Refugees are not the crises - Its the monster which comes after...
 

This is something to think about

Wake up! The migrant crisis is here now but in just a year or two it might be WAR

That thing coming down the track can not, to me, look like the biggest humanitarian crisis since World War Two without bringing World War Three slithering along behind

It would be very nice if the world worked the way it ought to.

It doesn't.

The world works the way it always has - vicious and thoughtless, with occasional patches of decency.

That's why when children drown in their thousands in the Mediterranean we don't notice until one washes up under our noses, with a name and a parent.

And it's also why we don't think about what's coming down the line if it's likely to be bad.

Public opinion instead pivots on single, emotive events which have been in the past so long there's frankly little merit in getting upset.

Syria has been at war for five years. ISIS first sprouted legs in 2003, helped declare the Islamic State of Iraq in 2006 and went into Syria in 2011. It adopted its current form in 2013 and last year declared a caliphate which now controls the lives of 10million people in Iraq, Syria, Libya and parts of Nigeria.

The fact that 6.5million people are displaced within Syria, 3million have fled to neighbouring countries and 150,000 have claimed asylum in the EU would surely have informed anyone with a brain that there was a problem.

But no, it's come as a surprise in the summer of 2015.

And because we were surprised, we panicked. We put up fences, conflated refugees with migrants, threatened to deport them, declared we were full then with one dead toddler said: "Oh s***."

Had we thought quicker, and harder, we'd have set up migrant and refugee reception centres at the crossing points. We'd have given those in need a place to wash, visa forms and an option other than relying on the mafia.

We'd have made sure, too, that the entire EU treated everyone the same - rather than allowing Hungary for example to turn down 90% of asylum claims, forcing its refugees to move on if they want fair treatment in a friendlier country.

And it's not the sort where the most exciting it will get is some video game footage on the evening news.

ISIS and its sister organisations terrorise 8% of the world's landmass
War, in all its horror. War that stretches from the Atlantic to the Pacific, a war of superpowers, of modern technology and medieval cruelty.

I don't want war. I don't like war. My grandad never went abroad again after fighting through the last one, and it was so bad he refused to speak of it for half a century.

But I can smell it in the air, like a corpse downwind. And the sooner public opinion gets its boots on and deals with it, the less we will panic, the sooner we fight, and the sooner we will win.

Refugees are not the crisis - what they're fleeing is

Wars are different every time, but like a thread on a screw they turn the same way.

First come the refugees, and the world panics and worries about them when what they're running from is the real problem.

In this instance, the refugees are running away from ISIS on the one hand and the barrel bombs of their own government on the other, both of them using weapons we made, sold, or ennabled.

Behind them comes the monster - and the man steering our country while we enter its waters makes the captain of the Titanic look like a seafaring genius.

The full story here Wake up! The migrant crisis is here now but in just a year or two it might be WAR - Fleet Street Fox - Mirror Online

The propaganda is getting strong, looks like this is Plan B as to how to attack Assad. Of course, the migrants are in Europe because the UK/USA have destabilized the middle-east and North Africa by funding 'Rebels' and terrorists there, it is our own leaders who are to blame for the crisis, but now they've taken the truth to pieces and rearranged the story, the West has been planning to attack Syria since as early as 2001, they are getting restless now, they want to put their banking systems in place there, looks like they plan to do this one way or another, even if we've already worked out this narrative that we're being fed is complete BS

sharia law: coming to your community soon. if it's not there already.

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That mofo needs to be sent to the heart of isis controlled lands.

Thanks for posting that.

Once ISIS has established their "state", then we can bomb the living dog dookie out of it. They won't be able to do the same to us because monkeys can't fly sophisticated jets.

When you can target your enemy with air power, but they can't reciprocate it's pretty much game over. Just ask Germany and Japan.

