$15 per hour, the real reason for the push
 

Have been thinking about the big push for $15 minimum wage, and what the real reason for the massive support from big government liberals,
I figured it out

Plugged the numbers in here Take-Home-Paycheck Calculator

Currently in NJ a minimum wage full time worker pays $27 in Federal taxes every 2 weeks, the bump in minimum wage increases the take home pay by 29%, which is good for the worker.

It increases the Fed share to $91.50 so tax revenue increases by 336%

You just go right ahead and keep believing it is about "they care for the little guy"

I think it goes further than that. It also takes them off of welfare.

A friend of mine owns a pizza restaurant here in town. He told me his payroll would go up $200k a year. That's staggering for a small business.

No, it does not.

IRL:

But now some workers in Seattle are finding that the higher wage is forcing them off the welfare programs they would rather stay enrolled in and, instead of celebrating their higher income, they are imposing fewer work hours on themselves in order to stay on assistance.
Some workers across the city are left telling bosses to give them fewer hours at the higher wage because a full week’s earnings now puts them past the threshold for some welfare payments such as food stamps and assistance with rent.

Seattle’s KIRO-TV recently spoke to a nursing nonprofit that admitted that some workers are trying to cut hours and earn less to avoid losing assistance. In another case, a local radio station has been talking about the story.

“If they cut down their hours to stay on those subsidies because the $15 per hour minimum wage didn’t actually help get them out of poverty, all you’ve done is put a burden on the business and given false hope to a lot of people,” said KIRO-FM’s Jason Rantz said this week.

Seattle Sees Unexpected Fallout from $15 Per Hour Min. Wage

A $15/hr minimum-wage-worker (burger flipper) will not exist -- a machine will take his job and he needs to be either retrained or he will be living at taxpayer expense on welfare -- this may become true in 50% of such minimum-wage-workers in 10 years.

Your argument makes no sense to me.

Robots can be made to cut lawns one tech supervising a robot gang. You would still need a few people to do the detail work in the gardens. But simple tasks can be automated. Robots get no paycheck, no social benefits or robot-fare. When we are done working them to junk robots get melted down as scrap.

Robots are a depreciated expense as compared to wages and benefits as being a COGS or cost of operations 100% expense. Still with a 5 or 7 year depreciation schedule -- robotics and automation will make economic sense.

So basically they were protesting to raise the min. wage to $15, but now that they got it they are cut from welfare and basically end up with less in the end then before?

Inflation. Wages go up, the cost of products & services go up.

not really. the bottom 50% contribute only 3% of federal revenue. minimum wage earners contribute pocket change. The pentagon buys a toilet seat with minimum wage earners tax money.

libbys dont want their base, victims, to ever get better. that would put the libbys out of business. so they push a number that sounds appealing to the poor, but can never get passed through state houses. simple as that. but at least they look like they tried. win-win for them.

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That's BS and you know it. Workers don't tell their boss they will only work X amount of hours. If a job needs a 40/hr week employee then the employer hires a 40/hr week employee. If that employee can no longer work 40/hrs or chooses not to work 40/hrs then the employers finds a new employee...

It would be a very rare case in which this didn't hold true.. Ie your article is probably talking about a single clase or two and presenting it as if it's very common..

Just lik the BS article where they tried to claim restaurants were closing due to the 15/hr min wage, despite it hadn't even kicked in yet..

Dumbfuck, I've had plenty of employees come to me and tell me they need to change their fucking hours and I worked with them to make that happen. And when I was working and putting myself through school, I changed my work schedule often throughout the year depending on exams and school assignments and schedules. All of my employers were happy to work with me.

With all your lawn mowing experience, im not surprised you find that impossible.

You're fucking stupid dude.

That's not how it works. You cannot just go around and firing people at random. There are labor laws in place.

100% people would ask for less hours due to their higher wages forcing them to lose benefits.

People will do ANYTHING possible to keep their benefits. Even when it comes to daycare in order to have full benefits your child has to stay in the daycare certain hours per week. Even IF the parents want to bring their child home for more hours thus costing the system less they cannot. They WILL lose their benefits.

Same deal when it comes to wage earnings.

You socialist types are complete comedy.

It may happen more often than we might know. A while back I was watching a documentary about poverty.One woman had 4 kids (she had been married then after 12 years her husband walked out on her) and had a job, but was also getting welfare. She got a good amount of housing assistance and lived in a pretty nice 4 bedroom home. She also got free daycare, some food stamps and a few other things.

Her job liked her and thought she did a good job so they offered her a pretty big promotion. When she crunched the numbers she realized if she took the job she would make enough that she would lose her welfare, but she wouldn't make enough to cover everything she would lose from welfare. Basically she was going to have a better life making less and staying on welfare thank taking the promotion.

