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wehateporn 12-16-2014 10:30 AM

Why Aliens Probably Exist
 

dyna mo 12-16-2014 10:36 AM

actually, that video shows better why aliens do not exist.

pornmasta 12-16-2014 10:38 AM

The secret is that aliens forget that they are, we then think that we are alone

wehateporn 12-16-2014 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20326663)
actually, that video shows better why aliens do not exist.

You mean because you haven't seen any and they should be here by now if there are any? Keep in mind that if they can travel here then they've also had time to invent the invisibility suit :2 cents:


brassmonkey 12-16-2014 10:44 AM

theirs one that starts mowing lawns at 8am sharp around here :disgust :1orglaugh:1orglaugh :)

aka123 12-16-2014 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 20326667)
You mean because you haven't seen any and they should be here by now if there are any? Keep in mind that if they can travel here then they've also had time to invent the invisibility suit :2 cents:

Or "not being here suit". It's much more fun to sit on sofa and eat Giro chips, salted, not stirred.

dyna mo 12-16-2014 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20326677)
Or "not being here suit". It's much more fun to sit on sofa and eat Giro chips, salted, not stirred.

:1orglaugh:thumbsup

CDSmith 12-16-2014 10:50 AM

Chariots of the Gods was more compelling than that video.

Notice I did not say 'convincing'. :D

dyna mo 12-16-2014 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 20326667)
You mean because you haven't seen any and they should be here by now if there are any? Keep in mind that if they can travel here then they've also had time to invent the invisibility suit :2 cents:


I mean because the video lists all the reasons we've yet to come across aliens, and them us, while not listing any reason at all for why there probably are aliens, other than subliminally suggesting we are assuming too much in our exploration and playing the odds of 1 in a billion (as if that's a big enough #) while waxing over the problem of why haven't those aliens found US either.

wehateporn 12-16-2014 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20326677)
Or "not being here suit". It's much more fun to sit on sofa and eat Giro chips, salted, not stirred.

Yes, they send remote control avatar which appears human, control it from their sofa in Zeta Reticuli :2 cents:

wehateporn 12-16-2014 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20326683)
I mean because the video lists all the reasons we've yet to come across aliens, and them us, while not listing any reason at all for why there probably are aliens, other than subliminally suggesting we are assuming too much in our exploration and playing the odds of 1 in a billion (as if that's a big enough #) while waxing over the problem of why haven't those aliens found US either.

From the Math perspective they are already here :2 cents:

dyna mo 12-16-2014 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 20326688)
From the Math perspective they are already here :2 cents:

:1orglaugh

that's funny!

lay that math on me.

pornmasta 12-16-2014 11:00 AM

they are racists and don't talk with monkeys

CDSmith 12-16-2014 11:04 AM

Aliens keep mostly out of sight for our own good. We're not advanced enough yet.

But they like to leave little confusing 'clues' to tease us. It's the Alien sense of humor at work. That and that whole abduction/anal probe thing.

Those whacky aliens.

PR_Glen 12-16-2014 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 20326666)
The secret is that aliens forget that they are, we then think that we are alone

someone find me an alien to translate this for me...

wehateporn 12-16-2014 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20326689)
:1orglaugh

that's funny!

lay that math on me.

Watch the video again for the numbers :2 cents:

dyna mo 12-16-2014 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 20326705)
Watch the video again for the numbers :2 cents:

i'm the one that mentioned the #s from the vid.

:1orglaugh

pornmasta 12-16-2014 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 20326698)
someone find me an alien to translate this for me...

Ok so aliens decide to come here.
When are here they forget that they are aliens.
And then we are not able to recognize them

hadden 12-16-2014 11:33 AM

The meta data on my camera proves aliens exist.

kittykatt 12-16-2014 11:39 AM

aliens do exist. obviously. thats not even a question. my issue is that my conspiracy theorist paranoid friend has now tried to convince me that I am being "gang stalked" and that "they" are "researching" me because I'm so intelligent. go figure. :1orglaugh:helpme

wehateporn 12-16-2014 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by kittykatt (Post 20326756)
aliens do exist. obviously. thats not even a question. my issue is that my conspiracy theorist paranoid friend has now tried to convince me that I am being "gang stalked" and that "they" are "researching" me because I'm so intelligent. go figure. :1orglaugh:helpme

They will give you injection while you sleep to sort that out :2 cents:

dyna mo 12-16-2014 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kittykatt (Post 20326756)
aliens do exist. obviously. thats not even a question.

wha'ts obvious? of course it's a question. a completely unanswered question. that's why it's a question. if it was answered then it wouldn't be a question.

aka123 12-16-2014 11:41 AM

As you bring the "math" into this, I already mentioned about the probabilities in another thread. Yea, you say that they have some invisibility suit, they avoid humans, etc.

