French police raid - video
 

If these are French special forces, god help them in future or any kind of conflict. Bunch of unorganized people,without shock bombs, shooting on everything, eternity while door is opening,one running inside while others are hiding.......now I am starting to understand why terrorists managed to run away at the day of attack.

Uncensored version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpUb1erF2lM

is the guy they shot running out a hostage?

they said that he was terrorist. Stupid one, from what we saw.

same as many war movie

Indeed. Extremely unprofessional. I wonder how many hostages they have killed during this "storm operation"?

Biggest mistake is to think that you can let muslims in France and maintain "Liberté, égalité, fraternité" idea. They seem unprepared for any kind of serious action.

much less than in Moscow in 2002:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

wow, that one going inside, that guy have some balls! sure he went there to get to him from side and to minimalise the possibility for long shooting with all hostages killed, so, just, wow, man, respect i say, wow! :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

Don't think it's funny. The situation in Moscow was very different. It's like to compare a cockroach with an elephant. And one more thing. Nobody was killed during that operation in Moscow. There was not enough medical personal to recover people from a sleep (they simple choked on their own tongues). This is a barely mistake of special forces. This is a mistake of Moscow government.

hey guys, about the hostages, have you found that the guy on the floor is dead, before the cops even opened the doors? maybe all the hostages have been killed before? :2 cents:

and the shooting spree they are making, is just to get attention out of that one who went inside and at the end makes the terrorist to move out of his safe place? :2 cents:

How do you know that guy was dead but not just lying unconscious? As far as I understand, nobody will know now if they were killed before or during the police random shooting.

maybe. or maybe they used too strong gas. whatever it was, it wasnt a success at all.

its funny how you always pretend that Russia is the best :1orglaugh

oh man ... you just made my day! :thumbsup :1orglaugh :Oh crap and yeah, it will be really so hard to get informations from the hostages, or to recognize what bullet came from where ... oh, man ... :2 cents:

you just ,somehow, missed one thing,and that in moscow, Muslims were armed with dynamite vests.Many people, more terrorists, huge theater.

since one of hostages (that guy in black coat) just walked away in all that mess and since female attacker managed to avoid thousands of cops , maybe that question is not so funny at all.

These police guys looks really amateur...

If they weren't use a too strong gas, the terrorists would blow up the whole building. In this case there will be incomparable more deaths.

LOL Did you say "from the hostages"? They were scared as shit in all that mess. You won't get any useful information from that people. And that's normal because they are just regular humans. As about the bullet expertise... Who will do it? The independent structures or the government? You will see exactly those results as your government will consider necessary. The assassination of the US president in Dallas is still a mist for the World, so why do you think you will know the truth about regular citizens, killed during some anti-terror operation? You are soooooooooo naive :)

If we are talking about the same event, the special forces in Russia back then did their job PERFECTLY (unlike what we see here), but nobody (or at least not the standing by medical personal?) was prepared for the post-attack mayhem and this is what lead to the 100+ deaths.

you arm chair swat guys crack me up.

that was a textbook assault. there wasn't any finesse planned. look at the video again. the entire plan was to open that door and brute force bum rush inside with overwhelming #s and kill the terrorists and that's what they did.

Yes. It was a very serious fault of the Moscow government, and I have no idea why nobody was sued for that. The gas did not kill anybody. It just lulled them. The only thing they need to stay alive is a proper treatment... at least to not be put on the back to prevent a tongue chocking, but our medics have fucked it up. After that it was said there was not enough of personal, but who is responsible for that? The answer is Moscow government is, but not the special forces - those are killers but not doctors.

A very stupid tactic. How can you kill a terrorist, staining behind a hostage and using him/her as a live shield? The French special forces acted like idiots on that video. These are not professionals.

I totally disagree. the terrorists already killed 12 by hand + 3 of the innocent people in that grocery store.

there really isn't any option at that point. can't negotiate with that. can't wait it out, cut the electricity etc.

so the only strategy was brute force. After that, the fog of war clouds the event. The fact is those guys ARE professionals and they successfully completed the mission.