In her case it worked out. She went to her boss and explained her situation. Her boss told her if she had a bachelors degree they could pay her more so they promoted her, and gave her as much of a raise as they could that would allow her to keep her welfare. She then went back to school and when she got her degree they would give her the big raise.

I wouldn't be shocked if there are a good number of people who end up in the same situation and they choose to work less in order to keep their welfare as opposed to earning more and ending up in that bubble where they are of welfare, but doing worse than they were when they were on welfare.

Exfuckingactly. Crockofshitt is unable to admit to welfare mentality/culture.

I don't think those numbers are right. How can a 29% increase in wages result in a 300% jump in Fed taxes for said worker/hours?

Of course when wages go up so do taxes. Duh. The problem? The wage doesn't go up enough to replace the help the Gov't is handing out, especially for handicapped people.

So really, I see it as the Gov't trying to do what it always does: have it both ways. Help "the people" in the short term while ultimately helping the giant Corps that ARE (in large part) the Gov't get what it really wants. What's that? More people coming to giant Corps for services rather than Gov't providing them.

So you know, same old same old.

It is not an increase in wages, the dollars they take home goes up 29%, the federal takes jump from $27 to $91, it is not the increase in tax rate, but the actual dollars. Payroll taxes also jump by about 20% of actual dollars

If I found out my local Pizza place was paying $15hr to their delivery people the tip would disappear. They already charge $2.50 for delivery which would most likely increase if the min wage went to $15hr.

I don't see FICA on the list of taxes. That's about 7.5% for the worker AND matching it for the employer. Total of about 15%.

The guy whom tells everyone that God is attacking Russia, calls others stupid..


Also if an employee fails to work the hours he/she is hired to work, then yes you can very much fire them as long as it's not due to medical issues, jury duty ect.. All other issues are up to the employer to decide if it's excusable or not.

As usual, your consertive mental disorder prevents you from carrying on a convo with out resulting to acting like a 12 year old. Please use your Obamacare to seek mental help..

so you're a fucking hypocrite too.

because just <2 fucking days ago it was AOfuckingK for you to call me a "fucking idiot" and you also exclaimed i'm what's wrong with America. and you had to twist my fucking post up in order for you to pull that bullshit/


so you can just keep on being a dumbfuck cocksucker and i'm going to keep schmearing your POS fuckwad hypcritical nose in your own fucking posts.

fuckwad cocksucker.

Damn well that sucks then. LOL
Good thing all my workers are outsourced. Shocking, isn't it?

No I said don't "act" like a fucking idiot.. I didn't call you one.. Two very different things..

I was giving you the option to not be a fucking idiot, rather than saying no matter what you are one..

I once told an ex "stop acting like a bitch."

Like I said. Ex.

:1orglaugh

Good thing I don't date Dynamo then.. :1orglaugh

here comes inflation :(

They will still be on welfare working less hours

Simple math, two unskilled minimum wage workers , let them both go and get one better skilled worker at $15:2 cents:

Whether you pay them one dollar or one thousand dollars per hour those jobs won't exist in ten years. We do not need 25% of the population now. In ten years we won't need 40% of the population. We don't have wars of attrition or plague anymore. So the question becomes what do we do wth 4 out of every ten adults when their skills aren't needed no matter how hard they we willing to work?

What's coming is some form of stay-at-home pay. Subsistence living all expenses paid. Until population controls are put in place it will only get worse. The problem will be global not national. The size of min wage will have zero impact on the problem. The real reason for the bump is to get votes in 2016 and to condition the public for 40% of the population going on furlough eventually.

Nice post. :thumbsup

Or, you could start a war in the desert and send them there ... oh wait ...

Another thing that factors in here, is what happens to the guys currently making $15/hr? They will want more, because they are more skilled then a burger flipper making $9 or whatever the minimum wage there is now.

We have this kind of hyper-inflation of wages happening in Poland right now in the IT Sector. I shit you not, at this rate in another 2 years it will be cheaper for me to start hiring programmers in Germany.

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Yep, I'm thinking that $15 will make a lot of good people apply who never would before.
Slack workers will probably pick up their pace because now they really have something to lose.

Not to worry. he is going to raise the price of each pizza, soda, and anything he can to off set that. In the long run he will make more.

Then a Pizza that was 12 to 18$ will be 18 to 26$ and we start all over again.

you dumbfuck cocksucker. this is what you stated


dumbfuck. and you did that by negatively spinning a comment i made to someone else AND when i've been beyond respectful to you.

gofuckyourself you dumbfuckcocksucker.

Increasing the minimum wage will really help internet retail sales and cost bricks 'n mortar stores like Walmart and Target a bundle. Increasing the minimum wage will also further trade globalization over the internet like what is going on at eBay with direct imported goods sold directly into the hands of US and Western consumers from lower wage countries.

