Don't build plans on Revshare - My Story (Crakrevenue and MFC)
 

As far as CR team pretty much ignoring me i guess this is the only place to get my answers (Must say that Eric from the forum tried to help me, Thanks mate).
Just want to be clear, i'm not mad at CR or MFC i just want to understand what is going on... i still working with CrakRevenue on new projects and still sending them traffic to other offers.

So Here is my story:
-I'm working with CrakRevnue for two years promoting MyFreeCams(Revshare).
-I send them really good traffic, each person that clicks on my ad is looking for cam site (Registrations 1:58, Conversions 1:17)
-As long as i was getting 15%, i guess MFC earned from my traffic aprox 200k$+.

While i'm enjoying my revenue and building myself stable income (for fuck sake, i just rented a house for year and have no idea how i will pay for him now) yesterday i'm getting this email:
"Hello,

Following a demand from the provider, we have find out that you are using My Free Cam without authorization. We to remove this program from your products. It is not a ban, we were simply asked to have this program removed from your account. Since you are interested in using cam products, there are a lot of other products you can use.

Hope you understand our motive."

Can you guys understand something from that? Neither do i.

So i replied to the mail and asked two questions:
1. Why
2. What would happen with all the registered user to MFC from my traffic (Lifetime revshare??)

The answer was even more confusing:
"Hello,

There won't be any changes for the revshare. You are simply not allowed to diffused with this program anymore, because we had a complain from the publisher concerning your diffusions.

Regards"

huh? so once again i replied why and just wanted to recheck about the life time revshare, no answer.

So i connected Eric from GFY and he did tried to help me but he said the support team is already on this and they should contact me but the tickets keep getting closed by someone.

So i asked Eric one question and got my answer. The question was do i keep get my Commission? and the answer killed me:

"From my understanding... and I'm sorry to report-- it looks like it's a no. When a provider requests we remove someone from a program, they have their reasons, and it's them who stops paying -- stops paying both you and I, as we're a CPA network."

Ok so here is my questions to you guys:
*Lets say they had reason to ask CM to remove MFC from my products (Can't think about one, but i don't care to stop sending my traffic to them and try a new place)
Can they just stop paying me after two years of building my revshare base? once again, i didn't broke any TOS rule of CM.
They can just remove anyone without explain CM why they want to remove him ("they have their reasons" and as far as i know CM can't explain me neither)?

I know that if CM will want to close that case they can just ban me for some reason (anyone can find any reason to do that) but i just want what is mine, for the last two years i worked hard to build this and MFC can choose to not work with me anymore but they can't ignore the deal we had when i sent them my traffic.
I still can see on CM under the "Re-bills" the cut i should get from them but one big zero in the commission...

popcorn time :)

How have you been promoting them?

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If what you say is true and accurate, sounds like they got the goldmine...and you got the shaft.

Hope everything works out to your satisfaction - and quickly. Stuff like this sucks.

what is CM ?

Myfreecams is pretty shady. When i was promoting them back when they were a small company. Probably 2005 I was promoting them Hard. They probably were growing pretty fast from the traffic I was sending them. I know they where getting a lot of signups from me. Its been forever to remember what happened exactly.

I was promoting them with there referrer links. I must of had like $10,000 worth of tokens. One day they claimed there referrer system wasen't working and wiped my account. Then they ignored my emails to support and i think banned my email. They would respond to other email accounts till I brought the problem back up and then stopped responding. I basically didn't spend any tokens and was just building from referrals. Then just wiped me clean. If something was wrong with there system. They still owed me something for the people I brought in. I fill like nothing was wrong with there referrer program and that was a lie for what ever reason. The sign ups where coming in from a message bored. The cam rooms would fill up with names related to that bored.


So Fuck mfc.

Gl with you account if it goes any where. Don't put all your eggs in one basket try to have a bunch of revenue sources.

Sucks :(

Their support looks to be from india or something like that, those answers you've received are retarded.

Im just reading
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.myfreecams.com

Myfreecams reviews
Poor 3.9
from 0 - 10

They seem to like to ban studio accounts and premium members.

Hello,

I will verify the issue monday and check the case can be solved.

We are not open on weekend and gfy is a public forum, publishing private communication rarely help.

Regarding your actual clients, you will always get paid on their future spending and on your free member convertions.

You just cant promote MFC as you broke some of their rules and if MFC specially requested that you stop promoting them.
It most be a solid reason as it rarely happen and its usually for clear offense, so i suspect that you do know that you been crossing the line somehow.

you sound confident

:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Sorry to say, but the affiliate model is dead in adult. Not dead in the fact that you can't still make money, but dead in the fact there are so few affiliates that companies risk next to nothing banning your accounts once they figure out your traffic source.

