Vapes safer than cigs
 

Really?

E-cigarettes contain 10 times amount of carcinogens: Japan research

Maybe the disposable ecigs from the big tobacco companies, but that's about it.

It's not safe to turn nicotine (a poison) into "water vapor"?

I would like to know more about specific brands and models and how healthy they are compared with eachother.

Always been suspicous about vaping and almost knew something would be discovered by anyone looking into it.

Here's another question: I wonder if there's any vaping setups without any risks & dangers ?

I am not sure what in the liquid would break down into Formaldehyde for example - The culprit must be poor quality flavorings/additives that some more unscrupulous producers might use...

isn't formaldehyde in the tobacco leaves?

I'm highly suspicious of practically every "scientific" report these days - given the skewed agendas of a large number of vested interests.

Meanwhile, everyone awaits the FDA findings. Apparently they haven't finished spending the millions upon millions studying it so far.

Personally, I'd like to know one way or the other...whether vaping actually is harmful (in any way) - or a much safer alternative to cigarettes. But I have difficulty accepting the results of low-on-detail studies that smell like they have an agenda.

The article says that Formaldehyde was being produced by ECigs...

I am calling shenanigans:).....

Well I'm close to quitting them altogether now.Haven't had a smoke for 2 years so it helped me

It might be shenanigans.

I was assuming ecigs had some form of tobacco inside and tobacco contained formaldehyde.

Yea sure, the 3 ingredients in e-cig juice, food grade Propylene Glycol, flavoring they put in candy, and nicotine is more dangerous than burning all the 4000 chemicals that are in a cigarette and inhaling them. :1orglaugh

