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RummyBoy 01-15-2015 06:00 AM

Swiss Franc Soars 30% After Cap Removed
 
Europe thrown into turmoil as Swiss let franc soar - Yahoo Finance

Well a lot of people have been telling us to expect some surprises in 2015........ I think this is probably the first of many.

OneHungLo 01-15-2015 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by RummyBoy (Post 20358620)
Europe thrown into turmoil as Swiss let franc soar - Yahoo Finance

Well a lot of people have been telling us to expect some surprises in 2015........ I think this is probably the first of many.

Yeah I saw that gold jumped +$26.50!

RummyBoy 01-15-2015 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 20358696)
Yeah I saw that gold jumped +$26.50!

That's no big surprise, gold did really well last year (apart from in USD terms where it went down -1.5%) and there are just SO MANY fundamental reasons why gold and silver have to move higher that its almost baked in the cake. I already made this my easiest bet for the next five years to more than double from current levels:

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...highlight=2020

But that's not to say they wont be extremely volatile during the period....

pornmasta 01-15-2015 08:20 AM

i think it is a consequence of the money war with Russia.
But it is affecting the exchange rate between euro and dollar.

pornmasta 01-15-2015 11:24 AM

I think that it could mean the end of the euro

RummyBoy 01-17-2015 10:37 PM

Pretty historic move for a currency in a single day - don't know if that's ever happened before. Unsurprisingly, there's been fallout:

FXCM, Brokerage Hit by Swiss Shock, Gets $300 Million From Jefferies Owner LeucadiaÂha - Bloomberg

Swiss Franc Trade Is Said to Wipe Out Everest’s Main Fund - Bloomberg

I guess there'll be some more surprises in the run up to March....

iamBoogieman 01-18-2015 02:16 AM

Money war. Oil price drop affects all.

fappingJack 01-18-2015 03:22 AM

World war 3

RummyBoy 01-18-2015 09:16 PM

Bank Losses From Swiss Currency Surprise Seen Mounting - Yahoo Finance

Losses are mounting here.... I wonder if some big bank player made a MAJOR bet and lost big out big time.

OneHungLo 01-18-2015 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RummyBoy (Post 20362811)
Bank Losses From Swiss Currency Surprise Seen Mounting - Yahoo Finance

Losses are mounting here.... I wonder if some big bank player made a MAJOR bet and lost big out big time.

I Imagine they lost on the sudden collapse in oil price too. Hopefully gold will continue to rise.

Pwmp 01-18-2015 09:50 PM

Several brokers we're shut down over it. I believe the first was Excel in Aust. when they released the report, a few hours later Excel couldn't even meet the 1 mil. they require for firms to keep at all times.. Lot of mid sized traders wiped completely out. I made a few bucks from the blowback on usd-jpy I was in, but was glad to be miles from any trade with the Franc.

FlowerKid 01-18-2015 11:30 PM

Some other brokers are billionaires now.

Antonio 01-19-2015 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 20359079)
I think that it could mean the end of the euro

If I had a Euro for every time somebody says it's the end of the Euro, I'd be super rich.

RummyBoy 01-19-2015 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Antonio (Post 20363003)
If I had a Euro for every time somebody says it's the end of the Euro, I'd be super rich.

Exactly....... its not the end of the Euro but the Euro Zone is expected to announce substantial QE on Thursday and if that happens expect the euro to weaken even more versus the USD and gold probably will get a significant POP or it may strengthen the dollar even against gold.

Draghi Push Seen Delivering $635 Billion With QE Forecast - Bloomberg

But then the US will probably do QE4, as an excuse to match what the euro zone is doing.....

Barry-xlovecam 01-19-2015 06:58 AM

Euros are in motion ...

Finding safe haven.

The ECB QE is too little and too late.

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Importantly, it now looks as if National Central Banks (NCBs) will be responsible for purchasing the assets and will bear the risk ? as opposed to the ECB balance sheet, which is usually the case for monetary policy operations. This is to counter concerns about the pooling of fiscal risk via the ECB ? ultimately, all Eurozone states underwrite the ECB balance sheet so would jointly backstop any sovereign debt purchases. In practice, this should not have a huge impact on the way the programme works ? the money will still be injected into the Eurozone economies. It does raise question though about the single monetary policy in the Eurozone and highlight the constraints under which the ECB operates. [Update - further points here, if an NCB did not want to continue to purchase bonds the ECB would be unlikely to be able to compel them to do so. While this is unlikely it could arise since some NCBs are staunchly opposed. It could also become important from a legal standpoint as it would make it easier for a single NCB to remove itself from the programme if its National Constitutional Court ordered it to do so.]

Wrong To Assume Quantitative Easing Will Be As Effective In Eurozone As Elsewhere - Forbes
Too little and too late so the money moves to a safer place -- the Swiss just opened the floodgates. The EU won't collapse nor will the Euro but the entire EU will continue to be indecisive and dysfunctional.

"In my opinion, it will not cease, until a crisis shall have been reached, and passed. "A house divided against itself cannot stand."" ... Abraham Lincoln

RummyBoy 01-19-2015 09:36 PM

Federer on Swiss Franc Shock: "Does It Mean I've Got to Win Now?" - Bloomberg

pornmasta 01-19-2015 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RummyBoy (Post 20363050)
Exactly....... its not the end of the Euro but the Euro Zone is expected to announce substantial QE on Thursday and if that happens expect the euro to weaken even more versus the USD and gold probably will get a significant POP or it may strengthen the dollar even against gold.
...

if the european countries are unable to pay their debts in foreign currencies because the euro gets weaker, it removes one of the reason to keep the euro and it will probably increase the borrow rate of some states.

RummyBoy 01-20-2015 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 20364069)
if the european countries are unable to pay their debts in foreign currencies because the euro gets weaker, it removes one of the reason to keep the euro and it will probably increase the borrow rate of some states.

It's a good point..... but my theory has always been that it will continue in the way it has been ie everyone does QE together and race to the bottom.

So euro weakens for a while and everyone else is doing QE. Then the US has to step in and do QE to bring the USD back into line with all other trading partners and so on. Utimately everyone is devaluing at the same time and against only commodities and primarily non-government forms of money like Gold and Silver.

editeur 01-20-2015 01:15 AM

It seems like US badly wants to get rid of part of their debt via currency printing and devaluation, and US persuaded reluctant EU at last to join their ranks. So now capital has no place to flee to from the QE. Swiss Frank is too small for this.

thecatwrites 01-20-2015 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by RummyBoy (Post 20358620)
Europe thrown into turmoil as Swiss let franc soar - Yahoo Finance

Well a lot of people have been telling us to expect some surprises in 2015........ I think this is probably the first of many.

and there's more to come.

RummyBoy 01-20-2015 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by thecatwrites (Post 20364250)
and there's more to come.

Very true cat! Some big stories been made on wall street already:

How Swiss Shock Humbled the King of Leveraged Currency Trading - Bloomberg


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