Viable *working* chat sales method.
 

I have a still very much working method for deriving viable sales from chat traffic. Anyone who is half clever, can also maintain the sale after the initial free join, or paid join (can be used for both).

Its only semi-automated, leaving room for actual responses that wonder off script.

I also have a list of programs it has consistently worked on. It also helps if the program has a quality backend for retention purposes. There is a free join script angle, and a paid join.

Also included in the process is how to obscure your source and cover your tracks. Again, these are viable sales like any other. Done intelligently and considered. Never got booted from a program due to high charge backs.

Mostly done on PPS. Ifriends, cams.com, for the most part. Never openly asked for programs who accept chat traffic, but those would be w plus too. Although I always obfuscate my work simply because I don't want it copied. This goes with my regulwr traffic and sales too..and I purchase A LOT of paid traffic.

The one thing I love about chat sales is the minuscule overhead and investment. Almost 100% profit.

Regardless, I find myself doing it less and less these days because it does require me being on the computer. Rather than just setting campaigns to run and walking away, leaving my time on computer dedicated to my hybrid landing pages that are micro-tweaked for performance with very clever and original pitch angles.

Also, as funny as it sounds since it's said so much lately.. More and more I'm gravitating out of adult and on to mainstream ventures.

Even so, this method has worked for five years running. It's very soothing to know if all else failed I could still derive a comfortable living from just chat sales alone. Anywhere from 3-7 sales an hour can be had once you get the hang of things and feel for people.

I also like to match people in other countries up with programs that cater to that countries cards and debits. For instance for ukers finding s program that processes switch maestro and solo are ideal, etc.

In short, it's a very clever well thought out system, but not overly complex. Once you get the hang of it, you can reach quite a few folks at a single time with this semi-manual script. But it's not just the script, it's what happens after. Psychology based, tried and tested.

I would say anyone with half a brain could earn a grand a week from it, and perhaps even expound upon that with their own innovations and diversify once they really understand the eb and flow and all in all just get the feel for it.

Even if you suck you can clock one sale an hour at worst. But you do have to be there, on the computer. It's not something your can trust with other employees because if they have any technical experience at all they can cut you out.

Long story I know.. But I was thinking of selling the process to two people tops. Trustworthy people who know good business and have sound judgement. At the moment I'm still weighing it up if it would be worth it or not to pass it on. Simply because I've seen other people and somewhat similar practices come and go.. While this has worked soundly ever since inception.

They are always missing one or two vital steps and Only look at it from a purely ignorant angle. Underestimating peoples intellect and their overexposure to similar but bad traffic accruing methods.

Not that I will ever use it again, but I like knowing it's there and mine alone. Again, the reason I love this method is that it doesn't cost barely anything to nab these sales. The reason I'm pondering letting it go is because it does require your time. But it isn't difficult or stressful work at all, in fact.. It's entertaining.

But I do believe in karma, that is why I don't over promise and match it up with a quality backend. Say what you will, but it's essentially just another method of generating qualified sales. Just as qualified as any other source.

Being that I'm migrating more and more to mainstream and local mainstream, I have less and less time to implement this technique. I love having it on the shelf, but I can't help but to think I probably won't ever have the time to use it again.

So at the moment I'm considering selling it to one, two people max. But good people who will be responsible with it and clever as to not ruin it. Even though it's not something you could botch up like that, but if for say you turned around and resold it or hired a bunch of overseas phillipinos to outsource the actual work time I could definitely see it getting fucked up after some time in that for instance.

Most chat traffic and sales methods are shit. The life of the sale is shit. This is not that type of deal. The free angle converts more pps sales but the paid angle pays better and can actually run revshare over time.

Shoot me a pm or email me if your intrested or have any questions. I'm only considering quality trust worthy people who perhaps know some people I know and have a good reputation. perfect English is a must.

Diomedgfy a t yah00 dot com

Hmmm....

Do I need to do more chat? No. But it's so much fun...

you are talking about chat-avenue.com?

Long read.

It really was a wall of text, almost unreadable.

How many sales per day can you do? I find it almost impossible that you could compete with the #1 thru #3 chatters in PH but I am all ears if you can.

Chat traffic is fun :)

Yes it's a long read..