? Acetanisole
? Acetic Acid
? Acetoin
? Acetophenone
? 6-Acetoxydihydrotheaspirane
? 2-Acetyl-3- Ethylpyrazine
? 2-Acetyl-5-Methylfuran
? Acetylpyrazine
? 2-Acetylpyridine
? 3-Acetylpyridine
? 2-Acetylthiazole
? Aconitic Acid
? dl-Alanine
? Alfalfa Extract
? Allspice Extract,Oleoresin, and Oil
? Allyl Hexanoate
? Allyl Ionone
? Almond Bitter Oil
? Ambergris Tincture
? Ammonia
? Ammonium Bicarbonate
? Ammonium Hydroxide
? Ammonium Phosphate Dibasic
? Ammonium Sulfide
? Amyl Alcohol
? Amyl Butyrate
? Amyl Formate
? Amyl Octanoate
? alpha-Amylcinnamaldehyde
? Amyris Oil
? trans-Anethole
? Angelica Root Extract, Oil and Seed Oil
? Anise
? Anise Star, Extract and Oils
? Anisyl Acetate
? Anisyl Alcohol
? Anisyl Formate
? Anisyl Phenylacetate
? Apple Juice Concentrate, Extract, and Skins
? Apricot Extract and Juice Concentrate
? 1-Arginine
? Asafetida Fluid Extract And Oil
? Ascorbic Acid
? 1-Asparagine Monohydrate
? 1-Aspartic Acid
? Balsam Peru and Oil
? Basil Oil
? Bay Leaf, Oil and Sweet Oil
? Beeswax White
? Beet Juice Concentrate
? Benzaldehyde
? Benzaldehyde Glyceryl Acetal
? Benzoic Acid, Benzoin
? Benzoin Resin
? Benzophenone
? Benzyl Alcohol
? Benzyl Benzoate
? Benzyl Butyrate
? Benzyl Cinnamate
? Benzyl Propionate
? Benzyl Salicylate
? Bergamot Oil
? Bisabolene
? Black Currant Buds Absolute
? Borneol
? Bornyl Acetate
? Buchu Leaf Oil
? 1,3-Butanediol
? 2,3-Butanedione
? 1-Butanol
? 2-Butanone
? 4(2-Butenylidene)-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One
? Butter, Butter Esters, and Butter Oil
? Butyl Acetate
? Butyl Butyrate
? Butyl Butyryl Lactate
? Butyl Isovalerate
? Butyl Phenylacetate
? Butyl Undecylenate
? 3-Butylidenephthalide
? Butyric Acid]
? Cadinene
? Caffeine
? Calcium Carbonate
? Camphene
? Cananga Oil
? Capsicum Oleoresin
? Caramel Color
? Caraway Oil
? Carbon Dioxide
? Cardamom Oleoresin, Extract, Seed Oil, and Powder
? Carob Bean and Extract
? beta-Carotene
? Carrot Oil
? Carvacrol
? 4-Carvomenthenol
? 1-Carvone
? beta-Caryophyllene
? beta-Caryophyllene Oxide
? Cascarilla Oil and Bark Extract
? Cassia Bark Oil
? Cassie Absolute and Oil
? Castoreum Extract, Tincture and Absolute
? Cedar Leaf Oil
? Cedarwood Oil Terpenes and Virginiana
? Cedrol
? Celery Seed Extract, Solid, Oil, And Oleoresin
? Cellulose Fiber
? Chamomile Flower Oil And Extract
? Chicory Extract
? Chocolate
? Cinnamaldehyde
? Cinnamic Acid
? Cinnamon Leaf Oil, Bark Oil, and Extract
? Cinnamyl Acetate
? Cinnamyl Alcohol
? Cinnamyl Cinnamate
? Cinnamyl Isovalerate
? Cinnamyl Propionate
? Citral
? Citric Acid
? Citronella Oil
? dl-Citronellol
? Citronellyl Butyrate
? itronellyl Isobutyrate
? Civet Absolute
? Clary Oil
? Clover Tops, Red Solid Extract
? Cocoa
? Cocoa Shells, Extract, Distillate And Powder
? Coconut Oil
? Coffee
? Cognac White and Green Oil
? Copaiba Oil
? Coriander Extract and Oil
? Corn Oil
? Corn Silk
? Costus Root Oil
? Cubeb Oil
? Cuminaldehyde
? para-Cymene
? 1-Cysteine Dandelion Root Solid Extract
? Davana Oil
? 2-trans, 4-trans-Decadienal
? delta-Decalactone
? gamma-Decalactone
? Decanal
? Decanoic Acid
? 1-Decanol
? 2-Decenal
? Dehydromenthofurolactone
? Diethyl Malonate
? Diethyl Sebacate
? 2,3-Diethylpyrazine
? Dihydro Anethole
? 5,7-Dihydro-2-Methylthieno(3,4-D) Pyrimidine
? Dill Seed Oil and Extract
? meta-Dimethoxybenzene
? para-Dimethoxybenzene
? 2,6-Dimethoxyphenol
? Dimethyl Succinate
? 3,4-Dimethyl-1,2 Cyclopentanedione
? 3,5- Dimethyl-1,2-Cyclopentanedione
? 3,7-Dimethyl-1,3,6-Octatriene
? 4,5-Dimethyl-3-Hydroxy-2,5-
Dihydrofuran-2-One
? 6,10-Dimethyl-5,9-Undecadien-
2-One
? 3,7-Dimethyl-6-Octenoic Acid
? 2,4 Dimethylacetophenone
? alpha,para-Dimethylbenzyl Alcohol
? alpha,alpha-Dimethylphenethyl Acetate
? alpha,alpha Dimethylphenethyl Butyrate
? 2,3-Dimethylpyrazine
? 2,5-Dimethylpyrazine
? 2,6-Dimethylpyrazine
? Dimethyltetrahydrobenzofuranone
? delta-Dodecalactone
? gamma-Dodecalactone
? para-Ethoxybenzaldehyde
? Ethyl 10-Undecenoate
? Ethyl 2-Methylbutyrate
? Ethyl Acetate
? Ethyl Acetoacetate
? Ethyl Alcohol
? Ethyl Benzoate
? Ethyl Butyrate
? Ethyl Cinnamate
? Ethyl Decanoate
? Ethyl Fenchol
? Ethyl Furoate
? Ethyl Heptanoate
? Ethyl Hexanoate
? Ethyl Isovalerate
? Ethyl Lactate
? Ethyl Laurate
? Ethyl Levulinate
? Ethyl Maltol
? Ethyl Methyl Phenylglycidate
? Ethyl Myristate
? Ethyl Nonanoate
? Ethyl Octadecanoate
? Ethyl Octanoate

