suckered into this shit. Eventually they find a cause, and put a lot of effort into it. My friend is now a Knights of Columbus member and spends most of his time doing that. But sometimes people like him discover other religions, such as Islam, and some are taught to believe we are killing them for no reason.

loneliness, weakness, boredom, marrying the wrong bitch, being around the wrong crowd, the 777777777 virgins up there and the 4 women here don't hurt either.

I would guess they feel oppressed by the ways of the dominant theological beliefs.

Islam is no different than Christianity...BOTH are death cults who claim that there is a better life waiting for them after they die...stupid fools. :1orglaugh

I hope they all take the express route and get the fuck off the planet ASAP! :321GFY

Religions have striven their monopoly on stupid for eons now. It's damn near perfect and the mother ship should be here real soon.

For the same reason Muslims become extremists...they have nothing better going on in their life. The best way to fight Islamic extremism is to give young men a reason not to join their cause.

Mental illness

Life is treating them like shit right now, they blame the US, joining Islam is a fuck you to america.

Because the Koran is the direct word of God you dumbfucks. God recited the entire Koran to Mohammad so he could transcribe it while he was hiding on in a cave. Everybody knows this:321GFY

Also God wrote down the book of Mormon on gold plates and an ancient Hebrew guy buried it in what is now Manchester New York. He was the last "white" guy and everyone else had been killed by the darkies. Everybody knows this you fucking ass wipes.

Fucking idiots!!!! Oh and that goes for all other religions too!!!!

How do we know Mohammad just didn't make all this shit up?

Maybe he was on mushrooms?

he did make it up, and so did Joseph Smith and every nut that came after him. I think the term "megalomaniac" is fitting for these types of people

how do we know you're not making this up vikingman? life is a paradox

You aint had pussy until you've had Muslim pussy. :2 cents:

Well let's think about the responses here. The lowlife pornographer community is the one which is least likely to have religious beliefs, hence should we expect an objective or a subjective response to the virtues of religion?

Should we expect the average lowlife pornographer to "get religion"?

They have weak minds and need coddling before facing oblivion.

What's to get about religion? Some people need something to make them feel better about their fear and uncertainty in life. And to make them feel like they belong.

Actually Christianity, which is primarily based on the New Testament, preaches forgiveness and kindness. Nowhere does it encourage any sort of holy war against people of different or no religions. And, as opposed to the Old Testament, it doesn't condone any sort of violence as punishment for any crimes.

That being said you certainly can't ignore the millions and millions of people killed in the name of Christianity. However, that happened due to groups of Christians taking things way further than the scriptures commend.

BUT, unlike Islam, Christianity has undergone quite a bit of reformation and gone through an age of enlightenment, even if the enlightenment itself wasn't brought about by religion itself. Yet you can't deny the fact that many of the great minds during enlightenment were very religious. If I'm not mistaken Descartes (among others I think) was trying to prove the existence of God using mathematics.

Islam, on the other hand, is pretty much living in the dark ages, compared to other religions. Both in terms of the actual age of the religion and in terms of what its scriptures mandate. As I said above, not only does it condone but it actually mandates capital punishment for certain "crimes", apostasy being one of them. That in addition to publicly humiliating punishments, such as public whippings. In addition to that, the value of women is half of that of men, according to the Quran. In other words Islam, based on Sharia Law, is incompatible with the democratic societies that have evolved in the West.

Just like you I'm a staunch opponent of ANY religion. I attribute religiousness to weak and ignorant people, who refuse to accept scientific findings and simply seek to explain bad things in their lives by blaming anything but themselves ("It's God's will"). Although I have actually met some highly intelligent and strong people, with university degrees, being very religious. Go figure...

I guess my point is, if you're gonna choose religion, why the fuck choose the most backwards one out there?

I've had Arab pussy, although not Muslim. Fucking freaks in bed, would do anything and openly beg for it. Not in a submissive way either.

You think pornographers are lowlives? You're surely entitled to your own opinion, just as I am to mine, but I don't think pornographers are lowlives. I'd place them closer to blue-collar workers, albeit usually much better paid, rather than bottom feeders. But yes, it may easily appear that pornography is built on the exploitation of people, primarily women.

Still, how's that any different than bankers or lawyers? They too prey on the needs of people. Sometimes in much worse ways, albeit not entirely as obvious as porn. ALL occupations, legal or illegal, serve to fulfill people's needs. Some even create those needs themselves. Which I'd argue is in reality much more evil than creating porn to fulfill one of the most basic needs of humans.

And to explain all the bad shit that happens in their lives, over which they feel they have no control.

But yeah, you're perfectly right. My only point is, as stated above, if you're going to become religious why choose the most backwards religion out there? Could that be attributed to a lower level of intelligence among those people, since they haven't even bothered to explore other spiritual avenues to fill the perceived voids in their lives? That's my main reason for creating this thread to begin with.

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I think most of the people here aren't pornographer's.. in the meaning that they don't actually produce (shoot) porn.. they just resell memberships to paysites/camsites/dating sites etc..