Works on any chatroom with a private message feature (which is almost every chatroom).

Frankly I'm indifferent on what I could or not compete with.. I've seen many shitty chat traffic folks come and go with their tired ass single angle method.. While my method still works and has done for years.

You don't have to read this thread... you don't have to be interested. I threw this out there because someone else mentioned chat traffic training and it got me thinking. So I popped back on and tested old faithful out after about a 5 month delay, and within 10 minutes, pop goes the sale..

When you do this full time, or even part time.. It's kind of interesting.. and when your on point, it works like a well oiled machine.

This method can easily be modified as well.. frankly it worked so well I never had the need to diversify or even explore other options/variations of it. Which I'm sure someone with half a brain could do easily.

Never even tried to match it up with dating, always stuck to cams. That's a fun thought in it's own right..

If the sales worked so well why a 5 month hiatus?

Chat traffic + dating API = gold

When I switched from cams to dating I never looked back. And I was making a LOT with cams at the time. I'm doing some cams now but thats because I just found a new method and havent tried dating on it yet, which I may do this weekend. But for 10 years I was doing dating only.

Now that is interesting.. gets my brain racing with thoughts. I'm sure even just 3 years ago the turn over rate was insane.

Having pushed non-chat dating for quite a while recently looking for campaigns I could walk away from, I can see the possibilities. API is a wild thought in conjunction with "chatology" as you put it.

As mentioned above.. my method requires you to be on the computer. I've had local employees.. and frankly people are so stupid they just don't last long. You can't get anyone too intelligent or computer savvy.. because they steal your method and become competition.

I have other profitable paid traffic campaigns I'm running and can do so away from the computer, or the house for that matter.

Having tired of adult somewhat.. or just bored I guess.. I've started to branch out and test my hand at normal mainstream work. It's so easy by comparison, so much so locally I've been doing my fair share of well paid development jobs that are incredibly straight forward and easy. Plus it's fun using my creativity.

I'm starting to feel almost normal for the first time in years.. lol.

Adult has a way of depressing me.. what can I say?


To add,

I've been doing adult since I was fucking 14 years old. Since I was an AOL eLiTe :) and Mach introduced me to spamming as an adult affiliate.. from there it was gallery submissions to level out the traffic of spamming.. once I saw how well quality galleries worked in their own right.. it was nothing but gallery submissions for years.

**update**

For those whom have contacted me, if I haven't gotten back to you I will early this week.

I'm having a bit more of a difficult time trying to get a read on people and their intentions than I had originally assumed.

I've had a few inquiries from serious buyers (individuals and companies) wanting to buy it, as well as others wanting to partner up.. I've also had inquiries from people simply trying to gleam details about the process and connect the dots themselves.

I'm doing my best to be transparent and hoping for transparency back as well. If I do sell it (which I might not) I would prefer it to go to someone who uses it intelligently and responsibly. This is proving more difficult than I had originally anticipated.

I've got some meetings on icq early this week, and by Wednesday at the latest I'll know if I am going to sell it or not.

If I haven't caught back up with you, please send me an email (OP) with your GFY username and I'll get back with you early next week.

As of right now I haven't sold it or agreed to sell it to anyone.

I've never ripped anyone off in my life, and I'm doing the best I can to be transparent but it's a fine line talking about it and not giving away too many important details which someone could then gleam and try to connect the dots on their own.

I have a personal interest in keeping the method alive and well which is the reason I'm trying to screen prospective buyers. Hope you understand it's not personal.

Edit to add:

I have more than enough inquiries right now. If I am going to sell it, I should be able to sell it to someone who has already contacted me. I'll do my best to see if there is a proper fit this week. If there isn't out of the people who have already contacted me, I'm just going to shelf it for now.

I may or may not decide to try to resell it somewhere down the road in future if things don't pan out this go around.

What are those exactly?

Local Wordpress work.

Cool. Are you a coder or designer?

Neither. Just doing local Wordpress jobs putting sites together for businesses finding good matches in terms of performance and transition to the end user so they can keep it updated themselves. Responsive designs with sound SEO foundations, and then i plug them into all of the relevant social networks.