Being an affiliate is no longer worth your time or energy as you take lots of risk developing income streams on other companies products and those companies have the ability to end your future income leaving you little to no recourse.

Adult companies can not be trusted to pay affiliates in this day and age, it's as simple as that. Run your own shit or live by the mercy of of the hand which feeds you.

It's not the same game it was 5 years ago when adult companies depended on affiliates and screwing an affiliate could end the program due to bad publicity.

Sorry, I'll correct that one "probably". It was 2005 I was promoting them I just looked the email up.How Can you be 100% sure. There was no stats program available to rely on. All I can go on was the information available to me at the time. All that i had is maybe alexa showing them growing a lot the months i was promoting them daily all day. But that's hardly something that I can say was all me. No way to know with out stats or there back end. The only thing i do know is the models rooms that i promoted constantly would fill up with names in mfc model rooms that were related to the big forum i advertised on. After I posted there link to the room on the forum. With them ignoring my emails shows they are in the wrong. They just reset my account with the 10k in tokens, then say there system doesn't work. IF that's true you owe me for the signups i did generate. I think they payed 20 tokens per referred premium member back then. My emails were more of me wondering what was wrong with there system and maybe get payed for what members i did send them. But they completely ignored my email address. It looks like they couldn't explain what was wrong with there referrer system because nothing was wrong with it,.

Bazaar to come in and say that the affiliate model is dead to hundreds of people that make their entire living on affiliate income.

Dying maybe, dead - not by a lonnnnng shot.

and how it is different than in mainstream ? or other businesses ?
even if you sell hot dogs in NYC as a "free man", your idea will be copied 100 times...
now, in Russia, on the other hand - everything is much better and hot dogs buy you ;-)

Also I would post rooms with no one in it. To see how well the advertising was working. The room would fill with names related to that forum. So they would be signed up under my account.

That sucks dude. Yet another scammy rip off piece of shit.

I was promoting myfreepaysite back in the day.. then they just shut it down. Fair enough its their program they can do anything. But on my side i had alot of sites and links promoting them, all worthless now.

This has happened many times. Many many many times.

I have started to focus on creating my own sites to promote. Now its just me and the customer, with only the billing company in between.

One way or another they all seem to rip you off eventually.. with a few notable exceptions.

Perhaps someone could build a peer to peer affiliate program, on the bitcoin architecture.

Have it decentralized, so no one controls the money. No scams, no funds in motion, no fraud - There is a free million dollar idea for someone :)

The affiliate model may not be dead..but damn, it's needs a good shake-up.

Sent a letter to Chaturbate over a week ago regarding sending them some test traffic. Also gave them a brief verifiable synopsis of the rather significant traffic volume I provide to my primary programs. (ie. not talking out of my ass). Never received a response. Notta...

And to CrakRevenue... surely you guys can afford to hire a fleunt english speaker for support. Google translate is not a suitable substitute.

That sucks big time.

Over the years I have avoided revshare unless that is all they offer. After crunching numbers I never really made that much more with revshare and one too many times I worked my ass off to build up a decent number of rebills only to have the site close and they all go to waste.

Hey Nick, first of all let me say this once again: I don't have anything against you guys! The felling i got from CrakRevenue is amazing with all the little presents on Christmas and etc (and i will continue to send traffic to the other programs there).

You can check my account at CarkSupport, tried all before i posted this here as i on one place i got answer x and on the other side someone gave me answer y.

And i can understand why i posted this short messages i got from you guys. English is far from being my language and even i can explain myself better then that guy (with that said, i must say that it's the first time i see that on Crak. Most of the crew i spoke with gave me good, fast and professional support).

That's all what i ask.
Right now this is not happening. on the day of the message i had 6$ revenue from MFC, after the email i got it's became 0$ (on Re-bills i still can see 6$).
In the following 2 days my income is 0$ (in the last 2 years i never had 0$ income perday) and i can see there was Rebills, but no commission.

First of all i don't know MFC rules, i know CrakRevenue rules. As far as i know i didn't broke any role of you guys. The only thing i did in the last couple of days is splitting my traffic from being transferred only to MFC, to be transferred to MFC and Slut Roulette.

Once again, Thanks for the attempt to help. I really want a good relationship with you guys.

That's why I love whitelabels ! Sorry for you dude I hope that you'll get at least your revshare from your reffered members !

CrakMedia...

If i'll convert my Revshare income from MFC until now to PPL, i guess i got a bit more then double for each lead. But you must hook few big fishes...

If I get it well, this means OP will get his money for all his rebills, he is just unable to make more sales.

