amakings not being fair
 

I have been with amakings.com for months, and not had a single sale, so I thought I would test if the tracking is working, and signed up as a customer myself via a 1 day trial $3, just to see if the tracking will show a sign up. and it did.

but straight after that they suspended by account, after ive told them you can void this transaction as a test. how is testing to see if it working and admitting it is breaching their terms? wont even allow me to re-enable my account. after a $3 sign up only with no other sales :(

Lol.....I think everyone has had that same idea. But I'm sure you used the same IP address checking stats and then signing up.

yes but in 2 months i made 0 sales, and then a test order of $3, as well as admitting it was me. they still won't re-enable my account, that is just totally not fair.

This. Contact them and let them know you did. You will most likely get a response stating that your should have let them know you were doing it, but that would defeat the purpose. I remember way back in the day having the same thing happen with SunnyDollars.

Next time, give your buddy a few bucks and have him do it. :2 cents:

I did tell them it was me and this is their response:

Hi,

This is strictly against our terms, unfortunately we can not re-enable the account.

Thanks.

Maarten

If you dont had a sale in 2 month, why do you want to stick with them?

Find a better sponsor that will respect you and be thankful of your mutual partnership.

It may be in their terms to deter people from doing it... But, in the end they're the ones opting to enforce it or not.

I would never ban for such a thing. It demonstrates your willingness to give them another try.

I would have been happy you did it if you did it on mine. I would also help you better market this traffic, be it by adjusting my own site or suggesting changes to your promo.


How much traffic did you send in 2 months?

Find Maarten on here. I had a small issue with amakings and another program they have. He helped me out within a couple of hours.

For me amakings converts very good (1:3xx), however they dont pay via paxum/paypal/payoneer, only bank account :(

I dont push them as much as before, still have thousands of links up though that send traffic. Converts 1:4000 ballpark.

You broke their terms and conditions and then complain about being booted ? :helpme :error

Wait, so be clear on this: you signed up then notified them OR you signed up and they canceled your account and THEN you told them what you did?

Big difference.

The times are certainly changing. Yes, that is a fucked up move by amakings if you notified them prior to them killing your account.

If you truly notified them first, then thank them for showing their true colors and find a new sponsor.

This. :2 cents:

ok i did tell them AFTER they suspended my account. but really why would i fraud them for $3 with no history of other suspicious transactions.

so with that said, any similar sponsors anyone can recommend please?

So in your several month relationship with them, you've only cost them money and you are confused as to why they aren't interested in incurring additional expenses by dealing with you?

This is why it all makes sense. Open up some contact and make a dialogue with them. Link them to this thread. All will be forgotten. Trust me.
:winkwink:

Paper Street Cash

Was it PPS or revshare?

How much traffic were you sending ?

It's hard for me to say without knowing that whether no signups in two months is bad or not. That said AMAKings pays and conversions could be much worse.

I've read a lot of your posts on this forum and it seems to me you're trying to learn the ropes, which is fine, but you need to crawl before you can walk.

To this end, never do anything so blatantly idiotic as to click your own ads or sign up under your own links. That's called fraud :2 cents:

I get about 10 - 20 visits to amakings per day, a total of about 400 visits to my site per day. as you've read my past posts, you will know im still new and only converts very well with crakrevenue so far :)

So thread title doesn't make sense anymore. You got busted and they canned you.

Lesson learned i'd say.

Were you on 60% revshare or the $40 per sign up?

Busted for what gain exactly?

Not really. Slow down on the call out. I did it back in the day to make sure their shit was working (different sponsor). Got my suspended notice and called them. They told me to let them know next time I did it. This was PPS. I wasn't trying to scam, I just felt with the amount of traffic I was throwing at them, something had to be broken on their end.

Funny thing is, they (obviously) removed the sale, and miraculously my ratios went from shit to stellar withing a 12 hour time frame. Coincidence?

I'd say today, test sales are more important than ever. :2 cents:

Maybe I have no idea what I am talking about.

*Shrugs*

revshare, why?

Because that $3 purchase would have been worth $30.

20 visits * 30 days * 2 months = 1200

0:1200

A better test would have been to send more targeted traffic over that period.

imho he should have contacted them right after the test signup. In that case it would have been all fine by me as I understand there is sometimes the need for test. However doing a test, don't notify them, then get supsended for breaking their tos seems correct by me.

Hit them up and explain, if they re-open the account consider yourself lucky. If not then you can't really blame them either.

Maybe I have no idea what I am talking about either ;)

This...

IF "1" test is done that could have "scammed" then for $3, you send them traffic and they drop you....fuck them.

Run. Don't walk away from them.

did you contact them right after your "test sign-up" or you waited if they find out?

So his effort as an affiliate and his work wasn't worth more than 1.80$?

They're turning down 7200 visitors annually over 1.80$ and believe they won't make more together?

Getting bad press for 1.80$?

The more he brings the more you'll both make, no?