It may not even come to that because ISIS can take territory -- but it's much harder to hold on to it once you have it. And it's not like you use Islam as an infrastructure. Things fall apart without doctors, plumbers, people to maintain a stable way of life. They'll most likely overreach and be destroyed from within.

there won't be a world war three. at least not in our lifetime. ISIS and the like will never be able to have the firepower the west has to even think about it.

The problem is once "The West" goes in with it's military, suddenly it becomes "the infidels have invaded a Muslim country".

What we need to do is collect these refugees and send them back to the middle east - to countries with strong governments and protections such as Saudi Arabia, UAE, and and others and say "This is a middle eastern problem, you fix it".

Also, I don't think ISIL is as big or powerful as everyone seems to think. We have images in our minds of them taking over large portions of Syria as well as Iraq. They have a strong foothold in Syria, but in Iraq it seems they have control of a few larger cities.

We all need to keep in mind that Middle Eastern countries seem to have large areas where the government has little if any control, and these seems to be areas that ISIL has taken root.

As far as ISIL's military strength, it's all ground based. They have no ships and no planes. The key to any modern day battlefield is through air power; Control the skies and you can control what happens on the ground.

US is already bombing them like crazy the problem is that there aren't proper ground troops, if US had ground troops + air attacks this will be wrapped up really fast.

It's not like the allied forces were pounding on Germany and they couldn't do anything, in fact in the beginning they had superior tech, which allowed them to be so successful. like the 'fau' rockets which after the war opened the door to space. Japan on the other hand only capitulated when two cities were nuked.

I guess if you just go and bomb everything that moves from air or you drop nuke over the area it will be over quite fast and you won't need ground invasion but nowadays you do have to care about civilians (or at least pretend to)

One of the problems is that those same countries won't take them, only Turkey, Lebanon and Morocco are taking Syrian refugees. Turkey and Lebanon are quite packed, the population of Lebanon is 25% refugees at the moment and no one is helping. Western Countries refused to give money to keep them there or put political pressure to other neighbouring countries to take them, well you can't wish problems away if you ignore it it gets worst...

But when you say "This is a middle eastern problem, you fix it" they can easily respond "You fucked up the middle east, it's your problem"

Agree there, ISIL's power is blown completely out of proportion in the media.

I think the whole point of this guys message about a 3rd WW is it wont be conventional war unless the bigger powers of the muslim countries get involved if we send in ground troops. ISIS dont have a lot of heavey weaponry and dont really have a command and control like we do over here in the west. Trying to fight a an emeny like Iiss with only air power wont work. We have been bombing them and so has Syria and they are still gaining ground.

Its an idealogy you have to fight which wont be soved by air power thats for sure.

Sending in ground troops would most prob be one of the only ways to try and stop them which could then spiral into something bigger Fighting a terror group like Isis will be costly to our ground troops as we saw in Afganistan. Isis is a much bigger problem than what people think they are even if they dont have a lot of weaponry because of the way they organize themselves without any real stucture and they have a lot of money which the west has also tried to stop whithout much success.

Watched some pics there are groups of more then 50 men passing the borders , no woman and children.

Agree, the biggest problem is ideological, even though people who fall into supporting IS are not necessary hardcore believers in the cause, It's just there is a lot of anger and dissatisfaction with the west and how western countries especially US and UK have been fucking the middle east for almost a century now (quite justified anger). IS present themselves as alternative and people fall for it. Sunnis in Iraq are under attack from Shias and seek protection. Young muslims in the west who are unhappy with the system, the establishment and how they are treated since 9/11 are easy targets for IS propaganda which presents it as the the only alternative, that's why they go to join IS and fight.
Amazing marketing though, if they were to put that effort into building a brand could've been the next apple!

IS is a strange phenomena, but it was allowed to evolve by the west, now the beast is a bit more powerful than expected and is inconvenient. One thing to keep in mind is that the west needs the middle east to be destabilized to certain extend, they have almost all the oil, we have almost nothing in comparison. If they were allowed to develop and own their oil history since the 1920's would've been completely different and those countries might've been the rich super powers. In a way what the west did and still doing with the middle east is a crime on the other hand if it weren't for it, the west would've been screwed, big time.