Simple stuff, that works and looks great :)

UPDATE,

one package has been sold.. Looking to sell one more. I had a buyer who wanted to purchase the method and materials exclusively who backed out at the last minute.

I actually think it worked out for the best, because he was a company rather than an individual. I much prefer to sell this to individuals who will use it responsibly and not up scale it too fast or get too greedy once they see results.

If anyone is worried about me selling it to more than two people total, the buyers are both welcomed and encouraged to pop into this thread and say they purchased it so everyone knows I mean what I say.

The original buyer paid for this on Tuesday and saw his first sale late last night after just a little bit of initial preparation.

Feel free to email me with any questions or concerns. It's difficult to emphasize this point to people here.. But this is an amazing value for investment.

Can do half payment for half the materials for anyone with trust issues, which is totally understandable. Selling a "process" and accompanying materials isn't the average exchange with set parameters. It has been difficult to convey this point.

Btw,

Phreer.. Check your inbox :) sent you a little something something ;)

DIOMEDGFY a-t Y A H 0 0 d-o-t COM

Good on you.

Myself I hate wordpress. I find that no matter what, a site made with WP still doesn't load as fast as a simple html or php based site. Not everyone can see the difference but I can and it gets under my skin.

Also, thanks for posting the thread. Even though I won't be buying (due to not having the time to implement it) I still appreciate the value of an offer like this. And, a thread that gets people thinking is getting rarer these days (I think those are called business threads :thumbsup) ... I'm surprised and deflated that more discussion wasn't generated.

If ever you sell your traffic buying method or any other one you think has value, drop me a PM.

Too true.. and I appreciate the understanding :thumbsup it's refreshing in these days.

I'm shocked at the sheer amount of traffic this place has lost..and I love GFY :( threads used to shoot to the bottom of the page and now Ive seen days where I reply to a thread and literally see it half way down the page a day later?

As per Wordpress, it definitely loads slower. But clients usually don't notice this. It's an easy way to hand off responsive designs that have continuous support and a control panel the end user can most* of the time get the hang of. Theme selection and matching is important as well in that regard. Even so, offering administration is a pleasant angle as well :)

My traffic buys are based on micro-tweaked and heavily tested landing pages.. Which are presented in an extremely unique way. Hiding them from webmasters is the main concern, as copying can be a big issue.

I was never a skilled programmer nor did I have the patience to set up larger script based sites, so accruing quality traffic sources and hitting strangers with enticing landers was my easy in..only have to be different and out think the next man.

I doubt I will ever sell those methods, even though I am migrating out of adult. But I do have a black hat version I could sell that netted me $5-10k a week at $400-500 daily of paid traffic from a single source.

It's still very much active and converts insanely. But again, is black hat which is the reason I don't use it anymore. It was devised with a similar principle to my original landers which got me my first break and money to work with.. But with a huge boost in terms of incentive/trust to the customer/referral.

It's used with a free credit card join, but could be easily modified with a small paid join. I worked it on 3 different but similar domains and would blank the index anytime paid traffic wasn't getting throttled to it. Definitely still big time viable and hugely profitable, but again black hat. Even so, it's instantaneous. As in out the page up, set up your referral link obfuscation page, click the go button on traffic, and bam.. Sales a tune to 30-50 a day with anywhere from $300-500 paid traffic.

I came across it when experimenting with my landing pages. Just had a weird thought in terms of garnering trust and bam.. i ran it for a while, stopped, ran it, stopped, etc. But once I didn't need the money anymore it wasn't necessary.

Again, all comes down to that greed point of no return. Moderation is smart :thumbsup

Update:

As of tomorrow both sets will be sold. Congrats to the buyers and feel free to post here if you feel like stating that you purchased it so you know I'm not selling it to anyone else.

I must say this has been a real eye opener. I love GFY but I feel like a large part of everyone's complaining is due to lack of creativity and simply out thinking the next man doing the same old shit.

I presented this as an opportunity for sale for $1k a pop to two people and although I had some genuinely interested parties that not only understood the intrinsic value but understood it was very fairly priced.

Sadly the programs that contacted me were for the most part, the ones that understood what something like this is really worth.

Most of the people who contacted me were just looking to sift information without any real interest of purchasing it.

