Senate Report Reveals CIA's 'Brutal' Interrogation Tactics
 

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Common all you USA haters and Neo-con warriors we can fight about this one for days :P

No one interested?

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In Depth
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New York Daily News - ‎10 minutes ago‎


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Newsweek - ‎12 minutes ago‎


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the 13 techniques used on detainees
The Seattle Times - ‎22 minutes ago‎


Thirteen "enhanced interrogation techniques" -- interrogation methods -- are at the center of the Senate Intelligence committee report about the CIA's use of harsh interrogation tactics after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks. Here are the methods, as listed by a ...
Senate probe catalogs brutality against detainees
Businessweek - ‎1 hour ago‎


WASHINGTON (AP) ? The United States brutalized scores of terror suspects with interrogation tactics that turned secret CIA prisons into chambers of suffering and did nothing to make America safer after the 9/11 attacks, Senate investigators concluded ...
Bush was kept in dark on CIA tactics, torture report says
Boston Globe - ‎34 minutes ago‎


WASHINGTON ? For four years, according to CIA records, no one from the CIA ever came to the Oval Office to give President George W. Bush a full briefing on what was happening in the dark dungeons of Afghanistan and Eastern Europe. For four years ...

WTF is a rectal Feeding? Or, feeding what? :helpme

Bush and Cheney see nothing wrong with this

Most of the articles are saying Bush was kept in the dark -- that's scary in itself.

I don't see the ''evil emperor'' Cheney being absolved in these excerpts of active knowledge -- that's scarier.

We elected these Bozos ...

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After reading that, thats my question. We all know they are a bunch of sick NeoNazi fucks but rectal feeding? Multiple source re-entry of quality sewage?

`murica must be proud !

and no thread about the fucked-up US operation in Yemen that got 2 hostages killed , one that was to be released the following day ( South African citizen ) .

Oups, I forgot, non US lives do not count :2 cents:

Brutal, really? - Should I post the beheading videos?..

should I post shooting of civilians .... You cannot analyse a situation .. and see the implications ....
If iyt was only of you, the nazis in nuremberg would have received medals .

They literally pureed lunch of forced it into their asses.

The CIA report's rectal feeding and rectal rehydration horrors: At least five detainees subjected to humiliating forced nutritionha | Daily Mail Online

So many things could be said...

Mmmm, anal pasta. Don't knock it till you try it!

Some of you guys have short memories - Do a search on here and look at the threads just after 9/11 - Be careful what you wish for?..

It's interesting that people place a lower value on the fact that these people are actively trying to murder as many innocent people as possible, have murdered people and are detainees captured on the battlefield that are so brutal that their own countries won't even take them back, and are then upset to see them being even mildly uncomfortable (water boarding, sleep deprivation etc).

Of course, no one wants to talk about all those which were released in the name of "justice", which then went on to bomb and murder innocent people as well.

This whole discussion is retarded and a prime example of why a group like ISIS can claim such a massive swath of territory so quickly as they murder, execute and flat out exterminate everyone they can along the way, including women and children. They are playing by a set of rules that no one else wants to play by. Its a perfect scenario in terms of the tactical advantage it affords them.

How many were charged ?
How many were released without charges ?

Most of these people had nothing to do with 9/11 , were in Agfghanistan ( their home ) or kidnapped in other cities and '' rendered '' to be tortured. Some were just '' sold '' by neighboors for $$$$ .

Just last week, 6 were sent to Urugay .... no charges after 12 years !

Read a bit , and if you are still proud , go buy a swastika logo!



Rectal rehydration and broken limbs: the grisliest findings in the CIA torture report | US news | The Guardian

I could care less how many Taliban fighters, captured on a battlefield after harboring the worlds worst terrorist organization and committing more than enough of their own atrocities, were charged.

What does that have to do with me or Nazi's you witless turd?

Most of the Gitmo detainees were released without being charged with anything. Those remaining are those which their own countries will not accept back.

Many of those released were captured or killed on the battlefield later and some pulled of some spectacular murders of innocent civilians. So stop acting like there is a perfect answer just because you are Canadian.

And ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ONE of those captured in Afghanistan and held in Gitmo were NOT locals. They were foreign fighters.
Maybe you can try to "read" this: List of Guantanamo Bay detainees - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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directfiesta thinks the CIA kidnapped over 700 fun loving tourists from their spa appointments at the vacation resorts they were staying at and sent them to Gitmo for absolutely no reason at all.

Funny how much Intel these harmless tourists were able to give the international community about terrorist groups, funding, networks, plots etc.