It's a multi dimensional battlefield and while we can bomb the shit out of IS and send ground troops, there is ideological battle and the west is losing that one, problem is we don't really have the moral ground to fight the ideological war...

Dude. But Kim K's dress did not kit and thats a much more important topic.

This is the problem with USA military thinking. The USA has lost every insurgency war since the stand-off in Korea.

Picking them (ISIS, IS, ISIL {the goat butt-fuckers}) off a few at a time from the air is a joke and is probably costing $250M for every one we kill that way. Look what was spent in Iraq and Afghanistan -- what good was it even with a 100K+ man invasion force sent to each of those countries with 100% air superiority?

Arm the military age immigrants and ship them back to fight their own wars?

Stop NATO, pan Arab and USA air strikes and let them duel to the death with the armaments they stole or bought illicitly -- they would be mostly fighting with sticks and stones had the USA, Russia, China and the EU not armed them in the first place. Smart move -- hand your enemy and his enemy a weapon -- shit for brains.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azYxPf_Ahp4



Clear the skies and give them rocket launchers.
We will have to deal with the last men standing one way or another:2 cents:
That's the easy way ...

f this guys figures are anywhere near right we sure do have problem

this sums it up very nicely. btw these are not immigrants, they are colonist... these people have absolutely no intention of joining our western society. they only have interest in establishing Islamic colony's here in the west :2 cents:

I agree with all the points you have made.

thats one part of the issue and its true.
just like what wht posted is also true.

many of you forgot about simple problem.
ISIS, Al Kaida, whatever - they are like Mr. GoldStein from Orwell's 1984.
they are there to stay to make all political goals that west may have - come true and real.

people who post "we should bomb them, we should send bombs/ drones blablabla" are creating the same mindset and setting that - created al Kaida firstly, and later - even more brutal - ISIS.

if the roots of the problem wont get eradicted - ISIL may die, but there will be ISIL 2, ISIL 3, all more brutal than previous versions.

so, what are the roots of the problem ? think for yourself....there are few reasons why ISIL got so strong.

also, don't you think that if ISIL wouldnt get at least small support from local people, they would be kicked out by them very shortly ? (just like so called Russian separatists in eastern ukraine). the anwser is easy - they are kind of accepted by some of the local people as Taliban was accepted in first years in Afghanistan - "oh god, finally someone that will create peace and prosperity here, finally there will be order here after all these years of war and unrest".

look what Putin did with Chechenya - before also the biggest pain in the ass for Russia...and now ? all calm.

War III will not resemble WWI or WWII. There will be no clear enemy/side/lines.

We only give a shit about bombing the shit out(or invading) of other countries to fill the pockets of war profiteers without thinking about the effects it will cause years down the road! All this shit started with destroying Iraq over some bullshit lies!

arabs have been slaughtering arabs long before Iraq and long before America was a country. there is no direct correlation between what is happening in syria and what happened in Iraq 15 years ago.

The West has a big problem on its hands. If I were to go back on gfy to quote myself after 911 nearly everything I predicted has come true, in regards to what would happen if the US were going into the middle to remove all the dictators from power. These guys were a necessary evil. You have to rule over the middle east with an iron fist. There just is no other way.

The US needs to get out of the Middle East. Period. Let Israel take care of itself. We need to take care of ourselves. The Middle East is Europe's problem, not ours. Like someone already said, they've been hacking each other to death years before there ever was a United States. They're not stopping anytime soon. We don't need anything from them at all. Let them eat sand.

Do you care link it?

I don't have time for that, but basically what I was sayin then was that America is making a big mistake starting wars over there. These people don't fear death. You can win. Better to contain. Saddam knew Iraq was a powder keg. Any of the tribes got bold he cut their heads off.. No mercy. America can't do that.

About the best rendition I've heard of that song.

I recall back when it first came out - still very appropo for the times we live in.