? Ethyl Oleate
? Ethyl Palmitate
? Ethyl Phenylacetate
? Ethyl Propionate
? Ethyl Salicylate
? Ethyl trans-2-Butenoate
? Ethyl Valerate
? Ethyl Vanillin
? 2-Ethyl (or Methyl)-(3,5 and 6)-Methoxypyrazine
? 2-Ethyl-1-Hexanol, 3-Ethyl -2 -
Hydroxy-2-Cyclopenten-1-One
? 2-Ethyl-3, (5 or 6)-Dimethylpyrazine
? 5-Ethyl-3-Hydroxy-4-Methyl-2 (5H)-Furanone
? 2-Ethyl-3-Methylpyrazine
? 4-Ethylbenzaldehyde
? 4-Ethylguaiacol
? para-Ethylphenol
? 3-Ethylpyridine
? Eucalyptol
? Farnesol
? D-Fenchone
? Fennel Sweet Oil
? Fenugreek, Extract, Resin, and Absolute
? Fig Juice Concentrate
? Food Starch Modified
? Furfuryl Mercaptan
? 4-(2-Furyl)-3-Buten-2-One
? Galbanum Oil
? Genet Absolute
? Gentian Root Extract
? Geraniol
? Geranium Rose Oil
? Geranyl Acetate
? Geranyl Butyrate
? Geranyl Formate
? Geranyl Isovalerate
? Geranyl Phenylacetate
? Ginger Oil and Oleoresin
? 1-Glutamic Acid
? 1-Glutamine
? Glycerol
? Glycyrrhizin Ammoniated
? Grape Juice Concentrate
? Guaiac Wood Oil
? Guaiacol
? Guar Gum
? 2,4-Heptadienal
? gamma-Heptalactone
? Heptanoic Acid
? 2-Heptanone
? 3-Hepten-2-One
? 2-Hepten-4-One
? 4-Heptenal
? trans -2-Heptenal
? Heptyl Acetate
? omega-6-Hexadecenlactone
? gamma-Hexalactone
? Hexanal
? Hexanoic Acid
? 2-Hexen-1-Ol
? 3-Hexen-1-Ol
? cis-3-Hexen-1-Yl Acetate
? 2-Hexenal