Lassana Bathily. A hero.

http://i.imgur.com/AeehfMHl.jpg

He's the guy who hid customers in a walk in freezer downstairs and went back up. The two terrorists burst into the market and opened fire killing the four that's when he took the people downstair. There is also another employee at the market who managed to escape through an emergency exit and briefed the police. You can go all conspiracy theory on us, we'll never know for sure but that guy on the floor looks pretty dead to me :2 cents:

he crossed the firing line of the others, that's pretty stupid
but then they compared these terrorists to former "pieds nickelés"
Les Pieds nickelés â?? Wikipédia

I didn't say it is. Perhaps the Israeli special forces are the best ones in the World. But I always compare. Especially because we have North en Caucasian region where such operations are a usual routine. So I know how the pro's really act.

Check out the video above. That's just an exercises of police specnaz. Look at the time the slide there: 0:00 - 0:05 the specnaz guys after training and the rest of that video is how slow and unprofessional the same guys there just a year before the training (yeah, just like the French special forces):

comparing a training exercise to a real event is apples and oranges.

At the other siege you can see them walking on the roof, take their time and use special forces gear to find the best strategy.

Inside Paris though the walls of these old buildings are half a meter thick, once the shutters are down, apart from intel on the hostage takers exact location (which apparently they had) not much you can do.

I like apples

Exactly. I'd love to hear how cyberseo thinks the Russian "Elite" police would have handled the situation in Paris.

GIGN Raid - Air France Flight 8969 Hijacking.

Storming a plane full of people 50 meters away is the most difficult of all exercises, this is the most successful it has ever been.



They are pretty good :2 cents:

Did they kill all th e kebab terrorists?
yes? Then job well done.

French fries for everyone!

yeah french fries and kebab for eveyone !

http://dan.doxdesk.com/file/Travel%2...tten-Kebab.jpg

They are not "Elite" (Elite is in the army), they are just special police forces. As about your second question, the answer is: as usually (usually means as fast as you can't even see what happened).









Here is the fatal way (no random shooting, one shoot - one target, no hostages hurt):

fucking uzbeks

In fact, most of them are from North Caucasus. Taking hostages is a usual thing for them. Uzbeks are rather peaceful people actually.

Recent daily mail article:

Police from around the world: How special forces from around the globe compare* | Daily Mail Online

:thumbsup

I don't know why people love comparing special force units like it's a reflection of their own manhood, badass by association.

S.W.A.T is the best.. no SOBR is the best.... bla bla bla.

These guys are all good, including GIGN Raid :2 cents:

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These people watch too much TV.

Ouvéa cave hostage taking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

if you can read french:
Prise d'otages d'Ouvéa ? Wikipédia

strange ... I agree with you :helpme

Yeah but while you were eating snacks and watching porn the "stupid" people went out and got the job done.

:2 cents:

Yes of course, but such a work can be done by the same amount of people armed with stones in a Hollywood way (100 people with stones can surely beat two terrorists). Watch the 3rd video from my post above. There were 3 kidnappers. One has shoot towards the police and got the shoot back (a single bullet which killed him), two others where taken alive. Can't you really see the difference?

I can see that I served in the Army and used weapons and trained in raid tactics and
I therefore have enough skill in it to know that I don't know shit.

You on the other hand don't realize that you don't know shit.

:1orglaugh

I was serving in the army too (it's a mandatory thing here). I'm an officer in reserve of the Russian army and I have no guess how it can be related to this thread. This thread is all about police (not army), isn't it? So what are you talking about?

this is the best Russian military video that I've ever seen :1orglaugh

I was sent the following:

I question a world that has capacity to talk about 12 French victims Charlie Hebdo but not the 2000 Nigerians killed by Boko Haram this week?

2,000 Nigerians were killed by Boko Haram this week: Boko Haram May Have Killed Thousands in Attack, Say Experts - NBC News

You know the answer to that.
Not even debatable.