But if there really are so much aliens, some surely want to be seen, "math proves it". If you stuff 100 different alien species in here, you mean that they are all like the same, behave the same, have the same goals, etc.?

wehateporn 12-16-2014 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kittykatt (Post 20326756)
aliens do exist. obviously. thats not even a question. my issue is that my conspiracy theorist paranoid friend has now tried to convince me that I am being "gang stalked" and that "they" are "researching" me because I'm so intelligent. go figure. :1orglaugh:helpme

You got any implants?


aka123 12-16-2014 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by kittykatt (Post 20326756)
aliens do exist. obviously. thats not even a question. my issue is that my conspiracy theorist paranoid friend has now tried to convince me that I am being "gang stalked" and that "they" are "researching" me because I'm so intelligent. go figure. :1orglaugh:helpme

No wonder why sometimes my butt hurts at morning and I can't remember anything. It's because I am so smart.

dyna mo 12-16-2014 11:45 AM

the new jaguars with the new 360 degree virtual windscreen will be able to see the aliens in their invisibility cloaking devices.


aka123 12-16-2014 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 20326764)

Yep.

http://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000042...al.jpg?164b459

kittykatt 12-16-2014 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20326762)
wha'ts obvious? of course it's a question. a completely unanswered question. that's why it's a question. if it was answered then it wouldn't be a question.

26 Pictures Will Make You Re-Evaluate Your Entire Existence
there is a much better video that i can't find right now, not about aliens but just about how little of the whole universe we have charted and explored. Its just statistically impossible for Earth to be the only planet with intelligent life on it

dyna mo 12-16-2014 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by kittykatt (Post 20326777)
26 Pictures Will Make You Re-Evaluate Your Entire Existence
there is a much better video that i can't find right now, not about aliens but just about how little of the whole universe we have charted and explored. Its just statistically impossible for Earth to be the only planet with intelligent life on it

no.


statistics are the polar opposite of fact. they are assumptions based on probability. tell a $250 million lotto winner that they statistically won't win the lottery and they will LoLZ at you and throw some $2500 champagne in your face.

the odds of life are so fantastically huge that we cannot comprehend that.

PR_Glen 12-16-2014 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 20326712)
Ok so aliens decide to come here.
When are here they forget that they are aliens.
And then we are not able to recognize them

ahhh a disguise!! I'm with you now ;)

https://img1.etsystatic.com/043/1/82...68437_sg2y.jpg

dyna mo 12-16-2014 12:31 PM

thinking tech capable intelligent life exists elsewhere as a matter of fact stems from the misuse of the term statistical probability, which has been spun into the incorrect phrase statistical certainty, which is a misnomer.

the statistics referred to in this argument is Drake's equation, which currently is showing that
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In November 2013, astronomers reported, based on Kepler space mission data, that there could be as many as 40 billion Earth-sized planets orbiting in the habitable zones of sun-like stars and red dwarf stars within the Milky Way Galaxy. 11 billion of these estimated planets may be orbiting sun-like stars. Since there are about 100 billion stars in the galaxy, this implies fp*ne is roughly 0.4. The nearest planet in the habitable zone may be as little as 12 light-years away, according to the scientists.
11 billion opportunities for life, the closest being 12 light years away.

the problem, as Fermi's paradox points out then, is where are they all? The OP video explains clearly how THEY should have found us by now, not the other way around. the entire galaxy is easily colonized in an extremely short period of time and we should have been colonized many many times over based on Drake's equation.

also,

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Even if planets are in the habitable zone, however, the number of planets with the right proportion of elements is difficult to estimate. Brad Gibson, Yeshe Fenner, and Charley Lineweaver determined that about 10% of star systems in the Milky Way galaxy are hospitable to life, by having heavy elements, being far from supernovae and being stable for a sufficient time.

Also, the Rare Earth hypothesis, which posits that conditions for intelligent life are quite rare, has advanced a set of arguments based on the Drake equation that the number of planets or satellites that could support life is small, and quite possibly limited to Earth alone; in this case, the estimate of ne would be almost infinitesimally small.