? 3-Hexenoic Acid
? trans-2-Hexenoic Acid
? cis-3-Hexenyl Formate
? Hexyl 2-Methylbutyrate
? Hexyl Acetate
? Hexyl Alcohol
? Hexyl Phenylacetate
? 1-Histidine
? Honey
? Hops Oil
? Hydrolyzed Milk Solids
? Hydrolyzed Plant Proteins
? 5-Hydroxy-2,4-Decadienoic Acid delta-Lactone
? 4-Hydroxy-2,5-Dimethyl-3(2H)-Furanone
? 2-Hydroxy-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One
? 4-Hydroxy -3-Pentenoic Acid Lactone
? 2-Hydroxy-4-Methylbenzaldehyde
? 4-Hydroxybutanoic Acid Lactone
? Hydroxycitronellal
? 6-Hydroxydihydrotheaspirane
? 4-(para-Hydroxyphenyl)-2-Butanone
? Hyssop Oil
? Immortelle Absolute and Extract
? alpha-Ionone
? beta-Ionone
? alpha-Irone
? Isoamyl Acetate
? Isoamyl Benzoate
? Isoamyl Butyrate
? Isoamyl Cinnamate
? Isoamyl Formate, IsoamylHexanoate
? Isoamyl Isovalerate
? Isoamyl Octanoate
? Isoamyl Phenylacetate
? Isobornyl Acetate
? Isobutyl Acetate
? Isobutyl Alcohol
? Isobutyl Cinnamate
? Isobutyl Phenylacetate
? Isobutyl Salicylate
? 2-Isobutyl-3-Methoxypyrazine
? alpha-Isobutylphenethyl Alcohol
? Isobutyraldehyde
? Isobutyric Acid
? d,l-Isoleucine
? alpha-Isomethylionone
? 2-Isopropylphenol
? Isovaleric Acid
? Jasmine Absolute, Concrete and Oil
? Kola Nut Extract
? Labdanum Absolute and Oleoresin
? Lactic Acid
? Lauric Acid
? Lauric Aldehyde
? Lavandin Oil
? Lavender Oil
? Lemon Oil and Extract
? Lemongrass Oil
? 1-Leucine
? Levulinic Acid
? Licorice Root, Fluid, Extract
and Powder
? Lime Oil
? Linalool
? Linalool Oxide
? Linalyl Acetate
? Linden Flowers
? Lovage Oil And Extract
? 1-Lysine]
? Mace Powder, Extract and Oil
? Magnesium Carbonate
? Malic Acid
? Malt and Malt Extract
? Maltodextrin
? Maltol
? Maltyl Isobutyrate
? Mandarin Oil
? Maple Syrup and Concentrate
? Mate Leaf, Absolute and Oil
? para-Mentha-8-Thiol-3-One
? Menthol
? Menthone
? Menthyl Acetate
? dl-Methionine
? Methoprene
? 2-Methoxy-4-Methylphenol
? 2-Methoxy-4-Vinylphenol
? para-Methoxybenzaldehyde
? 1-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-1-Penten-3-One
? 4-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-2-Butanone
? 1-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-2-Propanone
? Methoxypyrazine
? Methyl 2-Furoate
? Methyl 2-Octynoate
? Methyl 2-Pyrrolyl Ketone
? Methyl Anisate
? Methyl Anthranilate
? Methyl Benzoate
? Methyl Cinnamate
? Methyl Dihydrojasmonate
? Methyl Ester of Rosin, Partially Hydrogenated
? Methyl Isovalerate
? Methyl Linoleate (48%)
? Methyl Linolenate (52%) Mixture
? Methyl Naphthyl Ketone
? Methyl Nicotinate
? Methyl Phenylacetate
? Methyl Salicylate
? Methyl Sulfide
? 3-Methyl-1-Cyclopentadecanone
? 4-Methyl-1-Phenyl-2-Pentanone
? 5-Methyl-2-Phenyl-2-Hexenal
? 5-Methyl-2-Thiophene-carboxaldehyde
? 6-Methyl-3,-5-Heptadien-2-One
? 2-Methyl-3-(para-Isopropylphenyl) Propionaldehyde
? 5-Methyl-3-Hexen-2-One
? 1-Methyl-3Methoxy-4-Isopropylbenzene
? 4-Methyl-3-Pentene-2-One
? 2-Methyl-4-Phenylbutyraldehyde
? 6-Methyl-5-Hepten-2-One
? 4-Methyl-5-Thiazoleethanol
? 4-Methyl-5-Vinylthiazole
? Methyl-alpha-Ionone
? Methyl-trans-2-Butenoic Acid
? 4-Methylacetophenone
? para-Methylanisole
? alpha-Methylbenzyl Acetate
? alpha-Methylbenzyl Alcohol
? 2-Methylbutyraldehyde
? 3-Methylbutyraldehyde
? 2-Methylbutyric Acid
? alpha-Methylcinnamaldehyde
? Methylcyclopentenolone
? 2-Methylheptanoic Acid
? 2-Methylhexanoic Acid
? 3-Methylpentanoic Acid
? 4-Methylpentanoic Acid
? 2-Methylpyrazine
? 5-Methylquinoxaline
? 2-Methyltetrahydrofuran-3-One
? (Methylthio)Methylpyrazine (Mixture Of Isomers)

