did Spock ever achieve Kolinahr?
 

re-watched st:tmp and got to wondering....................

He didn't achieve it - he rejected it at the last minute.

http://www.criticallytouched.com/fil...p_kolinahr.png

He should have tried a Star Trek DVD marathon and some really good weed - It worked for me...

Man have done that in years... (DVD Marathon that is).

that's what i'm talking about, and no, he didn't reject kolinahr, he failed the test. my question is re: after tmp, did the franchise ever have him attain? i don't recall he ever did

which ones did you watch?

I'm pretty sure he found out Darth Vader was his father..

I'm very, very sad Nimoy is gone.

Yet Shatner LIVES!!

No he didn't fail the test.

While most Vulcans do maintain control over their emotions, the advanced ritual of Kolinahr is intended to purge all remaining vestigial emotion; the word also refers to the discipline by which this state is maintained. Only the most devoted and trained Vulcan students attain Kolinahr. He rejected it at the last minute. That photo is of him pushing it away.

If you go to Star Trek: The Motion Picture - Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki you will read this: On the planet Vulcan, Spock has been undergoing the kolinahr ritual, in which he has been learning how to purge all of his remaining emotions, and is nearly finished with his training. The lead elder tells Spock of how their ancestors had long ago cast out all animal passions on those sands, and says that their race was saved by attaining kolinahr, which another elder describes as the final purging of all emotion. The lead elder tells Spock he has labored long and she prepares to give him a symbol of total logic. She is about to give him a necklace, when Spock reaches out and stops her, clearly disturbed by something out in space. She asks for a mind meld, to which Spock complies. She discovers that the alien intelligence which has called to him from deep space has stirred his Human half. She drops the necklace and states, "You have not yet achieved kohlinahr.", and then tells the other elders, "His answer lies elsewhere. He will not achieve his goal with us." Then she bids him farewell, telling him to "live long and prosper".

/drops mic.

And no, he never did after that.

, "You have not yet achieved kohlinahr.",

That is clearly a fail and hardly a rejection by Spock.

I just watched the damn movie. I don't need a screen grab.

He knew he failed, that's why he stopped the ceremony.

"He will not achieve his goal with us"

Thats a fail.

There you go again, rejecting truth and substituting your own.

If Spock failed the test it's not because he failed the test. I have faith that he failed because there was some other purpose, some more important cause going on that forced him to fall short.


Okay frankly I have no idea what you'se are going on about, but my faith in Spock's character is unshakeable.

*V*

this thread is another classic example of you being a canaduhian fuckwad, i ask a question re: whether spock ever achieved kolinahr and your reply is to quote star trek wiki re: what kolinahr is with a screencap of the movie i just watched an hour before. and then you follow that up with a drops mic, rejecting the truth attitude about a fucking movie.

and it's not just Americans that know you're a piece of shit, most canadians think you are a joke. when someone like RObbie feels the need to bitch slap the living fucking shit outta you, you need to stop and take a look at yourself and realize you are the piece of shit everyone else knows you are.

his emotional, human side was feeling the energy from Vger. that is why he failed achieving kolinahr.

it's a still dangling sub-plot that was never closed in the franchise.


********** is too much of a canaduhian fuckwad to even be able to have an adult convo sharing views on this, it's either his fuckwad way or denying reality. what a fuckwad, it's a movie.

Come on you guys seriously?

Spock attempted Kolinahr twice. It takes years to complete. First attempt start date 2270-2273. Not complete.

He started his second attempt after Captain James T. Kirk dies in the Nexus star date 2293. After years he did complete Kolinahr, only to start the process of reversal after Doctor McCoy enlightened him of the importance of grieving his mothers death.

Sources ( 1, 2 & 3 )

come on guys seriously----- what's that supposed to mean?

also, not one of those links has the word kolinahr in it.

You just watch the movies and TV screen then. You're missing out on a lot. Ok let me find a link with the word kolinahr for you on sec.

Ok here, under the history section.

what does that mean? i just watch the movies and tv screen? wtf. i mean really. i'm not getting my fucking PHD in kolinahr.

anyway, i found my answer, the franchise did not ever follow-up/close on spock achieving kolinahr. and yes, i watch the movies and series, after rewatching the original motion picture yet again, i couldn't recollect which, if any, of the following st movies re-addressed it.

Well I gave you the link above with the word Kolinahr that explains how he achieved it. Cheers :thumbsup

thanks, i did read it.

LOL !!!!!! You forgot Libitard. You might as well thrown the N-word into that too. You know you want to.


I gave you my answer and you dismissed it. I then proved my answer, based on what lots of other trekkers say, and you dismiss that too. Again, you are replacing common truths for your own.

And FYI, Star Trek: The Motion Picture is actually one of my most favourite of all the Star Trek Movies. Today it is highly under appreciated but I personally think it is one of the very best of the entire franchise. I've also watched it more times than I care to admit. You want to go toe to toe with me about Trek and about TMP in particular? Bring it, bitch!



You speak for All Americans and All Canadians? I don't think so. But if pretending that both countries are on your side of any argument is what you need to do to make yourself feel justified in any statement you make, then I can't stop you, can I?

Live long and prosper.

**********, making a question re: star trek personal.


he certainly doesn't need me to keep pointing out how big a fuckwad he is, he does that well enough on his own.

i never claimed to be a trekkie or any other bullshit, i watched the movie again and asked a fucking question.

You're almost right. His human emotional side was feeling the energy from V'ger. He could not explain this logically, so he REJECTED Kolinahr. He puts his hands up and rejects the necklace. After the mind meld she agrees that he's fucked, so she drops it.

For someone who claims to have watched this movie again and missed this important scene is a mystery. To ignore the screenshot of Spock rejecting the necklace which should shake your memory but doesn't, is scary.

As Uhura famously told the Cadet in Star Trek 3: The Search for Spock: "This isn't reality - this is fantasy".

Right! And my answer didn't jive with your own preconceived ideas, so you trashed me, trashed the wiki, called me a fuckwad, and insulted an entire country of people in the process.

You have serious anger management issues Dynamo. I suggest you watch more Star Trek and try to grasp the Great Bird of the Galaxy's vision of what Trek is all about. You'll be a better person for it in the end, I promise.

no, you need to refresh yourself and watch the movie again, or more, a lot more.

he didn't reject it when he held up his hand against the necklace, he was realizing, admitting and pointing out he failed. the mind meld was simply a confirmation of that.

no, fuckwad. i asked a question and shared with you my interpretation of the fucking scene, to which you replied

you're the one making watching a fucking movie personal and making others watch and interpret a movie exactly like you do. you insecure dimwitted fuckwad canaduhian.

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On to something cooler now...

... I found this CG re-rendering of the Enterprise leaving Drydock.



pretty nice.