Perhaps US NSA/CIA is monitoring the wrong people! :thumbsup

directfiesta is so dead set against America but winters in Florida because he can't stand the Canadian cold. If he hates America so much he should remain out of the country. :disgust

It would be a shame if a group of Patriotic Florida Rednecks read his Anti-American posts here and found out whom he is, when, and where he visits in the Sunshine State. :2 cents:

Gators get hungry in the winter and there is always room on those fishing tours for some Chum.:1orglaugh

A lot of people are saying this disclosure is ''scorched earth'' policy of the outgoing Senate Intelligence Committee Chair Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.

I imagine when they wake up in Europe and in the Arab world they will be screaming from the rooftops.

How many heads will roll this week?

Sounds to me more like a ''Plausible Deniability'' fail.

While I am not condoning this at all.... We need to remember how we felt after 9/11. This was a once in a life time event - Thousands had died, billions of dollars of damage had been done, and frankly we didn't care much about what we did or how we did it so long as the United States was protected.

I think this is a sad day for America.

Cue wehateporn to tell you it was an inside job done to make you feel that way.

The big problem in the *they had it coming -- look what they did to us!* thinking here is that it is the same type of thinking people express in justification of the Ferguson riots: *they had it coming -- look what they did to us!*

It's plain hypocritical.

There is nothing barbaric here in the capture and detainment without trial of enemy combatants as the jihadis continue to make war against the ''infidel.'' What is barbaric are the torture methods used. Fuck with the USA the USA fucks you back.



Michael Hayden's (Former Air Force 4 star General, Director of the NSA and then the CIA) reply:

I christen thee: Torturegate .

you mean the US army?...no terrorist organization can hold a candle to the US army...you can combine all the terrorist organizations from the beginning of time and they do not stack up the death toll for civilians like the US army...you must be talking about the US army right?

according to the US government and a "list" sent out by a spy agency in what "appears to be a fax", that was later "declared legit" by associated press? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

how do you know they "wont take them back" when its a secret prison, that is not even in US territory, under global scrutiny for non-transparency and underhand shit, how EXACTLY do you know the list of detainees and that their countries will "not take them back"?...sounds like US media bullshit for the weak in the mind?

again...how would you know this?...did the US media tell you?...I am not arguing that everybody is innocent, just wondering how you could possibly know this info, considering the only people in-the-know are the people at guantanamo bay themselves...

and 100% of the US army are not locals but americans who fly half the globe to drop bombs and murder force drafted civilians in the name of bacon ...your point?




now about your "list" posted by the same crew who found WMD in iraq: :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

americans see nothing at all wrong with their CIA henchmen killing off foreign politicians left and right, spying on other countries in the name of "peace and freedom" whilst unloading more bombs than hitler, killing 100x more civilians than all terrorist organizations combined...the american double standard is so huge that it is almost a part of american culture: "our shit CAN NOT stink" :1orglaugh

What you're proposing is beastly!

It's a "he"? I thought for sure it was a "she" and that its avatar was 100% the truth.

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And the best quote I read online regarding this:





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Some of the ZioNazi's in this thread have no clue.

He has aspergers. He's just trying to fit in with EonBlue. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Nope, it's more a thing of some US people believing that we shouldn't devolved into the savages that we are fighting.

Yep. It's pretty simple, "bad" people are "bad" because they do "bad" things. If we do "bad" things then we are "bad" too.

A lot of us would like to believe we aren't just another evil empire doing evil things in an evil world. It would be really nice if we could get some cooperation from our government on that.

Most of us have the common sense to know that you don't do this kind of shit to people. What do we do now? Tell our kids that this is the kind of stuff our heroic government agents have been up to? No wonder law enforcement has no regard for civilian lives. No wonder our government does nothing to reign them in. Seems you can wear a uniform and get away with literally anything, not just get away with it, get paid for it.

I got no problem hunting the bastards down and killing every last one if we are at war, even though that word doesnt mean much any more, but if we are at the point where we have to stoop to this garbage to find the bad guys, I say let the bad guys go for now, we'll get'm later. Not gonna go shoving rice pilaff up someone's ass to find them.

How long do you think it's gonna be now till a grand jury fails to indict a cop for anal feeding an unarmed civilan? Maybe they were resisting arrest or there was reasonable suspicion they knew were the bad guys were hiding the single cigarettes?

Exactly!

And people forget how we used Sadam's torture chambers as a reason to bomb Iraq.
But we are going to emulate him and not get bombed somehow.

Here is one of the typical stories :

Inside Saddam's torture chamber | Daily Mail Online

When the US starts beheading children because they won't convert then you can claim that you have devolved into savages.

British 'Vicar of Baghdad' claims ISIS beheaded four children for refusing to convert to Islam

Or when the US starts throwing gays off of rooftops and then stoning them then you can claim that you have devolved into savages.

ISIS jihadists say gay thrown off rooftop

Or when the US starts slaughtering elderly people in villages and turning younger women into sex slaves then you can claim that you have devolved into savages.

