John Boehner resigned from Congress
 

Seems the radical right has gotten too much for him and instead of letting them pressure him into a govt shut down he's chosen to resign..


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/26/us...-congress.html


It's as if the right wing radicals didn't learn the last time they forced a govt shut down, once again they are wanting to shut the govt down to defund planned parenthood.. Guess it was all lies when they claimed that they could run the govt once they took the majority..

guess he finished! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

The fridge right wingers were trying to threaten him with loosing his job if he wouldn't agree to a budget which defends planned parenthood. He instead is resigning which means they can no longer hold his job over his head for the budget which means they can't force him to do it.

I don't really like him, but that's a pretty solid move by him.

i'm sure there were some crocodile tears involved.

nevertheless, Americans don't need to be spending $500 million a year on planned parenthood. pp would do just fine without the funding.

YES!!!!

It's about fucking time that cry-baby do-nothing old bastard got the fuck out of the way of progress.

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He was the worst speaker of the house in history. Good bye you old prick.

Maybe the pope got through to him. Made him see the error of his ways.

you play their game or get out. politicians are like mafia :2 cents::2 cents:

He was going to be voted out as speaker next month. He didn't want that embarrassment on his record, so he quit.

Are you fucking kidding? Sorry but that is just a purely ignorant statement.

Planned Parenthood is money very well spent. Most of their dollar goes into prevention and helping with women's health issues. It is one of the most important bulwarks against stds and with treatment of them.

You are going to be filling your Fruit of the Looms when his replacement is a hard line right wingnut.

"The devil you know."

Sounds like they will just elect another soft RINO in Kevin McCarthy from California.

no i'm not fucking kidding and no it's not a purely fucking ignorant statement. do some fucking research before you jump my fucking shit. defunding pp doesn't have jack fucking shit to do with what you are referring to.

What "research" did you do on the subject?

Just the fact that you don't realize what PP does on day to day basis makes me think you have less than zero clue.

i couldn't give 1 single fuck how many fucking clues you think i have.

next time, address me like an adult if you want to engage in an adult debate on the subject.

for the fucking record, when i researched this a while back, politifact, had concluded pp operates at an excess revenue level over costs. they labeled that mostly true, they later changed that to mostly false.

Abortion opponents claim Planned Parenthood had $300 million 'profit' | PolitiFact Florida

hardly a cut and dry issue.

especially when planned parenthood is doing things like spending $3 million on getting democrats elected in Texas.

Planned Parenthood aiming to spend $3 million on Texas elections in 2014 - Houston Chronicle

I was thinking that... did you watch his address to congress? Hey kinda stuck it to them... in a very nice Popey way of course... I liked what he said about Climate change too, and right after he said it, they cut to crazy Senator James Inhofe. I'm an atheist, but I think this Pope is a pretty freakin' awesome pope.


Dude shut the fuck up - you have no idea what you're talking about. You're the one who made the statement and yet you demand Far-L to do the research for you? Fuck off. Prove your point or STFU.


That's entirely possible, but at this point, anyone will be better than the crying tan man.

Fair enough. My apologies and will try again.

I personally believe you are very mistaken to have the opinion, which I believe is essentially misinformed, that PP is not worthy of federal budget support. In so far as if you had the benefit of a complete perspective of the benefits of Planned Parenthood's services, then I feel you would probably be very supportive. I urge you to learn more about Planned Parenthood.

How's that?

fuck off you stupid piece of shit canaduhian. i posted my fucking view on the subject without stepping on anybody's toes.

i appreciate that. and no worries. i have no problem getting facts right. as you can see from my post above, even politifact concluded that pp operates in excess profits, along with their spending millions on political campaigns as shown in the other link i provided.

i don't think that's a fair use of tax payer dollars. and from everything i had read on the matter, pp's public accounting leaves much to be sorted out and is quite vague.

no wonder you're afraid of getting shot because of the mean-spirited shit you say to people. you stupid fuckwad.

Not a fan of his in general, but the guy really was in a no win position. I think he would have made compromises, like any good Republican speaker of the House with a Democratic president -- but these are insane times. The ultra right wing pricks make it impossible to wrangle votes needed to get even the most basic, routine government business done.

Something is seriously wrong with our government, more specifically with the Republican party. When they don't get their way they cry and pout like little children. This has been one massive failure after the other.

"We don't like what is happening so we are going to shut down the government - again". How about we try this on for size: The moment our government shuts down, every senator and congressman is out of a job and unable to run in the next election.