? 3-Methylthiopropionaldehyde
? Methyl 3-Methylthiopropionate
? 2-Methylvaleric Acid
? Mimosa Absolute and Extract
? Molasses Extract and Tincture
? Mountain Maple Solid Extract
? Mullein Flowers
? Myristaldehyde
? Myristic Acid
? Myrrh Oil
? beta-Napthyl Ethyl Ether
? Nerol
? Neroli Bigarde Oil
? Nerolidol
? Nona-2-trans,6-cis-Dienal
? 2,6-Nonadien-1-Ol
? gamma-Nonalactone
? Nonanal
? Nonanoic Acid
? Nonanone
? trans-2-Nonen-1-Ol
? 2-Nonenal
? Nonyl Acetate
? Nutmeg Powder and Oil
? Oak Chips Extract and Oil
? Oak Moss Absolute
? 9,12-Octadecadienoic Acid (48%)
And 9,12,15-Octadecatrienoic Acid (52%)
? delta-Octalactone
? gamma-Octalactone
? Octanal
? Octanoic Acid
? 1-Octanol
? 2-Octanone
? 3-Octen-2-One
? 1-Octen-3-Ol
? 1-Octen-3-Yl Acetate
? 2-Octenal
? Octyl Isobutyrate
? Oleic Acid
? Olibanum Oil
? Opoponax Oil And Gum
? Orange Blossoms Water, Absolute, and Leaf Absolute
? Orange Oil and Extract
? Origanum Oil
? Orris Concrete Oil and Root
Extract
? Palmarosa Oil
? Palmitic Acid
? Parsley Seed Oil
? Patchouli Oil
? omega-Pentadecalactone
? 2,3-Pentanedione
? 2-Pentanone
? 4-Pentenoic Acid
? 2-Pentylpyridine
? Pepper Oil, Black And White
? Peppermint Oil
? Peruvian (Bois De Rose) Oil
? Petitgrain Absolute, Mandarin Oil and Terpeneless Oil
? alpha-Phellandrene
? 2-Phenenthyl Acetate
? Phenenthyl Alcohol
? Phenethyl Butyrate
? Phenethyl Cinnamate
? Phenethyl Isobutyrate
? Phenethyl Isovalerate
? Phenethyl Phenylacetate
? Phenethyl Salicylate
? 1-Phenyl-1-Propanol
? 3-Phenyl-1-Propanol
? 2-Phenyl-2-Butenal
? 4-Phenyl-3-Buten-2-Ol
? 4-Phenyl-3-Buten-2-One
? Phenylacetaldehyde
? Phenylacetic Acid
? 1-Phenylalanine
? 3-Phenylpropionaldehyde
? 3-Phenylpropionic Acid
? 3-Phenylpropyl Acetate
? 3-Phenylpropyl Cinnamate
? 2-(3-Phenylpropyl)Tetrahydrofuran
? Phosphoric Acid
? Pimenta Leaf Oil
? Pine Needle Oil, Pine Oil, Scotch
? Pineapple Juice Concentrate
? alpha-Pinene, beta-Pinene
? D-Piperitone
? Piperonal
? Pipsissewa Leaf Extract
? Plum Juice
? Potassium Sorbate
? 1-Proline
? Propenylguaethol
? Propionic Acid
? Propyl Acetate
? Propyl para-Hydroxybenzoate
? Propylene Glycol
? 3-Propylidenephthalide
? Prune Juice and Concentrate
? Pyridine
? Pyroligneous Acid And Extract
? Pyrrole
? Pyruvic Acid
? Raisin Juice Concentrate
? Rhodinol
? Rose Absolute and Oil
? Rosemary Oil
? Rum
? Rum Ether
? Rye Extract
? Sage, Sage Oil, and Sage
Oleoresin
? Salicylaldehyde
? Sandalwood Oil, Yellow
? Sclareolide
? Skatole
? Smoke Flavor
? Snakeroot Oil
? Sodium Acetate
? Sodium Benzoate
? Sodium Bicarbonate
? Sodium Carbonate
? Sodium Chloride
? Sodium Citrate
? Sodium Hydroxide
? Solanone
? Spearmint Oil
? Styrax Extract, Gum and Oil
? Sucrose Octaacetate
? Sugar Alcohols
? Sugars
? Tagetes Oil
? Tannic Acid
? Tartaric Acid
? Tea Leaf and Absolute
? alpha-Terpineol
? Terpinolene
? Terpinyl Acetate
? 5,6,7,8-Tetrahydroquinoxaline
? 1,5,5,9-Tetramethyl-13-Oxatricyclo(8.3.0.0(4,9))Tridecane
? 2,3,4,5, and 3,4,5,6-
Tetramethylethyl-Cyclohexanone
? 2,3,5,6-Tetramethylpyrazine
? Thiamine Hydrochloride
? Thiazole
? 1-Threonine
? Thyme Oil, White and Red
? Thymol
? Tobacco Extracts
? Tochopherols (mixed)
? Tolu Balsam Gum and Extract
? Tolualdehydes
? para-Tolyl 3-Methylbutyrate
? para-Tolyl Acetaldehyde
? para-Tolyl Acetate
? para-Tolyl Isobutyrate
? para-Tolyl Phenylacetate
? Triacetin
? 2-Tridecanone
? 2-Tridecenal
? Triethyl Citrate
? 3,5,5-Trimethyl -1-Hexanol
? para,alpha,alpha-Trimethylbenzyl Alcohol
? 4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohex-1-
Enyl)But-2-En-4-One
? 2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohex-2-
Ene-1,4-Dione
? 2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,
3-Dienyl Methan
? 4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,
3-Dienyl)But-2-En-4-One
? 2,2,6-Trimethylcyclohexanone
? 2,3,5-Trimethylpyrazine
? 1-Tyrosine
? delta-Undercalactone
? gamma-Undecalactone
? Undecanal
? 2-Undecanone, 1
? 0-Undecenal
? Urea
? Valencene
? Valeraldehyde
? Valerian Root Extract, Oil
and Powder
? Valeric Acid
? gamma-Valerolactone
? Valine
? Vanilla Extract And Oleoresin
? Vanillin
? Veratraldehyde
? Vetiver Oil
? Vinegar
? Violet Leaf Absolute
? Walnut Hull Extract
? Water
? Wheat Extract And Flour
? Wild Cherry Bark Extract
? Wine and Wine Sherry
? Xanthan Gum
? 3,4-Xylenol
? Yeast