The discovery of numerous gas giants in close orbit with their stars has introduced doubt that life-supporting planets commonly survive the formation of their stellar systems. In addition, most stars in our galaxy are red dwarfs, which flare violently, mostly in X-rays, a property not conducive to life as we know it. Simulations also suggest that these bursts erode planetary atmosphere.
more

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Geological evidence from the Earth suggests that life on Earth appears to have begun around the same time as favorable conditions arose, suggesting that abiogenesis may be relatively common once conditions are right. However, this evidence only looks at the Earth (a single model planet), and contains anthropic bias, as the planet of study was not chosen randomly, but by the living organisms that already inhabit it (ourselves).

From a classical hypothesis testing standpoint, there are zero degrees of freedom, permitting no valid estimates to be made. If life were to be found on Mars that developed independently from life on Earth it would imply a value for fl close to one. While this would improve the degrees of freedom from zero to one, there would remain a great deal of uncertainty on any estimate due to the small sample size, and the chance they are not really independent.

There is no evidence for abiogenesis occurring more than once on the Earth ?that is, all terrestrial life stems from a common origin. If abiogenesis were more common it would be speculated to have occurred more than once on the Earth. Scientists have searched for this by looking for bacteria that are unrelated to other life on Earth, but none have been found yet.

seeandsee 12-16-2014 12:37 PM

i bet lizzard people smile on this video

pornmasta 12-16-2014 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by seeandsee (Post 20326830)
i bet lizzard people smile on this video

They don't smile but they sprtterchhzz and they pjkkkjlll, 2 feelings that are unkown for humans

kittykatt 12-16-2014 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20326786)
no.


statistics are the polar opposite of fact. they are assumptions based on probability. tell a $250 million lotto winner that they statistically won't win the lottery and they will LoLZ at you and throw some $2500 champagne in your face.

the odds of life are so fantastically huge that we cannot comprehend that.

but theres plankton on the international space station and tardigrades already survive in open space?.. I personally am more amused by the subterrestrial and multi dimensional theories. either way, i doubt theres going to be an answer any time soon and its not affecting me personally so for now, I'm just gonna keep livin my life :banana:drinkup

aka123 12-16-2014 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kittykatt (Post 20326863)
but theres plankton on the international space station and tardigrades already survive in open space….. I personally am more amused by the subterrestrial and multi dimensional theories. either way, i doubt theres going to be an answer any time soon and its not affecting me personally so for now, I'm just gonna keep livin my life :banana:drinkup

What does the plankton eat or breath there? You can put a human too in the open space, but he won't live that long.

There are just claims about the living plankton, nothing proved.

dyna mo 12-16-2014 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kittykatt (Post 20326863)
but theres plankton on the international space station and tardigrades already survive in open space?.. I personally am more amused by the subterrestrial and multi dimensional theories. either way, i doubt theres going to be an answer any time soon and its not affecting me personally so for now, I'm just gonna keep livin my life :banana:drinkup

Even if/when there is an answer it doesn't really matter, unless it plays out like a sci-fi flcik. if the answer is yes, we are alone, OK. If the answer no, there are some smarty pants 500 billion light years away, well, okey dokey too, what's the difference.


but it's a fun topic to discuss both sides of (for me anyway), since what we know/don't know can be used by either side to support their view on it.

TrafficPartner Wolfgang 12-16-2014 01:31 PM

Neat little clip...
 
... but I also have to think of one reason why we haven't met aliesn so far: fesgksdölkfjareöighracmydcölfölsy mcöydsgfaöflsöäsdvö,mdsyvös äwafdövc,msyödf ädwagkasödvd (Translation: Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here!)

aka123 12-16-2014 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TrafficPartner Wolfgang (Post 20326905)
... but I also have to think of one reason why we haven't met aliesn so far: fesgksdölkfjareöighracmydcölfölsy mcöydsgfaöflsöäsdvö,mdsyvös äwafdövc,msyödf ädwagkasödvd (Translation: Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here!)

I seem to speak alien, the accent is just a little bit different. :)

Scotty, sädetä minut ylös, täällä ei ole älykästä elämää.

pornmasta 12-16-2014 01:45 PM

höll˙ shīt thërë īs ¨ ëvër˙whërë

crockett 12-16-2014 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20326683)
I mean because the video lists all the reasons we've yet to come across aliens, and them us, while not listing any reason at all for why there probably are aliens, other than subliminally suggesting we are assuming too much in our exploration and playing the odds of 1 in a billion (as if that's a big enough #) while waxing over the problem of why haven't those aliens found US either.