Out of 25 people there were only about 6 truly interested parties outside of the 4 programs. And here is the kicker, out of those 6 only 3-4 either thought it was worth the $1k asking price or actually had the $1k to invest. Funnily enough I even told them ahead of time it included $2k with of creatives and took me over a year in the field to perfect.

Not only that, but that I only tipped the iceberg in terms of potential. It's. Easily modifiable to mate to many different programs and payouts. I only ever used it with paid cc joins via cams pps. The potential for dating is tremendous..and there is next to no overhead involved, 100% profit.

Phreer is definitely legit and knows his chatology. He is one of the few that understands there is a shit ton of cash very much still in chat sales. My hats off to him.

In short, I was taken back at how many people thought the price was literally shocking, when I considered it almost dirt cheap. Maybe I failed to accurately convey to some.. But even so, it made me realize some of the real problems that plague individual webmasters these days. Everyone is looking to make money for free.

Guess what I'm trying to say is it's no wonder the industry of individual webmasters is in the state it is when not many people are thinking outside the box at all. I mean, how many responses to this thread? 25 people contacted me I full, 26 including tonight.

I've never been a technical guru. I've always based my work on creativity and out thinking the same old boxed ideas and presentations that have been around forever. I've never been an SEO expert, or anything that took an inordinate amount of skill. But I was and am still converting paid traffic.. No it isn't what it used to be, which is why I'm enjoying my 25 hour a week mainstream work.. But Damn, it's not rocket science either.

Folks need to stop complaining and start testing out some new techniques. Focus on optimization at every angle and introduce some psychology for Christ sake. The same principles that ads on television have been using for years.

That's my two pennies..

/rant

While I'm at it,

If anyone is interested in a black hat method that works in conjunction with paid clicked traffic, but produces serious sales.. Shoot me an email.

I haven't used it in over a year but it is not subject to change. Can be setup within a day and is very lean and straight forward. But it is a black hat campaign.

It's on the same usb as the chat method and I won't be using it again so I figured I would throw it out there. Simply put, it works.

Again, some psychological elements to it. It's a modified version of some older paid traffic campaigns that I used to run.. I came up with it initially as a way to give them a boost and the results were instant.

It requires traffic obfuscation but frankly I do that on every single campaign I run these days due to several bad experiences with both sponsors and traffic providers who have literally stolen me and my partners campaigns.

When I think about it.. Anyone who doesn't obfuscate their traffic to at least some degree these days is an idiot.

email sent, check your spam folder, most of mine end up in there :thumbsup

Shit I missed this thread till today. Missed your email too. Working too many hours :(

I'll hit you up tomorrow :)

No worries fella :thumbsup

But do that. I might have something to add to that last email, I forget if I left a bit out.

Jel, replied.

Ok, finally, email replied to :)

What language is your bot coded in? Does it include a brain? I am interested if its not kik or skype.

Nice one, responded :)

Fyi money, I've never used bots. Hence the "time on computer" complaint..and why I no longer do chat sales even though the pay is still great.

PS folks,

The black hat method is still available at the moment.

mopek1, it was a pleasure chatting with you bud.

I tell you what has been interesting that I've noticed starting after my initial chat sales method offering.

That there are a lot of really sweet people (both individuals and businesses) that are either just getting started or have run into a dead in with their creatives..and really don't know what direction to head into next.

Maybe I will offer up some consultant work in future. I would love to help some of these smaller companies or websites understand where the money exists in traffic, and how to both get that money but also how to use it to subsidize other areas of their business which isn't moving quite as fast as it should be.

Can really make or break a project.

Throughout this process of selling a few different methods of converting traffic into sales, quite a few folks have shown me their creatives. As sweet and as well intentioned as they are I fear they don't have a clue about how to properlyalign media buys with clever psychology based creatives and actually converting paid traffic into sales.

I have never been a technical guru or a programmer. But after dealing with traffic buys and creatives for so long it's almost second nature on knowing what will convert and what will not.

I always figured those programmers and script based workers had a difficult job, hence my instant gravitation towards paid traffic, building my own creatives and creating new pitch points followed by testing testing micro-tweaking, media alignment, and more testing and testing.. But maybe that is the difficult part?