Whenever I see "industrial vapor" and "big tobacco companies" in the same reference I know its time to divest. Might as well go to a Dow Chemical plant and breathe deep.

FDA? Best science money can buy.

What is all that shit? You guys that smoke should grow your own tobacco.

Thats bullshit... Probably a study funded by a tobacco company...

If you poured gas in it I am sure that wouldn't be good for you either... You just have to watch what you buy...

When Tam and I quit smoking and started vaping we made our own E-juice... its a mixture of Propylene Glycol & Vegetable Glycerin and organic flavoring... (both approved by the FDA). we never even put nicotine in the stuff we made...

Helped us BOTH beat 30+ year smoking habits... Both smoke free for over a year now! :thumbsup

I got a buddy that still vapes HARDCORE for over 2 years... at the rate and volume that he vapes if it was worse for you than cigarettes then we would have buried his ass a LONG time ago!

nicotine is a poison, drink it and you'll be very sick or die. inhaling water vapor into your lungs doesn't seem like the best idea either but i'm guessing it doesn't create tar like the buring of a cigarette does so while i'm sure its best to not inhale anything other than oxygen, its got to be somewhat better than smoking.

I read this earlier this morning - what a surprise.

Hummmmm, my guess you sucking in whatever that nasty burning metal coil is made from has a lot to do with it. Along with whatever you put the liquid on

Nicotine is not a poison. It can be found in tomatoes, eggplant, cauliflower, potatoes, peppers, teas, and other food.