So, what we we do with the surplus of unskilled workers this will create -- judging by the past we would draft them and go to war ... ouch! A private in the army does not get $15/ hr paychecks :2 cents:

Ronald McDonald in an "Uncle Sam Hat" on recruiting posters ... may be coming.

Old Town Pizza does some real strong volume. I think they also have room to bump their prices up to see zero net loss over current profits.

They also have room to use fewer ingredients.

It's called a joke. Pretty sure it was clear to anyone with half a brain.
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Look how do you not get it. You're paying people more... but in return for earning more people will receive less benefits. Thus wanting they prefer to work less. Working less hours for the same job is good for the economy how?

You kill someones motivation by not making it beneficial for them to work harder. In fact it is counter productive.

You don't see a problem with this? What do you not understand?

As I said "don't be" is giving you the "option" to not be a "fucking idiot" not that you are.. This gives you the power to choose if you want to be a "fucking idiot" or not be a "fucking idiot".

It appears you keep choosing over and over again to be a "fucking idiot". Clearly it's not me whom can make you a "fucking idiot", the choice is yours and yours alone. I'm not calling you a "fucking idiot", you instead are choosing to act like a "fucking idiot".

If it were up to me, I'd choose you to not be a "fucking idiot" as I don't care much for "fucking idiots" but my hands are tied as it's only you whom can choose to be or not be a "fucking idiot".

There hasn't been a draft since Vietnam, and even during the recent and current wars the military is still rejecting enlistees.

The wars of attrition are a thing of the past, the military needs skilled people that they can teach to fly drones, and use other smart weapons. There are only so many places to put those whose skill set has not progressed beyond burger flipping.

dude, sorry but you really need to stop using the word 'whom'.
you don't know how to use it properly. you just don't.
yet you use it all the time anyway and it's annoying as all fuck.
just stop it. please.

Why now?

Because we're in an election cycle, the left pulls this out every cycle.

"Vote for us and we'll give you more Free Stuff!"

Confident that the people who fall for it won't think through just where the money to pay for all that "free stuff" comes from.

It's not about helping people it's about votes, always has been, always will be.


:2 cents:

You might find this interesting but not a surprise .....


"When Wal-Mart Stores Inc. chief Doug McMillon announced plans to boost store workers? minimum wage earlier this year, he said the move was intended to improve morale and retain employees"

"Yet for some of the hundreds of thousands of workers getting no raise, the policy is having the opposite effect."

"In interviews and in hundreds of comments on Facebook, Wal-Mart employees are calling the move unfair to senior workers who got no increase and now make the same or close to what newer, less experienced colleagues earn"


Unintended Consequence of Wal-Mart's Raise: Unhappy Workers - Yahoo Finance


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Attention Mericans: when government pays partly the employees living (for example employer 50%, government 50%), it is partly socialism. It is also called as subvention for the companies aka government supports businesses by in actuality paying partly the workers salaries.

-"I will pay only that and that much, but workers can't live with it."
-"Don't worry, uncle Sam in here; we pay the rest."

Shocked! :1orglaugh

People are sick! Socialism is sickening!

You mean like vote for us MERICA Fuck yea we will build a wall and you don't have to pay for anything with taxes we'll just borrow from the Chinese...

The same people keep falling for that one over and over.

1. Pizzas can be delivered by drones *drone deliver service contractors
2. AI order takers can take phone orders alternately web forms or apps could enter orders.
3. Pizza assembly can be 60% to 80% automated.

Someone is going to make a shitload of money replacing restaurant workers ...

Hotel service workers may be an issue -- room rates might go up $10 /night (average).

Warehouse, retail and some service workers will take a big hit in the form of no jobs.

Police and prison costs will skyrocket though, with all the unemployed and lack of opportunity property crime will rise when they start a new occupation of crime. The laws will be changed to make it legal to shoot thieves in that act -- that is one option to lower unemployment in a $15 minimum wage world.

When machines (now AI robots) are advantageous over human employment costs the machines have always won.

I order my pizza online.

It allows me convenience, I can save my favorite pizzas. I can double check my order, ensuring fewer mistakes. And I can track my order, to get a better idea as to when it will be at my home.

http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/res...smi_july14.pdf

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Expanding Growth
and Opportunity
Findings from the Brookings-Rockefeller
Project on State and Metropolitan Innovation

These are technology retraining projects but they may be too intense for the lowest skilled workers ... Came in the email from Fierce Security (of all palaces).

Why could pizza assembly not be 100% automated?

No, then we just sit back and let the robots to work their asses off. There will be a little wealth distribution dilemma, but the easiest solution is to give most for me, so there won't be fight over that portion.