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lezinterracial 04-02-2015 08:39 AM

How do companies stay open that never pull a profit?
 
Companies like Sears and Salesforce?

Sears hasn't pulled a profit it a long time. Salesforce has a rising stock price, but hasn't pulled a profit since they were created, back in 1999.

How do they do it?

Sly 04-02-2015 08:54 AM

Amazon is 20 years old. Never made a penny.

mineistaken 04-02-2015 09:07 AM

Few of the many ways to enjoy profit without company being profitable - high salaries at the expense of profit, supplying merchandise/services to your main company at pretty high costs (all profit stays at that supplier company).

aka123 04-02-2015 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 20437262)
Amazon is 20 years old. Never made a penny.

It has made few dimes.

AMZN Annual Income Statement - Amazon.com Inc. Annual Financials

TheSquealer 04-02-2015 10:29 AM

A better question is "why the hell should a company like godaddy be able to do an IPO in the year 2015.... Give their intense debt and having never turned a profit"

weewilly 04-02-2015 09:42 PM

Profit is not that important if you have a Positive Cash flow
A few non cash expenses
Writing off Goodwill
Depreciation

Also if your cash flow your overhead but the above make you lose many you can get Tax credits

Mutt 04-02-2015 10:24 PM

It's amazing, it's like it's a big scam run by Wall Street. If people keep buying your stock maintaining or increasing the share price then a company can just go on losing money - until the market loses faith in the company.

Spunky 04-02-2015 10:31 PM

Everything is a write off

sandman! 04-02-2015 10:56 PM

special math :2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

epitome 04-02-2015 11:00 PM

Leveraged debt.
Turnaround plans you can get creditors to believe.
Lots of other ways.

Mutt 04-02-2015 11:10 PM

In Amazon's case it's that they keep spending and expanding, they have oodles of cash but it all goes back into the business - their end game is that one day they will have this huge customer base and they'll be spending much less and become very profitable. And up until now investors believe in the plan.

freecartoonporn 04-02-2015 11:41 PM

what ^^ said is correct.,

they keep building new warehouses and buying things to expand business, so they can show no profit., but in reality that is not a loss that is investment.

EliteWebmaster 04-03-2015 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Spunky (Post 20437958)
Everything is a write off

Exactly. That's just it. It's a write off for most of these corporations.

How else can you explain Pepsi buying Taco Bell, KFC, and Pizza Hut at the height of their popularity and basically running all 3 businesses into the ground. It's all about the write offs.:1orglaugh

aka123 04-03-2015 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 20437955)
It's amazing, it's like it's a big scam run by Wall Street. If people keep buying your stock maintaining or increasing the share price then a company can just go on losing money - until the market loses faith in the company.

Well, no.. and yes. Depending what you mean. Stock price doesn't bring any money to the company itself, unless it sells its own stocks or issues new shares (that is usually based on listed stock price, but is not the same thing).

So, unless the company sells its own stocks in a way or another; it will go down without other money sources, like loaning money.

About the other issue; investing vs dividents. Theoretically it is considered that selling stocks to get money from raised stock price and dividents are the same thing as a money source, but I prefer dividents. Also in the case of large stock holders; you don't lose voting power with dividents, as it is usually vote per share (unless there is different stock series). So if you want to rule the company, dividents are always better than selling your power over the company.

aka123 04-03-2015 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EliteWebmaster (Post 20438002)
Exactly. That's just it. It's a write off for most of these corporations.

How else can you explain Pepsi buying Taco Bell, KFC, and Pizza Hut at the height of their popularity and basically running all 3 businesses into the ground. It's all about the write offs.:1orglaugh

And this write off benefits the company how?

pimpmaster9000 04-03-2015 04:18 AM

in the USA bubble=success ...perceived value is much more important than actual value...debt=success...

Sunny Day 04-06-2015 06:02 PM

Losses
 
Any Hollywood movie that makes a profit, you're going to see fired accountants. The whole goal of a movie is not to show a profit.
My girl friend's sister loves Titanic and refused to believe me when I said they might turn a profit about the year 2075, if that soon. Movie stars know to ask for money up front, as they get screwed if they ask for a percentage of net profits, gross profits, any profits.
Just ask Mel Brooks & Gene Wilder in The Producers. Show a profit, you're fucked

TheSquealer 04-06-2015 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20438097)
in the USA bubble=success ...perceived value is much more important than actual value...debt=success...

Well, you are from Serbia, where 3 chickens and a goat = success.

poncabare 04-07-2015 07:45 AM

potential


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