I value my affiliates a lot more than that and would never do such a thing.

That really doesn't matter, if they don't allow it they don't allow it.

Besides 7200 visitors a year is really not much to start with (specially not for Ama) but that's another discussion.

I can only assume most programs check their affiliate login ID's against credit card submits daily to see who's cheating. - I certainly do. And I find cheaters pretty frequently. They don't often get around my fraud defense but when they do it pisses me off.

And "oh I was just testing the tracker" is a pretty common excuse. It doesn't play well when it happens 10-15 times with different card #'s, and even if it is a legit test I still don't appreciate what is essentially a bogus signup regardless of the reasoning.

First of all the ONLY reason you should ever sign up to a website is because you want to be a member. I don't like it when customers come around with bullshit reasons why they joined, (usually expecting a refund) and I like it even less when affiliates do it.

Second, I don't appreciate people "testing my tracker." It's been tested exhaustively by far more qualified people than a random affiliate. You can just as easily test uniques . If it tracks the unique hit then 99 times out of 100 it will track your sale. If you are that suspicious that you have to deliver a bogus join to make sure you get credit then push somebody else. Or at least make a modest effort to cover your damn tracks.

Having an aged account with inactivity is classic scammer behaviour. For some reason people think only new accounts get reviewed for fraudulent activity. These days customers themselves are at least as shady as dirty affiliates and if it's worth the time to review sales at all it's worth it to review all of them.

I would be curious to know if the name and billing address on the card you tested with match your affiliate info on your account. If they do then shame on your for not covering your tracks better and using a different browser cookie, IP address and billing address than one that matched the affiliate database.

- And if it didn't then you essentially committed credit card fraud on your first sale (and not very competently I might add) so you are lucky all you got was banned.

How is this bad press? He caught caught, depending on how you look at it, scamming them. If he contacted them soon after the signup this wouldn't have been an issue.

He's been pretty evasive and may I say deceptive here in describing the incident, so I would be interested in hearing if it was a PPS or revshave sale from the actual sponsor. I don't know about you, but when I first started out I went right for the 30-40 PPS over reveshare. :2 cents:

That is not allowed and you know it, not only with a amakings but everywhere.
There are many ways to test it, but you choose one that is not allowed and I think there would not be any exception for everyone.
I'm sorry about your account, only thing that I can recommend to make sales without anykind of tests is the link in my signature.
If you have any question don't histate to contact me.
Have a nice weekend Buddy

Best suggestion for the future would be to contact your affiliate rep before hand.

SpookyCash would likely give an affiliate making sales a comp membership.

If an affiliate were genuinely sending traffic, but without sales, they would be unlikely to get comped, but why should any revshare program care if a genuine affiliate buys a membership?

It is not like any program is going to send a check for $1.80, so, at that level, the sponsor is out zero.

Welcome to 2015 man. 6-7 years ago, I'd get a sale in every 250 uniques with them.

Just signup for another account, you didn't lose anything -- so what does it really matter, if you want to keep advertising for them?

did you admit this to them before they confronted you?

I share your thoughts.


That's fraud. A ban is a ban. I wouldn't suggest it and it may get your earnings forfeited or worse.

He mentioned that he admitted it after he got banned.

same should apply payserve music pirates :2 cents:

+1 :thumbsup

I've seen a few programs put in their terms let us know before sending a test sale, like that makes any fucking sense, "Hey I'm about to send a test sale to see if your skimming me" :1orglaugh

What's suspicious is an affiliate sending such low traffic numbers and thinking there's a need for a test and that there's something wrong in the first place. Now if the aff had sent 30,000 hits or some crazy number maybe, but 1200 spread out over how long?

Come on now.

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Hey man, listen fucking carefully --> this is what we get here at the office for Amakings for the LAST TWO FUCKING YEARS on our systems. Look at it closely and then reformat your computer for a day and a half.

http://oi58.tinypic.com/fehz55.jpg



We gave up after 6 months, tried to contact, and then never signed up, and all the other sites are the same malware alert. It's been that way and no one will find out why. I was with them in the early days and totally respect the brand, and when I came back ready to do biz, this is what we saw - daily - (the screen cap was taken 5 minutes ago btw).

Notice it's from BOTH Kaspersky AND Malwarebytes. <--- You cannot argue nor debate with that.

I warned NUMEROUS other affil. managers over a year ago. and, just now I got off Skype 2 seconds ago with a highup affill manager with a big ass company (you all know) telling him about this very post that is going up.

Any of you who don't run Anti-Malware software with eXploit protection are fucking idiots and don't need to be in our business. I'm sick of companies and morons spreading disease around the Net like an STD with a hot bitch without being proactive in spreading their shit to the hackers that destroy our lives everyday.

Enough is enough. I've been around too fucking long to keep seeing this shit. I've mentioned it in other threads here, posts and so on. But morons keep a blind eye. In our business will you companies please run some decent detection software please?