Assuming there is no other intelligent life out there based on the universe being really old or that they haven't found us is not logical. First off, there are obvious problems with space travel and you can't just assume that every form of life has the same capabilities or wants to live in different extremes as humans can.

Lets take Dolphins for example. They are clearly smart animals and quite capable of communicating with one another. They have their own social groups and do things that show they aren't just a dumb fish living in the ocean.

Yet Dolphins don't fly aircraft, they don't build houses or fly in space ships. Why is that? Is it because evolution treated them unfairly? or could it be they have just evolved to suit their needs in which airplanes and space ships don't really fit their needs?

Added to this, we aren't even smart enough or capable enough to talk to Dolphins yet we know they are intelligent.

Meaning, just assuming that all advanced life in the galaxy would end up with the aim of space travel is sort of deluded. Perhaps there are cities of Sea Monkeys on Europa, but they have plenty of resources and have no reason to look else where. Would that mean they are not intelligent life, just because they don't want to or have no need explore elsewhere?

http://mentalfloss.com/sites/default...nkey_pic_0.jpg

FriendsForNow 12-16-2014 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20326663)
actually, that video shows better why aliens do not exist.

:1orglaugh

aka123 12-16-2014 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20326928)
Yet Dolphins don't fly aircraft, they don't build houses or fly in space ships. Why is that? Is it because evolution treated them unfairly? or could it be they have just evolved to suit their needs in which airplanes and space ships don't really fit their needs?

They don't have with what to build airplanes (hands). Humans are not dominating specie just because of our intelligence, whe are dominating specie because we have means (and will) to do things and to adapt.

I am quite sure that few stealth fighters could fit nicely into dolphins needs (like against dolphin hunters), but they have no means to build those.

The thing is that evolution has no purpose, no goal. Humans are not better evolved, we are just differently evolved. If evolution would have goal towards animals like humans, it would be more probable that there are more species out there like humans, but there is no such goal.

dyna mo 12-16-2014 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20326928)
Assuming there is no other intelligent life out there based on the universe being really old or that they haven't found us is not logical. First off, there are obvious problems with space travel and you can't just assume that every form of life has the same capabilities or wants to live in different extremes as humans can.

Lets take Dolphins for example. They are clearly smart animals and quite capable of communicating with one another. They have their own social groups and do things that show they aren't just a dumb fish living in the ocean.

Yet Dolphins don't fly aircraft, they don't build houses or fly in space ships. Why is that? Is it because evolution treated them unfairly? or could it be they have just evolved to suit their needs in which airplanes and space ships don't really fit their needs?

Added to this, we aren't even smart enough or capable enough to talk to Dolphins yet we know they are intelligent.

Meaning, just assuming that all advanced life in the galaxy would end up at the penitential of space travel is sort of deluded. Perhaps there are cities of Sea Monkeys on Europa, but they have plenty of resources and have no reason to look else where. Would that mean they are not intelligent life, just because they don't want to or have no need explore elsewhere?

but dolphins are very much not within the definition of technology capable intelligent life. that's the requirement here, not life, not somewhere between life and technlogy producing life, but civilizations that are capable of at the very least, what we humans are capable of. dolphins don't build spacecraft, for instance. they haven't gone to the moon.

dyna mo 12-16-2014 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20326928)
Meaning, just assuming that all advanced life in the galaxy would end up with the aim of space travel is sort of deluded. Perhaps there are cities of Sea Monkeys on Europa, but they have plenty of resources and have no reason to look else where. Would that mean they are not intelligent life, just because they don't want to or have no need explore elsewhere?

what you are saying is that you think the great filter is step 9 in Hansen's list.

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With no evidence of intelligent life other than ourselves, it appears that the process of starting with a star and ending with "advanced explosive lasting life" must be unlikely. This implies that at least one step in this process must be improbable. Hanson's list, while incomplete, describes the following nine steps in an "evolutionary path" that results in the colonization of the observable universe:

The right star system (including organics and potentially habitable planets)
Reproductive molecules (e.g., RNA)
Simple (prokaryotic) single-cell life
Complex (archaeatic and eukaryotic) single-cell life
Sexual reproduction
Multi-cell life
Tool-using animals with big brains
Where we are now
Colonization explosion.
you very well may be right. I happen to believe the filter happenS earlier.

Another possibility (for me) is that evolution in the universe would most likely be on the same timeline everywhere, consequently, no alien civilization has achieved the tech level needed to reach us in any capacity.

but I'm more inclined to think we're an anomaly.

crockett 12-16-2014 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20326943)
but dolphins are very much not within the definition of technology capable intelligent life. that's the requirement here, not life, not somewhere between life and technlogy producing life, but civilizations that are capable of at the very least, what we humans are capable of. dolphins don't build spacecraft, for instance. they haven't gone to the moon.