B?Haram Abducts 20 More Girls In Borno, Burn Houses





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For the fucking win. :thumbsup

Our government and their "friends" bring this shit upon us. Then they step back and marvel we have problems dealing with it.

Sorry, but ass rape for breakfast is not really a solution to terrorism.

Besides, consider that American citizens have beheaded other Americans and been convicted of it and we didn't find a need to go ass rape their families.

NY man decapitated mother and committed suicide by jumping in front of a train, police say - AOL.com

Here's for Canada : Killing of Tim McLean - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I never said it was a solution. But suggesting that it is on the same level as the things that terrorists generally do on a daily basis and on a much larger scale is ridiculous.

Those examples you posted are not examples of Islamic terrorism which is what I believe is being discussed here.

Nice to see that you had the common sense to remove the :1orglaugh from next to the Tim McLean link. That was pretty tasteless.




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Since the dawn of time men have fought and killed for a variety of reasons, sometimes defensively, sometimes offensively, sometimes just at the whim of a violent sociopathic or psychopathic leader.

Survival, has nothing to do with right or wrong. It has to do with confronting reality as it is. It has to do with a pragmatic and practical understanding of the enemy.

ISIS is running through territories murdering people by the thousands. No one here sheds a tear for them. No one feels the need to aggressively confront an obvious evil. Capture a bunch of ISIS murderers and detain them, and the same cast of characters will be lining up talking about their "rights", rather than the scores of children they beheaded, the rapes they committed or those they sold into slavery.

Hitler rolled through Europe and caused the deaths of many 10s of millions of people because jack offs spent all their days arguing for peace and hugs as a means to deal with a guy who was violating every arms agreement openly and gearing up to overthrow Europe. Same thing with japan. They went on a murderous tear brought Asia for decades and then geared up to attack the US and did it out in he open, in violation of every agreement and with idiot people arguing that if you just leave hem alone, they'll go away.

Here you are again. A bunch of jack offs arguing FOR bands of terrorists who ironically want to see each and every one pf you dead. You want to protect their "rights" and they want to saw the heads of your children and wife off with a dulll knife. That doesn't make you better. That doesn't put you on the high moral ground. That makes you ridiculously naive and only ensures that eventually, you and yours will be a victim.

You are fighting for the rights of people who want to kill your family in front of you before they kill you. That's hardly intelligent. I'm not saying there are great answers or obvious answers, but dealing with the situation and these people means first being able to be honest with yourself about who we are taking about, their intentions, their past acts, their connections to terrorist groups, how many were released only to plan and execute terrorist acts and so on and so and so on.

Why just don't we go tit-for-tat then?

When ISIS beheads a hostage we will summarily execute a Gimo detainee.

Will they stop if we meet fire with fire?

I would say that the desire for power by those with none, will always defeat the desire for peace when and where possible. The only true solution is to aggressively confront these issues before they get to the point that a war has to happen. But that's just not the nature of man.

Is that a yes or a no in Replicrat polito-speak?

Proof or Ban!

The clock is ticking, the post has been indexed, there is no retraction out on this 1.

If you are going to try to defame someone at least post facts.

As i've said many times... the issue is complex and I was attempting to address the tendency to over-simplify it. There are no easy answers. "release everyone" is no more practical and realistic than "kill everyone".

I am not sure why you think it makes sense to attempt to bait me into saying "we should kill a Gitmo detainee for every ISIS beheading" when the two are absolutely not related at all.

Is it really? I thought it was rather appropriate based on his past comments.

That is the point exactly -- there is no correct answer.

Our barbarity will not stop their barbarity. Nor will any compromise.

There is no mythical sword of Athena to cut off this Hydra's head (for either side).

It's not about who they are, it's about who we are. And I don't think anyone has any problem fighting, capturing or killing them. It's the the torture and the way we treat helpless prisoners that is wrong, not because of who we are torturing or whether they deserve it or not, but because of what it says about us and who we are.

It's been clear for over 400 years and well documented that torture is not an effective way to extract reliable information. We are just giving more ammunition to the enemy. We say they run on hate, we are giving them plenty to hate.

The early Christians were tortured by the Romans. Look how effective that was! Then the protestant movement was hunted and tortured by the Catholics. Yeah that stomped them out. There is no reason to think that torturing muslim extremists is going to do anything but feed the fire, and I suspect thats what the goal is, to continue the defense contracts and the war budgets and the surveilance and the over-reaches and the occupations.

So it's working, we just haven't been told what the actual goal is. If it's to intensify conflict and maintain a state of emergency then its very effective.

as posted in another thread:
Senators McCain Rockefeller CIA Interrogations | Video | C-SPAN.org