Or maybe you're running fucking ridiculous AVG on your backend?!! W.T.F.

Idiots.

Or, at least, check your servers once in 2 fucking years.

Of course, unless it's intentional.

I'm not sure about Kaspersky but with Malwarebytes they don't block sites just for malware/viruses, they block sites for all kinds of reasons, just take a look at their forum for removal requests or at least read up on how those companies block.

Yes. And your point is?

"...those companies."

"Those companies" are the ones who warn assfucks about stupid shit on the internet. Ya know, like anti virus and shit.

The LEAST they can do - and I notice you have a 'hosting company' referral link in your sig - is to run MalDet on the backend. And that's not to mention exploits. Or is that hosting company a bunch of tards too?


meh

Removal requests? Hmm. Sounds like some companies are a bit pissed then? Maybe worried? Got busted?

Listen, MALICIOUS CODE is malicious code. End of subject. There is no going around that. There is no defense against it. If you aren't playing by the rules, and exploits are shown, You. Are. Fucked. By the Engines, by Anti-Virus companies, Exploit companies, etc.

It's been done since the earliest of days here. Anyone remember how it was in 1994, 95, 96, 97? Some of us here have been there, done that. If you don't play by the rules, you are fucked. That goes for Mainstream as well as Adult. Hosts included. You don't think your own HOST might be the culprit? And you become the victim? Or maybe you're running a Wordpress backend? Which I know Eric, Sly, et al. know completely about since the inception of GFY on VB. It. Is. A. Never. Ending. Battle. Always was, still is.

Either way, it doesn't matter, whether it be custom built, or custom tweaked, malicious code is still malicious code.

If you had Admin access to the server on the serverside, you don't see how powerful that position is? It might not be the client, some times it's the Host too. All possibilities remain. Think about that.

The problem is, Adult is the spread of this kind of shit. Remember a very famous multi-million dollar company that was exposed for spreading intentional malware, and caught in public some years ago? Notice the word 'intentional..."

I'd like to think ppl in this biz are on the up-and-up, but it's just not that way.

Mainstream is infected yes. But Adult is infected uber-times the amount of sites online at any given moment. And it SHOULD be a DAILY check for anyone running a fucking Sponsor program online raking in hundreds of thousands of dollars all the time.

When we posted about MoneyCult (not to mention the YNOT Virus that was the initial point of the posts)- here a while back about the same thing, those motherfuckers had that shit fixed in a matter of a day or two - maybe hours) - even though they did not respond to the thread - and that's fucking respectful. They at least realized that they MAY HAVE BEEN COMPROMISED. And my fucking hat goes off to them. THAT was cool. MoneyCult was compromised in a motherfucking --> SUB-folder, not Root. And no one knew. And, it was taken care of ASAP after posting here, even though we had gone to great lengths to contact them, the shit was still fixed. Same with YNOT. Shit. Got. Done. ASAP.

With that said, I don't want to see bullshit flying around about "yeah, well what about this, and what about that.."

Fuck that bullshit. Wake up you newbie idiots and smell the Internet for all the disease it is. And that's why it's a shame that Amakings has had auto-pilot on for over 2 fucking years and let this kind of shit happen.



.PS- I'm the one who called out the Home Depot hack 2 fucking months before it made national news. I kept telling them - almost begging them - to get in touch with regional management, but the two heads of their dept. wouldn't listen. (...and yes, I have proof - Skype me: riklear and I'll give you the names and fucking phone number to call at HD).

Amakings needs to get off the money train and auto pilot and check their servers so that all of you are not constantly infected with "...malicious code" <--- Read: "Mal-I-Cious Code.".

Secure your shit or you will be on a forum somewhere crying.

Otherwise, blame the fucking Chinese who bot your backend 5 times a nanosecond.

Yes, I said nanosecond. Or don't you have alerts in ConficServer active. Whether it be a Unix backend, CloudLinux or whatever the fuck you're running - you should stay in touch with your server every day.

When was the last time you updated your Kernel? Did you know that there are extreme PHP security updates just days ago by NIST? Did you upgrade your Apache last week for those updates?

Morons.

PS - Those updates will BREAK your WP installs by-the-fucking-way.

Newbies, and veterans alike, need to get on the band wagon and step it up a notch. Whether it be Russia, China, Ukraine or some schmuck sitting his grandma's basement - stay up on shit and GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER!



.:2 cents:


And on a side note, I'd LOVE to hear the horror stories with the GFY crew about ALL of the hacks they've come across over the long years. Ever think about that ya' all?

I'm sure they could tell stories about their servers and the attacks they've had that would fill an entire forum.

P-fucking-S-S: Don't come back with bullshit responses, this is about Amakings and their sub-sites giving us Malware warnings for about 2 years now. Only 'constructive' adult security-minded conversation please. Otherwise, I'll pounce on your ass like a kitten looking for a mouse in a bail of hay.


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This escalated quickly