so when will the moderate majorities defeat the extremists?
 

the theme is the same, country after country.

in the middle east, islamic extremists have gone nazi in several countries, using the koran as cause. we expect other muslims to rise up & defeat them.

in israel, jewish extremists have gone apartheid on the palestinians, using the bible as cause. But nobody expects anybody to defeat them. they are not even covered in the american media.

in the USA, christian extremists get us into needless wars & regulate homosexual behavior, in the name of the bible. but these radicals keep winning elections. why are voters who oppose them staying home?

in all these cases, majorities who oppose these ideas simply carry on with their lives like they are not under attack. this is evident in off-year elections when only the extremists turnout their voters.

these extremists loons will be the death of us all. where are the moderate majorities? do they even exist?

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so true ......

Extremists, as horrible as they are, just exist. The cause doesn't matter. When there's no safety valve they can be rounded up and used for power by demagogues. Similar to a cult, they're full of fear of "the other" and "evil" and they'll undertake any atrocity in the name of their cause, however stupid it is.

Blaming, name calling, dehumanizing, saying things like "they should all be rounded up and killed or sterilized", are hallmarks.

They will throw over their families, they don't have any loved ones or friends, and their entire identity is defined by their adherence to their creed.

In closed system, they always win, until their owners get the power they need, whereupon they'll have their former soldiers executed in favor of a functioning system.

when they drag their sorry asses out and vote for someone other than a republican or a democrat

Like the Tea Party....

I think the reason for the problem varies from country to country. One thing is for sure. Poverty and lack of education breed extremism. When you have nothing and someone promises you something simply for following their rules, you listen.

Another reason is a lack of interest. Moderates have other things to worry about and are often disenfranchised. They are at work, raising families, paying bills and doing other things. The extremists are the ones who often are very politically active. They are the ones who often determine who the candidates are and everyone else just votes for them. Not to mention these candidates shroud the extremism in other messages. They keep their most extreme ideals to themselves and select audiences and sell the masses on things that matter to them.

Yes... but... euhhh... well... let's see.... the "problem" is... is that they are:

>...moderate...<

.... if you know what i mean...

I will tell you the root of the problem. The people who vote are those who see the world in black or white, good or evil, us or them mentality. They are much more easy to get to do things (like vote) simply because of this us or them group mentality.

The more moderate people (the brighter group of any population) usually is an individual who thinks for him or herself and therefore, isn't so much of a group joiner.

Since they do not affiliate themselves fully with either of the 2 sides (right or left) democrat or republican they do not feel the same need to get out and vote so they don't.

Unfortunately this is the fatal flow of the two party "system"...It makes the masses much more easy to control through manipulation. It is a no win situation. The less of 2 evils...who wants that shit!

"If you choose not to decide- you still have made a choice"... RUSH

I vote mostly AGAINST Things/People/Ideas... There hasn't been a lot to vote FOR in the last 20 or so years... :(

Helps keeps my Karma clean knowing I at least TRIED to stop some of the evil shit and folks that are fucking things up! :thumbsup

I was a moderate in my country and pleaded with people not to buy in to the war mongering propaganda, but the US bombs shut me the fuck up....

its hard for americans to understand they come from a country where they mourn the 2 year anniversary of a pressure cooker attack, but at the same time their country does daily air strikes on others...

you want more moderates? well do not destroy all their arguments with bombs, do not "blackwater" their population ect...I mean you guys kill off each other in the USA just look at the cops being trigger happy INSIDE the USA can you imagine what your army does outside? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

being moderate against the USA is a one way ticket to get butt fucked anyway...the US gov is no good will foundation :2 cents::2 cents:

Which radicals win elections in USA?

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Of course these are just "normal" people whom you would probably hang out with, to talk about what Obama did to you today.. However to the rest of the non right wing, they are pretty fucking extreme.

Voting is a waste of time and gives legitimacy to all the bull shit these politicians are doing.

I don't even see how its the lesser of two evils:

Obama vs Romney vs All Bushs Vs All Clintons
War in middle east? Check
War on drugs? Check
High taxes? Check
High military spending? Check

On pretty much every major issue they are exactly the same. Sure they are different, one wants a -1% tax and the other wants a +3% tax but with additional loop holes. One wants to actively bomb the middle east, the other doesn't want to but says we are forced to because we are already there and can't leave. Whatever... there is no difference.

The best thing you can do is opt out as much as possible, part of which is not voting.

I get this idea and I can somewhat agree with it, however it solves nothing and there is zero chance anything will change taking this approach.

Moderates = Soylent Green

"Moderates" are usually sheeple-types. Meaning that if it doesn't directly change their day-to-day life in a major way...they just don't care.

Extremists on the other hand, are by definition more likely to really, really be passionate about their bullshit.

And keep in mind that it's all a matter of perspective.
The people we might think of as "extremists" in their viewpoints...probably would consider a bunch of pornographers to be "extremists" from their perspective.

I don't think that the majority of people (moderates) will ever "rise up". The fact that they are "moderate" means they are kinda middle of the road with their personalities. More followers than leaders. That's just the way it is. :(

so you're saying extremists are the only ones worth following?

From my experience, moderates don't really have principles behind their views.

Example:
Anti abortion person will be passionate because they do not want to allow murder.
Pro Choice person will be passionate because they want to protect right of mother on her own body.
Moderate will not really have a reason for or against so they are like well maybe pro choice but I would never get one.

So while the others have an actual principle of life or liberty behind them respectively, the moderate has none.

If you truly believe abortion is murder, how could you not have a passionate opinion about it?
If you truly believe someones liberty is violated by not allowing abortion, how could you not be passionate about it?
If you don't believe anything specific about abortion, why would you ever be passionate about it? You would not.

we evolved when there were 100,000 of us in the world. You can be as crazy as you want with nobody around. When you pack people on top of each other, they start to go nuts, just like rats do.

" Among the males the behavior disturbances ranged from sexual deviation to cannibalism and from frenetic overactivity to a pathological withdrawal from which individuals would emerge to eat, drink and move about only when other members of the community were asleep. The social organization of the animals showed equal disruption."

There have been criticisms of the study behind this conclusion, but our environment is indisputably greatly different from that in which we evolved and we may be a little behind in adapting, leading to low grade stress all the time.

Perfectly stated. :thumbsup