Originally Posted by Mark-G (Post 20465577) Google is very anti-adult these days - I cannot get them approve any ads with ladies in bikini's or just giving "sexy smiles" or winking (no nudes). When you try to explain to them your side of the story - you will hit a "robot rep" and he/she will be keep saying that "they have changed their ToS" and no longer accept ANYTHING even remotely "sexy" (forget about nude or hardcore). I guess we need to look for other marketing channels - Google and Adult is no go for while now.... It's official!

Originally Posted by JenySmith (Post 20465572) some stupid situation with google. i wanted to promote my youtube channel with non nude video. So my hubby made a clip of me walking around in tight yoga pants, made another special edit of the clip where are no close ups and singed that video to adwords promote. it asked me to pay the money first. send them 50$ and ... they denined my video saying it is adult content. ok but they already charged taxes to 50$ and i read the forums and guys say no one got the money back from google in russia yet. isn't it pitty from such a huge company to do the things like this? why they ask money before your ask been reviewed? why do they charge taxes to not spent money? sorry guys im just so disappointed with that.

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 20465658) Sorry to hear that. Try again and they'll approve you, just be persistent

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 20465672) There are more subtle ways to promote adult other then going directly to a tier 1 site, that's an amateur move. They need to be persistent and see how other adult sites are successfully promoting via mainstream. Your welcome

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 20465689) Aka123 I like you, but I'm not here to educate you. I'll pay you to work for me and you can learn that way, but GFY isn't adult webmaster school. You can argue against the knowledge that I provide but you're just misleading people who don't know any better. It's almost like GFY had become the anti porn success destination lol

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 20465689) Aka123 I like you, but I'm not here to educate you. I'll pay you to work for me and you can learn that way, but GFY isn't adult webmaster school. You can argue against the knowledge that I provide but you're just misleading people who don't know any better. It's almost like GFY had become the anti porn success destination lol

Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 20465705) GFY is totally webmaster school, at least in part. Why answer a question, if not to educate? Why ask, if not to learn? I've learned tons of things on this site and I've shared my own knowledge.

Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20465704) Actually I work in mainstream (so far), but you could at least tell what is wrong in what I said. It wouldn't have required any more space. The longer the funnel is, the more drops out, and the more is the cost per conversion. Though it might still be profitable, but why do it with Adwords, when you can have cheaper traffic from elsewhere?

I've had a profitable adult pay site for 15 years now. Since then I've branched out and created more paysites, with another one in the works.

Some people over the years have become very good with Adwords and can target traffic extremely well. For those people Adwords is a form of cheap targeted converting traffic.

There will always be someone between you and your online prospects, whether it be Google, an ISP, Social Media, etc. Google, ISP's, Social Media (for the most part) have all made it clear they don't want outright adult in peoples faces.

Spammers have totally destroyed it for legitimate business people in adult, well not destroyed it, but made it very difficult for us to be seen nowadays. A lot of spammers have no idea they've been relegated to virtual black holes on social media sites where they're not actually communicating with the masses. Some ISP's, and countries, block adult sites. The people in power have been dividing, and conquering, the internet for a while now, cutting it into little platforms with their own anti adult policies. The list goes on. To be very successful you need to come in clean, and stay clean.

It's best to have a property or two that's PG and serves the interest of your niche. Adwords will accept your site for advertising. You lose a lot less traffic filtering through that way. I know a couple people that do this, and it works very well for them.

Again, this is not for gaming the Adwords system in any way, or spamming, it's giving them what they want, on their terms, to get what you want. They want ads to be useful, varied, relevant and safe. They want sites not created primarily for traffic generation or gateway sites, so give it to them while serving the interest of your niche. If you aren't, or haven't been, interested enough in your niche to create something of value for them outside of porn then don't use adwords.

Successful long term mainstream promotion for adult means you are subtle, don't link (most of the time, on most platforms), and a list of other things. I call it passive promotion. I'm sure there's some other name for it but that's what I call it.

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 20465766) I've had a profitable adult pay site for 15 years now. Since then I've branched out and created more paysites, with another one in the works. Some people over the years have become very good with Adwords and can target traffic extremely well. For those people Adwords is a form of cheap targeted converting traffic. There will always be someone between you and your online prospects, whether it be Google, an ISP, Social Media, etc. Google, ISP's, Social Media (for the most part) have all made it clear they don't want outright adult in peoples faces. Spammers have totally destroyed it for legitimate business people in adult, well not destroyed it, but made it very difficult for us to be seen nowadays. A lot of spammers have no idea they've been relegated to virtual black holes on social media sites where they're not actually communicating with the masses. Some ISP's, and countries, block adult sites. The people in power have been dividing, and conquering, the internet for a while now, cutting it into little platforms with their own anti adult policies. The list goes on. To be very successful you need to come in clean, and stay clean. It's best to have a property or two that's PG and serves the interest of your niche. Adwords will accept your site for advertising. You lose a lot less traffic filtering through that way. I know a couple people that do this, and it works very well for them. Again, this is not for gaming the Adwords system in any way, or spamming, it's giving them what they want, on their terms, to get what you want. They want ads to be useful, varied, relevant and safe. They want sites not created primarily for traffic generation or gateway sites, so give it to them while serving the interest of your niche. If you aren't, or haven't been, interested enough in your niche to create something of value for them outside of porn then don't use adwords. Successful long term mainstream promotion for adult means you are subtle, don't link (most of the time, on most platforms), and a list of other things. I call it passive promotion. I'm sure there's some other name for it but that's what I call it.

Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20465651) To pay money first? Usually it is taken from credit card or with debit card directly from bank account. With the OPTION to pay beforehand. No beforehand payments required. Though I haven't managed Russian Adwords accounts, so maybe it is different in there.

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 20465672) There are more subtle ways to promote adult other then going directly to a tier 1 site, that's an amateur move. They need to be persistent and see how other adult sites are successfully promoting via mainstream. Your welcome

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 20465766) I've had a profitable adult pay site for 15 years now. Since then I've branched out and created more paysites, with another one in the works. Some people over the years have become very good with Adwords and can target traffic extremely well. For those people Adwords is a form of cheap targeted converting traffic. There will always be someone between you and your online prospects, whether it be Google, an ISP, Social Media, etc. Google, ISP's, Social Media (for the most part) have all made it clear they don't want outright adult in peoples faces. Spammers have totally destroyed it for legitimate business people in adult, well not destroyed it, but made it very difficult for us to be seen nowadays. A lot of spammers have no idea they've been relegated to virtual black holes on social media sites where they're not actually communicating with the masses. Some ISP's, and countries, block adult sites. The people in power have been dividing, and conquering, the internet for a while now, cutting it into little platforms with their own anti adult policies. The list goes on. To be very successful you need to come in clean, and stay clean. It's best to have a property or two that's PG and serves the interest of your niche. Adwords will accept your site for advertising. You lose a lot less traffic filtering through that way. I know a couple people that do this, and it works very well for them. Again, this is not for gaming the Adwords system in any way, or spamming, it's giving them what they want, on their terms, to get what you want. They want ads to be useful, varied, relevant and safe. They want sites not created primarily for traffic generation or gateway sites, so give it to them while serving the interest of your niche. If you aren't, or haven't been, interested enough in your niche to create something of value for them outside of porn then don't use adwords. Successful long term mainstream promotion for adult means you are subtle, don't link (most of the time, on most platforms), and a list of other things. I call it passive promotion. I'm sure there's some other name for it but that's what I call it.

Originally Posted by Mark-G (Post 20465577) Google is very anti-adult these days - I cannot get them approve any ads with ladies in bikini's or just giving "sexy smiles" or winking (no nudes). When you try to explain to them your side of the story - you will hit a "robot rep" and he/she will be keep saying that "they have changed their ToS" and no longer accept ANYTHING even remotely "sexy" (forget about nude or hardcore). I guess we need to look for other marketing channels - Google and Adult is no go for while now.... It's official!

Originally Posted by JenySmith (Post 20465791) we've tried like 4 versions of the video. last time we removed the link on the video and left only my alias. will try one more time now. We will delete every scene they could think is explicit or focusing on sex. TThe idea is to bring subscribers to my channel where are explicit versions of the video (still non nude but focusing on close ups and see throughs) ok what are you thoughts what i have to change?

If you are, or aren't, jeny, either way, you've been tagged with your current identity and they know what you're trying to do. You have to go in clean, and stay clean. This isn't the old internet anymore where blatant techniques work. If you do anything that acts spammy, you'll be categorized.

Again, go in clean, and stay clean. Viewers will be hyper aroused by the content, they will type in something they see that clues them in to seeing more of what they want. Good luck :thumbsup

EDIT: By go in clean, and stay clean, I really mean it. I don't mean go in clean, act good for a while, then get dirty.

Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20465773) Okay, thanks. There has been no use for me to use some sites as a "middle man" as I work in mainstream. But that is very interesting idea to use customer segmentation that way in adult. Other advertising has used it long time, but I haven't thought that much using it in adult.

You're welcome. Now think of this, you, or somebody, can make a business of creating, or acquiring, small mainstream sites with good reps that will subtly promote adult :thumbsup

Originally Posted by JenySmith (Post 20465790) its weird but there was no credit card option! there were only online wallets like webmoney. And yes they asked to pay first before review been proceed. we choosed we were "individual person" not the company.

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 20465883) Well you probably aren't Jeny, you're probably a marketer for the network she's part of, or the person running it? If you are, or aren't, jeny, either way, you've been tagged with your current identity and they know what you're trying to do. You have to go in clean, and stay clean. This isn't the old internet anymore where blatant techniques work. If you do anything that acts spammy, you'll be categorized. Again, go in clean, and stay clean. Viewers will be hyper aroused by the content, they will type in something they see that clues them in to seeing more of what they want. Good luck :thumbsup EDIT: By go in clean, and stay clean, I really mean it. I don't mean go in clean, act good for a while, then get dirty.

Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20466020) That invidual person thing probably affects to these options. As the rules for collecting/ paying VAT, etc. are different whether you are dealing with companies or inviduals. If you do this for business (as you seem to) and you have a company, I suggest you use Adwords as a company.