Anyways it's really opened my eyes to how many people are lost in today's market. But I have never had trouble converting paid traffic. Hell, even blind clicked traffic. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of nuanced incites into streamlining the creatives, creating incentive, and matching them with the right sponsor at the end of the day. But it's always seemed pretty common sense stuff to me.

Though the more webmasters I talk to (definitely not all of them, some know exactly what they are doing) the more I'm thinking consultantcy work might be fun to implement for others and their unique products or their sites.

Just might out together a new little venture over the next couple of weeks and test it out.

You know where to reach me :-)
My offer stills stands

Let me know when you do :thumbsup

I didn't see the original thread, or I would have been very interested. As an individual, that is. Not for the company that I represent.

I'm interested in anyone that posts here that uses "obfuscate" in a sentence.

Thanks for the kind words folks :)

I've got a few prospective clients for the consultancy work already. I should have a site up and an overview of my offerings within the next two weeks.

As an UPDATE: the black hat sales method has been sold exclusively. The buyer is welcome to come forward for the sake of transparency.

LOL. Thanks. Bit of a funny term, I guess I should have just used obscure. Funnily enough when I looked a while back obfuscate wasn't in the dictionary yet.

At any rate, unfortunately both slots for the chat sales method have been sold.

Though I might be adding some other sales methods on offer soon.

Sorry about that :(

Nah, it's a good word!

If you do have offers in the future, please find me. :)

Definitely hit me up when your new project is up and running - my past experience buying from you, and our dealings in general have always been a pleasure both in ease-of-business, and the products/services themselves.

There are less and less these days on here, but guys like yourself, and opportunities like this are the reason I check this board as much as I do :thumbsup

Speaking of creatives and landing pages, this thread got me thinking:

I haven't visited the tubes in awhile but when I did about 6 months back, the dating ads all had similar creatives or landing pages. They started off saying - that if you knew anyone on the site to keep them anonymous, do you have an std, are you willing to use a condom etc...

Then they'd calculate that there are 4,987 horny women close by that qualify and fit your criteria/answers, and if you join free now they will come at you like women do in Axe bodywash commercial - in avalanche formation.

And again this thread had me curious, so I checked out the big tubes today and those same creatives still seem to be the landing page of choice. How people fall for that I don't know but companies are spending LOTS $$ to advertise there and, I assume, are making money.

It's still a puzzle to me.

Will do. In fact, shoot me an email and I will put you first on the list of any future offerings of conversion methods. I tend to go in order to try to be fair - DIOMEDGFY a-t Y A H 0 0 dot COM :thumbsup

Thanks for the kind words fella, means much :) Will do for sure.. and I must say it's always been incredibly smooth dealing with you from my end as well. A real pleasure instead of something stressful. Always nice when trust isn't an issue.

So fucking true man.. But I will say this, they test the shit out of those ads and do have the resources to run the numbers in bulk. Personally I'm with you, always surprised at the garbage they put up there when just a few tweaks could earn them THOUSANDS more dollars per day. A real lack of creativity, and as you say they RARELY change.

I will concede only one thing.. that as of late, like this past year.. they have started to pick up on psychology based ads. But then their execution is sub-standard. Imagine if they were running something even slightly more well rounded. That is a job that would be a lot of fun to have. But I don't think it's the tubes that run those ads.. Keep in mind, those ads are run by MEDIA BUYING "EXPERTS" in charge of their creatives.

Makes you wonder how people get those kind of jobs ya know. Even on tv commercials, I'm always like "who the fuck was in charge of those creatives", and god would I love to do that job.

But to the big boys credit, what is seen on the surface to some (like us webmasters) and other more intelligent people.. holds an entirely different perspective for average consumers.

I used to test landing creatives on my lovingly dumb jock buds.. and was always shocked on what they picked out being more drawn to. Was usually the second to last in the barrel. An interesting lesson.

BUT, there is a big difference in getting someone to click an ad and getting someone to sign up. Smooth transition and continuity coherence is extremely important. Too many of the big players have too large of leaps between reasoning gaps with not enough padding. Which will make a would be customer raise his eyebrow and buck the reasonable trust.

long read, long chats :)

Indeed. Better than the usual news clipping IMHO.

Business has been done because of this thread, and people will go on to profit in many months to come.