Everyone likes to poo and pee. That is why you poo and pee (and all other developed animals too).

Although some might like it more than others.

I get it. You have something to fill your life with (one option). Praying often and similar stuff gives you a feeling of doing something. Or you can just play with Xbox all day long, whichever suits for you. :)

I'd rather play Xbox all day. There's research pointing to the fact that people spending lots of time playing games actually increase their mental capabilities. I'll take that any day of the week, over getting even more dumbed down by religion. But then again I'd argue that I'm reasonably intelligent, as opposed to most religious people. :)

Haha....... and 99% of those are not lowlives either, I was just being controversial.

However, the fact is that if you want to look for a place where you most like to find a secular community of people, the chances are high you will find it amongst a group relating to adult type products. Would it be a surprise to hear that?

When it comes to religion, its not as simple as people seeking security or trying to fill ones life with "something", it is about very simple thing spirituality and beliefs and lot of you just don't get it and never will... why bother trying?

Why not? We're "fucking around", remember? ;)

Actually, maybe it can even be a complex reason for choosing religion but don't forget that a religion like Islam. Again a western view of Islam these days is totally connected with terrorism and fanaticism and extremism. And I suppose its these things which are raising the profile of Islam and probably thereby attracting membership.

Whereas if you travel to any muslim countries Pakistan, UAE, India, Saudi, you just don't find it there..... I mean not much. A country like India has over 100 million muslims but not much terrorism.

I do believe in god but my reasoning is actually complex but i'm not trying to fill a gap. Im a business man, successful and no doubt 1%'er but I do have religious beliefs even though I don't have much time (ie don't go church as often as I would like).

I recently heard that Islam offers more of a community then Christianity. Not sure how or why but he was on NPR so I took his word for it.

Mostly agreed though, i believe we are forced thinkin of bunch of western youth moving twoards islam, it's a way of media service to create new jihadist robo cops, i mean it's like saying (hey everyone is going there,why don't you go?), though i think most of the muslim poppulation combined from imigrants,, the wrest is conspiricy vice versa.

on the otherhand, while we talk about muslim youth of West, we should also talk about other perspective of this issue.

i born and razed in a predominantly muslim country now which we can call it havving biggest islamaphobic youth or better to say anti islamic youth, you would see even the ones calling themselfs muslim are critisizing current situation of muslim World.

so we are no differant we are same, but we express our feelings in a differant ways.

to add up something, i can put an example here something from my life, i always felt sorry about how people from alavite sect in Turkey have been discriminated and false claims talked about them, now i prepair to marry an alavite girl, (keep in mind that i come from a sunni family)., because i see them to be treated unfair, suppose human psycology...

India is managing its diversity quite well, they have to cope with that. The main religion is Hinduism (80%) which has many more followers there than Islam. The daily morality or sole concept of God, Karma, Dharma, etc. plus the fact that you shall be truly born hinduist have all influence the tolerance for other religions. If you look at the neighbouring Pakistan, with 95% of Muslims, things are getting hotter. Plus we shouldn't forget that after the partition in 1947 Muslims went through the frontier to Pakistan, while India remained Hindu/Sikh shelter (it was a massive migration on both sides, being an effect of years of incresing tension on religious basis).

I agree to what has been already mentioned: religion offers easy answer which some people fear so badly, plus the east is far more "collective" as opposite of western individualism, where some people suffer loneliness. The promises of solutions, eternity, community and support can be tempting.

Islam and christianity does not have much in common 2014.

Who should take the express route and get the fuck off? Anyone going to church? Anyone praying for their sick child ?

Just wondering, no remarks about islam though.

They might all be fools, but christians does not in "our time" pursue other religious beliefs.

One could believe that earth without religion would be a better place, who knows but there's only 1 religion on earth today spreading terror.

I should also point out that I do not believe in a god.

if you are asking why people turn to peaceful islam then this is another story but radical islam is easy:

try staying pro-west and pro-democracy after the USA has been basically making a war zone out of your country over oil for decades....imagine having no future, because US foreign policy dropped more bombs than WW2 and made your country and livelyhood in to rubble...its not hard to turn to "radical islam" when there is nothing left...

lets look at radical christianity...the US got 9/11-ed and in the name of everything holy (US pride) the US army went and invaded iraq that had NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11 :1orglaugh

so to sum it up in one short sentence: US foreign policy is radical islams #1 recrutier :2 cents:

Incidentally I didn't post this with radical Islam in mind. I actually do understand that part, to a certain extent.

My question applies more to the people converting to "peaceful islam", as you call it. To me that equals with voluntarily refusing basic democratic freedoms people enjoy in the West. And then legitimizing a discriminating religion, part of whose goals is to transform society as we know it into one based on religious law (Sharia).

Ultimately I wouldn't give a flying fuck about religious law of any kind. But I do mind when the followers of that specific religion seek to impose THEIR religious law upon ME.

Yeah, they handled it well, they made a separate country just for the Muslims and split it off.