Technology is a condition that we set as a standard, but it doesn't mean that is the same for all life everywhere. What if there is a microbe type of life form that has mastered the ability to transfer its self from one planet to another by means of hitching a ride on asteroids. Maybe it can even steer the asteroid where ever it wants by farting in one direction or another..

No technology needed, it just floats in space with no technical abilities, hitches rides around the galaxy on rocks where it finally falls onto that planet and replicates as a virus then kills off anything in it's way. No arms, no legs and no technology as we see it needed yet it's conscious and knows what it does.

How can we just assume that it's not intelligent life, just because it doesn't fit in our narrow description?

dyna mo 12-16-2014 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20326954)
Technology is a condition that we set as a standard, but it doesn't mean that is the same for all life everywhere. What if there is a microbe type of life form that has mastered the ability to transfer its self from one planet to another by means of hitching a ride on asteroids. Maybe it can even steer the asteroid where ever it wants by farting in one direction or another..

No technology needed, it just floats in space with no technical abilities, hitches rides around the galaxy on rocks where it finally falls onto that planet where it replicates as a virus and kills off anything in it's way. No arms, no legs and no technology as we see it needed yet it's conscious and knows what it does.

How can we just assume that it's not intelligent life, just because it doesn't fit in our narrow description?

But that is technology

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Technology (from Greek τέχνη, techne, "art, skill, cunning of hand"; and -λογία, -logia[1]) is the collection of tools, including machinery, modifications, arrangements and procedures


And that's one of the debates re: Hansen's list. An Asteroid is a technological tool and the assumption is that Tool using animals also require big brains. That's based on earth biology, perhaps it is too big an assumption but I believe it valid assumption.

but I'm all for correcting the assumptions, but I think the list is pretty solid, especially when we take into account that we CLEARLY have not been colonized or even communicated to/with from ETs.

Let's assume your idea happens to be true, a microbe figures out how to hitch a ride on an asteroid. then the premise is they are intelligent enough to realize the value and need to colonize, that's why they caught that ride. That level of intelligence also is highly capable of communication, and other things.

crockett 12-16-2014 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20326966)
But that is technology





And that's one of the debates re: Hansen's list. An Asteroid is a technological tool and the assumption is that Tool using animals also require big brains. That's based on earth biology, perhaps it is too big an assumption but I believe it valid assumption.

but I'm all for correcting the assumptions, but I think the list is pretty solid, especially when we take into account that we CLEARLY have not been colonized or even communicated to/with from ETs.

Let's assume your idea happens to be true, a microbe figures out how to hitch a ride on an asteroid. then the premise is they are intelligent enough to realize the value and need to colonize, that's why they caught that ride. That level of intelligence also is highly capable of communication, and other things.


Ok, by definition it is, but it's not something we would assume as being intelligent life and we assume they would want to communicate with us.

dyna mo 12-16-2014 02:31 PM

crockett, also, if that microbe hitched a ride to Earth, why wouldn't it hitch a ride to all the billion other Earths in the galaxy, right? We'd know by now if there was a common microbe on Earth-like planets.

I think it's very fair to say we are absolutely alone in this galaxy, more than likely alone within the known universe and probably alone in the entire universe.


OTR!

MiamiBoyz 12-16-2014 02:40 PM

I was anally probed by an alien named Carlos last night (twice actually).

Mexicans count right?

crockett 12-16-2014 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20326975)
crockett, also, if that microbe hitched a ride to Earth, why wouldn't it hitch a ride to all the billion other Earths in the galaxy, right? We'd know by now if there was a common microbe on Earth-like planets.

I think it's very fair to say we are absolutely alone in this galaxy, more than likely alone within the known universe and probably alone in the entire universe.


OTR!

How do you know they aren't here right now? Maybe they farted their way through the galaxy and are killing humans off with cancers and by controlling Dick Cheney's mind?

Maybe they see us as we see a cockroach or an ant. Do you try to communicate with cockroaches or ants? Maybe they just want to kill us off and their concept of time is different from ours.

Maybe they are perfectly happy taking a few hundred years to kill off the human race so they can then farm broccoli on our planet while setting up shop on Europa to also kill off the Space Monkeys living in the ocean there.

Maybe their only goal is to kill and expand, making communication with others unnecessary.


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