I'm trying to convince myself that I am not a Democrat, but I cannot understand the Republican party at all.

Obamacare is a great example. It was a Republican idea (Romneycare really), and instead of trying to work together for the common good for all Americans, the Republican party spent four years trying to kill it - even after it was a law. Don't fight it, fix it, and then claim it as your own. The end result is years wasted, Obamacare is the law of the land, more Americans than ever before have insurance, and the Republicans look bad.

Now their cause is abortion. What, what? This shit again? This shit was decided by the Supreme Court decades ago, and Roe vs Wade is the law. But someone who doesn't agree with it makes a fake propaganda video and suddenly we are trying to deny women childbirth medical care and threatening to shut down the government over this? Really?

Then we have the plan to beat Hillary. OMG LOL. Let's have yet another million dollar investigation into Benghazi, or let's talk some more about her email which seems to have been more secure than the White House's email.

The plan for the Republicans is very, very simple: They need to court the Hispanic vote and women. Instead their front runner opened up his campaign with "Mexicans are rapists" and then picked fights with every women he could while calling them bimbos.

roe v wade has nothing to do with planned parenthood.




planned parenthood spends $1.5 million on Obama campaign

Planned Paenthood Action Fund Endorses President Obama and Launches Large Ad Buy in Key Swing Markets, Educating Voters About Mitt Romney's Out-of-Touch and Harmful Positions on Women's Health - Planned Parenthood Action Center

planned parenthood has >$1 billion in assets
ISSUU - Planned Parenthood 2013-2014 Annual Report by Planned Parenthood Action Fund

in an age of out of control government spending, i see no problems with cutting pp funding from taxes to an appropriate amount for a non-profit.

"...in March, a Government Accountability Office (GAO) report examined three years of funding for PP and other abortion groups. That report found state and federal partnerships, such as Medicaid and CHIP, spent $1.2 billion on programs and grants to Planned Parenthood, including about $401 million in 2012. However, this data doesn’t assist in fully defunding Planned Parenthood, because nobody knows who is spending what. From an article I wrote in March: “GAO’s Director of Health Care, Dr. Marcia G. Crosse, told LifeSiteNews that ‘we are not able to differentiate what portion of that funding is federal, and what portion is state funds. And the contributions to those programs vary by state.’”

While the Family Research Council (FRC) used the GAO report to calculate that more than $96 million came to PP exclusively from the feds in the form of Title X funding, that is only a fraction of the amount of federal funding PP affiliates and clinics receive. Arina Grossu, director of the FRC’s Center for Human Dignity, asked the right question in an e-mail to me: “It shouldn’t be this difficult to find out how our taxpayer money is being used to fund Planned Parenthood. Where is the transparency?”

What About the Other Money?
Funding confusion is not all GAO found. Over the three years analyzed, PP affiliates received $24 million in reimbursements that weren’t included in GAO’s calculations of funding received by PP affiliates. From page 40 of the report, with emphasis added:

Some PPFA affiliates expended federal grant funding but were not required to report it to OMB because the amounts expended did not meet the required threshold. According to data provided to us by PPFA, these affiliates expended approximately $23 million in grant funding. In addition, some PPFA affiliates received an additional $24 million in reimbursements for services provided under the federal programs listed in table 25."

http://www.gao.gov/assets/670/669140.pdf

Why Congress Won't Defund Planned Parenthood

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/u....-years-gao-rep

It doesn't?

I am pretty sure that Roe vs Wade was about abortion, and I'm pretty sure the reason they want to remove funding for Planned Parenthood is because they perform abortions. Any one with one fourth of brain can see they are trying to get around the Supreme Court Roe vs Wade ruling by threatening to shut down the government if Planned Parenthood is funded.

So yeah, they are connected. Directly. They are trying to ensure Planned Parenthood is not funded in an event to get around a Supreme Court ruling. You know: "We want candy and if we cannot get it we will throw a temper tantrum" and threaten to shut down the government (again).

What a great way to run our government... "We don't like the ruling so we will do everything we can to get around it". Just Obamacare.... "We don't like Obamacare but instead of trying to fix it or offer up a better solution we are going to spend the next four to six years fighting it".

you might want to learn about roe v wade before trying to teach others about it.

it's an SC opinion that gives women the right to choose an abortion.

women still have the right to choose abortions, regardless if pp is funded (or not) by the government and regardless of government shutdowns.