This reply from Nick sounds OK :2 cents: :pimp

Sorry to hear dude. 2 Years worth of building up revshare and they kill the account. I can understand banning PPL due to poor conversions, but how can you cheat revshare?

I also got banned from Crack for using a screen shot of a Cam Model for promotion (promoting her own room), they banned the account and kept my money. It was the best thing that happened, I moved over to Chaturbate and make tons more money.

Hope you get your rebills back.

you can't use photos of MFC models and send traffic directly to her room or profile page?
so what is allowed?

Good luck man, would be lame if you would be fked from your rebills.

They can't ban you when you use the picture to promote another cam site .... ROFL

home page traffic to MFC for general traffic but lame if you have a blog talking about the model

These guys beat you to it :2 cents:
Problem is, the Bitcoins seem to disappear sometimes.

Is Pay-Per-Stream Now Possible?
https://streamium.io/testnet/app/#/provider
https://medium.com/@demibre/a-decent...e-b71ef89cd714

It is not a bad concept but it is not pragmatic towards the market.

33mb animated gif in a sig file - interdasting. :Oh crap

I would rather say: beautiful and why there is no link in it ?

It's not clear to me what exactly you did that made MFC want to terminate their relationship with you. From what I see Crak did not explain that to you -- only that they decided to do so.

I think the big problem with this and the whole model these days is basically the idea that if you do something "wrong" the sponsor can just pocket your earnings. Unless it is something severe then that is wrong. It should still be paid out to you or at the very least given to charity. Another issue is that it is very easy for the sponsor to just make up some bullshit about something like chargebacks. How will you ever know and what can you do about it?

In regards to dating and cams this is probably a good reason to use PPS. You are only out a month of earnings at most.

I have never seen an affiliate agreement with a vesting clause
vest legal definition of vest

You must of done something real stupid to get banned.

nobody noticed my thread.

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...se-inside.html

I would NEVER do PPS for cams! I'm not even sure what some call a whale in cams but when I can make over $2-3K a year off just ONE guy it proves the point cams is for rev share.

WOW, if they are in the usa, and it's a lot of money, maybe it is time to take them to court! Just be 100% sure you have screen shots all emails to and from etc. Then again I am NO lawyer so don't know what one could do.
Tom

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maybe times are tough

Nice. You reply and say that you think the affiliate is probably lying. :321GFY

Glad I'm not sending you traffic :thumbsup

OP, good luck. From the looks of the replies you got in email you are dealing people who have no clue what they are talking about.

Diffused and Diffusions ?? WTF ??

Without authorization? It would seem to me that if Crak allows an affiliate to promote MFC then that is pretty much authorized use.

Niktamer - Instead of calling your loyal affiliates liars why don't you train your support people tp provide answers that makes sense? Nah, that would be too fucking easy. Much easier to just throw your affiliates under the bus. I mean fuck, you have thousands of affiliates what's it matter if you allow one or two or ten of them to be fucked over. They're all probably liars anyway, right??

:321GFY:321GFY:321GFY

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Generally that is true but just earning the money in the stats admin counts for nothing if it never actually reaches your bank account. :) That happens all too often these days...

Plus to get paid for whales you are relying on the honesty of the sponsor. PPS gives the affiliate some more control whereas with revshare you're stuck for the long haul. Hey it's an old debate though. Everybody has their opinions. Right now I'd probably consider Crak a PPS or PPL sponsor only and not do revshare with them.

Yes, because the guy that is two clicks away from tubes and torrents full of free porn is going to take time to learn about Bitcoin and how to convert his hard earned dollars to a virtual currency he has no faith in.

Even if the affiliate program is Bitcoin based, you'd still have people pay for the service with credit cards and a ton of potential for abuse.

Its part of the game someone fuck u in this industry u blacklist them and go forward mate. Go try with chaturbate or streamate, good luck

Are you talking about general paysites, or more specifically, pay per minute webcams? Long term income for the latter can be much more significant. I just looked at stats for the past 13 years on a revshare webcam sponsor. My traffic has generated on average revenue of nearly $1 per click. Average per-member spend is $547; I've received between 10% to 30% of that. These simple figures would be distorted somewhat by changes in traffic and usage patterns over the years, but it gives you some idea of the long term value of a webcam member.

Takes a long time to build up a webcam member base - you could send traffic for months before the effective per-member revshare payout exceeds that of PPS - but, assuming the program is in it for the long haul, and isn't going to stiff you by closing your account and keeping all future revenue, you can make a nice long term profit. I guess the tricky bit is finding programs that will accept and continue to pay for your traffic for years to come. :thumbsup

bump 4 you.............

Yes. What he said.

Yeah sounds great, cos no one ever got their Bitcoins "motioned".

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