I call that a success. I've already had two people circle back to thank me again :thumbsup

You've got mail. :thumbsup

Replied :thumbsup

I might have another unique sales method and accompanying creatives I would consider selling, if your interested.

Had thought to mention it here next week but was still debating as it hits kind of close to home. If I do it will be to two individuals tops (not companies - too much upscaling) as again I want it to remain* viable.

But zero pressure or worries either way sweet lady :) We'll talk.

Got Mail buddy!

Replied my friend.

Ready when you are.

mopek1,

After our dealings I would love for you to report back in one month about the new project we discussed and its execution along with the integration of my own creatives / sales method.. As well as the stream lining of your own content and overall productivity of the new site and it's monetization.

I want brutally honesty feedback for others to see, before and after my evaluation..and how you feel in terms of new possibilities and more productive revenue streams after 30 days of everything in place, and simply put your overall confidence about the future after that time.

PS,

if any company who has a designer on hand that I can work with would like me to produce creatives and a sales method that could be thrown at any cams / dating offer with not only paid campaigns but your own sites, shoot me a message.

I can guarantee it will out convert any creatives you've ever run.. But the main benefit is just how many different lines of traffic it can be thrown at and still convert like it was better days.

BUT, you must allow me input on what programs the joins will be directed at. I can work within your own parameters on this to a certain extent especially if you have good relations with x sponsor and can request customized joins or i frames.

Best suited for companies who focus on the bottom line.

The above offer has been purchased exclusively and is no longer available.

The sales method/creatives mentioned in post 37 is also off the market, two people have purchased it.

Going to take it easy for a moment and keep the rest on the shelf for now. If I decide to sell any more methods I will post here first. I go in order of inquiries received to try and be fair, so if you want first dibs on any possible future offerings shoot me an email.

Individuals only please for these methods. In order to keep them viable for myself and others I only sell to one person exclusively or two people non exclusively. Companies have too many resources and simply too much ability to up scale. The last thing I want is my techniques and creatives over saturated and ultimately suffer productivity wise down the road. So I keep everything separate and small, to screened individuals only.

I do offer custom creatives and sales methods for companies including consulting work. But nothing that effects my personal campaigns or previously sold methods/creatives.

If your interested just shoot me an email. My site will be up next week and it will better showcase just exactly what I can offer.

Thanks to everyone for their interest and support, it's been a fun couple weeks meeting so many of you :) as always, if you run into trouble I will be around to help ;)

no one bought that shit come on lol

You are mistaken my friend.

I have sold many creatives and methods in the past two weeks alone.

The above method was purchased as part of a consultancy gig from a mid level company. With their permission, they will be amongst the first testimonials on my new site hopefully at the end of next week.

I have sold creatives / methods to several people in this thread alone. But I will leave it to them to come forward to talk about their experience if they want.

I can't force their hand.

BUT, I can easily understand how broke ass webmasters like yourself might not understand actual business is taking place on this forum because you yourself cannot envision it through your myopia and self disappointment.

Fact is, since the start of this thread I have been in constant contact with both companies and individual webmasters (ones who actually make money) alike.

Those whom have purchased my creatives and methods, know that I know exactly what I'm talking about.

But again, what would a GFY thread be without some troll who is most likely on the very fringes of this business stepping in out of nowhere, talking out of his ass, and taking a shit.

Par for the coarse, and to be expected.

Not only have I sold quite a few packages, I've refused to sell just as many if not more.

I wouldnt have a problem with a chatter agreeing to a 45 day hold

Chat sales get a bad name from poorly trained and under incentivized outsourced labor. Mainly phillipinos.

It's not at all uncommon for phillipinos to inflate their join ratios with fraudulent carded joins. Which of coarse will bare no productivity and inevitably lead to chargebacks.

Done correctly, matched with a quality backend, and given some* post sale attention.. The leads and joins are just as qualified as any other, and will perform accordingly.

It's all about NOT coming off as a bot, and at the end of the day all your doing is essentially matching up those who want to watch cams with quality cams.

You can also single out models to promote and hand off the referral to follow for very decent retention periods.

I spent an entire year of my life doing semi-manual chat sales, and never once had issues with sponsors complaining about poor productivity.