If you make lots of cash from promoting sites. Then why not run your own?
 

I see a lot of people who make a lot of cash from promoting sites, yet do not run there own.

Then often they post how this or that site has closed.

Is it crazy not to run your own site if your making lots of $$$$. That way you can make 100% rather than 50% and use your content the way you want rather than getting told off for doing this or that.

Their not there please, sorry to be a snob.
And what you're not factoring in is the fact that obviously content production costs a lot of capital, and I'm sure plenty of affiliates can't be bothered.

That additional 50% has to cover content/staff/hardware/hosting/processing/member support/creatives/cms rental.

An affilaite makes ok money pulling $5k a month off a site, but you couldn't run the same site for $10k.

You can do both with a FreeWhiteLabels.com | White Label Sites use your domain if you move on you keep your traffic.

Just so you know, freewhitelables.com set my virus detector off. It says http://backlinks.vn/backlink.gif has malware.

If, as it looks like DVTimes does producing his own content, you only pay their bus fare home along with maybe a pack 10 Benson & Hedges, you can keep production costs really low.

"Hello TheDA it appears that you have not posted on our forums in several weeks, why not take a few moments to ask a question, help provide a solution or just engage in a conversation with another member in any one of our forums?"

Then often they post how this or that site has closed.


If I had a choice I would start a cam site. But if I had the money to do that, I wouldn't make the site.

If I had my own content, I would do my site on the cheap by using clips4sale. And spend a good portion on tracking and removing stolen content.

More risk and capital needed to make porn today.

We tried running a site and we were not succesfull.
The same way I have seen affiliate programs not getting the max out of being affiliates.
Both things take completely different skill sets. Pretty much like in every industry you have people making the product and you have people selling the product.

Indeed, and don't forget the other costs such as hosting, and other assorted costs BUT the main reason is that it is NOT easy to get enough traffic WITHOUT an army of affiliates.

Usually spitting that 50% is well worth it for the site owner and for MOST affiliates the hassle of running a site is just not worth it since they would end up just splitting that with another affiliate if they did!

Because traffic was king before stolen content became the king of traffic.

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your obviously not making bank then! why do you bother.

This is ridiculous. I've been in this biz for more than 10 years and made tons of cash promoting other people's sites. Meanwhile, I've seen so many sponsors come and go. There is so much more risk, capital investment and headaches involved in running your own sites. I don't need to worry about renting an office, hiring employees, credit card processing, customer service, 2257 record keeping requirements, policing content theft, recruiting affiliates, paying affiliates, etc., etc., etc. If you run your own sites, you need to be available 24/7 to stay on top of things. As an affiliate promoting other sites, I can put my sites on auto-pilot and take off to the Caribbean, Thailand or some other tropical paradise for weeks at a time with no worries. I'll bet you any amount that in 10 years I am still in this biz and your not.

Percentages don't pay bills.

its alot harder to run your own paysite then you think :2 cents::2 cents:

Depends what kind of affiliate you are an how much you have...

If you do say, 100 sales a day as a Media buyer...you are WAY better off staying an affiliate. You get paid a good % of the revenue from the sale up front and are likely working on thin margins. The amount of Cash it takes to lay out the media buying cost for those 100 joins a day is a shitload. You may have to wait 6 - 9 months if it is your own site before you are in the Black. Example....

100 joins a day. Member Value of the join for Life (depends on niche etc, but lets estimate) $100. To be competitive, you may have to spend $80 to acquire that join.

SO...

$80 X 100 daily joins = $8,000 X 30 days = $240,000 per month

You may need to lay out 1.2mm before you are in the black. Now, can you start smaller, sure, but Im talking about a guy who does 100 a day now as an affiliate and makes that 20% profit every day switching to doing it on his own. Now, he only needs to lay out maybe 2 weeks - 1 month of cash to float the media cost before his payouts come in.

It really depends on your situation, but I know a lot of guys that do 300+ joins a day (media buyers) and have NO desire to do it on their own. No huge capital, no employees and they have the ability to bounce between TONS of different offers....whatever is working best in a spot, they run it. If its your OWN, you are stuck using ONLY your sites.

The people who promote their own sites eventually become programs....

Where are the guys doing those # of joins doing their media buys?

The usual places. TJ and the other networks make up the core, but there are a million places out there to buy.

This is exactly what everyone should do. Start by getting your feet wet in the industry as an affiliate, but your long term goal should be to break away and do your own thing. It can be a gamble but the payoff is much higher.

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I know man, what I meant was which sites do they buy the media on? They go through TJ and then buy ads on.....? :)

See THAT info is valuable. LOL :thumbsup

Thanks Kane for visiting and for the heads up just fixed the problem.

I guess it's much more work having your own site than only promoting it.

All of them, LOL

The valuable info is much less the site (they always seem to find something that works everywhere) and much more the offers they run, ads they use, the landers they make, the path they create.

The good media buyers (I mean the dozen or so that REALLY rock) are pretty sophisticated. They test thousands of ads, hundreds of landers with different field and form configurations. They cascade 2-4 programs if the users is already in their first options DB, or fails out for some reason.

They don't use program stats. They have very , very detailed, automated stats that pull in the stats from every program via API. Systems that are able to rotate ads, landers, programs etc etc based on EPC. Everything is taken into account down to the penny. If you do 300 sales a day and one program is doing a 35 cent EPC and another is doing a 38 cent EPC....thats a 10% difference. Thats the difference between having to kill a campaign and having a decent money maker :)

Re-read what you wrote. Seriously.

There is dumb, and then there is dumb-DEEP.

You are deeper than the Mariana Trench :2 cents:

It's not that simple.

Server fees, billers, design, editing, many other costs to running your own site. If someone with traffic earns well, stick to promoting other sites & make 50%. Instead of pushing people into creating new content, I'd recommend emailing the program & asking if a possible increase is acceptable for a generous amount of traffic, I'd be happy to give 60% for decent traffic on my program :thumbsup

this, and the cost :2 cents:

There has been processors go broke and take the money with merchant accounts. Visa dropped for a while adult and the many changes of the evolution of the industry. Parts of programming may require additional skills etc. Plenty good arguments along with the fact you won't find affiliates if everyone had their own site.