All the juice I bought is made in the US as I avoided the china ones. I still smoke regular cigs more than any of my e-cigs/vaporizers though.

Nicotine was used as insecticide until nicotine analogs replaced it.

1 cigarette has approximately 1-2 mg of nicotine
1 kg of the plants you listed has approximately 0.001 mg of nicotine

It can be lethal to humans in as small a dose as 60 mg. Average lethal dose is about 10 mg per kg of body weight.

I owned property that at one time had a "tobacco base" or allowed allotment to grow for a subsidized price. Not being a farmer at all but not being a dummy I sold the tobacco base rights to a neighbor who grew the plants on his own property. Allowed by the way.

Long story short if you saw the shit sprayed on tobacco leaves you would never smoke or chew again.

http://file.vintageadbrowser.com/l-2wew2xl5vz887z.jpg

http://cache.wists.com/thumbnails/a/...f0d0c0c9f-orig

I'm going to go cold-turkey again soon, safest bet.

As was caffeine - They are both produced naturally by plants for that same purpose...

As far as I know nicotine is no more carcinogenic than caffeine, if it is at all - You could die if you take too much too quickly, but that goes for almost everything.....

Wow, that is even surprising to me. I've always said they were most likely harmful from the beginning but I wouldn't have guessed it would be that bad. I'm sure more studies need to be done on them to confirm but even as a baseline study that is pretty revealing.

Well played..

that is normal, all the posin in cigs

governments don't know what to do with it + ecigs can advertise everywhere unlike big tobacco, so you can bet your ass that these kind of researches are heavily funded by them.

You guys are vaping the wrong stuff

My 1st recommendation when vapeing is to find a good quality vape shop or a knowledgable builder with real knowledge.


2nd. Vape from your own build or friends builds only. That cheap shit out on the mass market... well its cheap shit.


The mass commercial builds coming out of china are cheap and unregulated. They are using the cheapest material, parts, e-liquids and are not building them for health or performance in mind. Hence the low price.


I personally know Chadster. Chadster is the guy that pretty much pioneered custom builds, custom wires, etc and he is the guy that makes the very best and cleanest wires on the market. He had them custom designed and built for performance and not to taste like shit when you burn e-liquid.


Chadster is actually a network engineer, with a 6 figure salary.


Chadster is a Great guy. I am always texting him random questions that he is always happy to answer. He is the absolute authority on anything vape.

This is a vid of a custom build. Google him and his videos if you really want to know more about vapeing.



I also know the person who makes my e-liquid (Ballistic). I go to his spot and I have watched him make it. Its really basic and I know whats in it literally.


Copper Mods are the absolute best mods you can get. I do not recommend anything counterfeit. Originals will last you a lifetime.

A few pics from my custom Copper Beast Vape build.
I pic out, cut, wrap and shape my own wires into coil sizes to fit the ohms and Vape I want. I recommend 22 gauge Nuke wires (Chadster- Wires).


https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/...a4&oe=54D4ED40

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...1a5c49b8023ed7

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...db4eccf7acdfcb


If you have any questions feel free to contact me and ask. I will send you in the right direction. I do know my stuff when it comes to this subject.

Just Dave

I started using ecigs about two months ago (i have been using eon smoke brand) and I feel much better than when I was smoking ciggarettes and I'm actually not vaping that much either, only like twice a day. I used to smoke about one pack every day of bensons 100.

Plus the smell, now I can't stand when someone is smoking near me. As a smoker you don't realize how bad that smell is until you stop smoking yourself.

In my case I'm seeing the benefit and it has helped me not want to touch a cigarrette ever again.

I own 7 vape shops in Florida and not a day goes by that this is not talked about. It is funny to me to even compare smoking real cigs to the e-liquid. To me it is like comparing a glass of beer with Pepsi mixed in it to a glass of water and trying to say which one is worse for you

This guy is correct