No, I don't need to learn about Roe vs Wade. It gives women the right to choose an abortion.

Since Roe v Wade the pro lifers have been doing everything in their power to stop abortions, and Planned Parenthood - which performs over three hundred thousand abortions a year - is their prime target. They cannot beat Roe v Wade, so they are trying to prevent organizations such as Planned Parenthood from performing abortions by ensuring the government doesn't fund them.

They are trying to stop abortions even though it's perfectly legal.

This is a very basic concept.... The beliefs of one group of people cannot dictate the rights of another group. Pro-lifers cannot decide if a woman can or cannot have an abortion. At the same time, a county clerk does not get to decide who can and who cannot get married.

the government does not fund pp abortions, and no the government isn't trying to take that right to abortions away by defunding pp.

the defunding issue is due to the selling of fetuses and the videos that depict an unscrupulous business practices such as illegal abortions.

We had this discussion about the video and you lost; The video wasn't of an abortion. Depending on which truth you believe (both of which you posted) the video was either of a stillborn child or a premature baby that is still alive. (If you wish I will GLADLY bump the thread for you.) Either way the video Carly discussed during the debate had nothing to do with an abortion.

The video was nothing but propaganda, and was completely and utterly false.

This is the problem.... A group of people believe in their cause so damn much that when a propaganda video lies to them they believe it and fap fap fap and they go on the war path trying to shut down our government in a vain attempt to get around Roe v Wade.

YOU CANNOT SHUT DOWN OUR GOVERNMENT BECAUSE OF YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.

The truth is I really don't care too much about abortion or Roe v Wade. If women want to get an abortion, they should be able to. My issue here is that the Supreme Court has ruled on this - a LONG time ago - and people need to accept that. This all goes back to "I am not getting my way and I'm going to cry about it".

I'm sorry, but not matter what someone else's beliefs will never control my actions. I life my life by my rules, not someone else's rules. Imagine if these religious fanatics had their way - they would just say "porn is bad for you and makes your palms hairy" and it would be against the law.

i didn't lose jack shit, i'm not competing with you. that video thread was about fiorini and her video, not about the issue i mentioned above which is 1. roe v wade has not one thing to do with defunding pp and 2) my orignal comment here was about needless government spending.


i couldn't give a shit about beliefs, my point goes to wasteful government spending. i stated my view, Americans don't need to be spending millions of dollars on planned parenthood when pp would do just fine without the majority of the funding. spin my view any way you want and bump any thread you're confused about.

again. it's beyond clear, my comment goes to spending money on an outfit that doesn't need federal funding. and in fact, i even state that i recognize pp would still exist and operate going forward without the fed help.


but hey, spin that shit any way you think you need to win wtfever it is you think you are competing about.

Goodbye, Boner!

Maybe Harry Reid will follow him out the door.

(Agree in whole)

But... It should be pointed out that the video in question was a highly edited propaganda piece with a specific hatchet job to accomplish that distorts the facts wildly.

Let's check "crockett science" against reality:
It is the JOB of the Congress to use the power of funding to keep the executive branch in check.

What happened the last time they did their job and the govt. "shut down" (which isn't really what happens)?
What did the "right wing radicals" learn?

Well...the shut down occurred in 2013. In 2014 the Republicans gained even more seats in the House AND seized control of the Senate for full power in the legislative branch.

You see crockett...that people were angry at Republicans for actually doing what the founding fathers designed Congress to have the power to do, is nothing more than a fable fabricated by the Democrat Party. The Republicans were REWARDED in the very next election even though all the talking heads on CNN and MSNBC predicted they would be punished at the polls.

That is what happens when you actually DO what you promise when elected.
Not saying I agree with the things they promised and that people voted them in to do. But that IS their job. To do the will of the people.
Not the will of the wacko fake liberal left minority, or the will of the news channels.

I don't personally believe the Federal Govt. should be funding ANY private enterprise.
And especially any health related one now that the almighty ObamaCare is in full effect.
Nobody NEEDS that federal funding anymore. Everybody has to have ObamaCare insurance now and so any woman that wants to go to Planned Parenthood has it paid for with their insurance.

End of story.

Thank you for being a good guy. I agree that particular video fiorini used was a propaganda piece. Nevertheless, there are several videos and exposes surrounding pp. They may or may not be accurate. But all of the controversy reveals that there is no transparency with pp, no Congressional oversight either. I think a real audit of how much funding they really need from us is in order.

I think they do provide value and I'm prochoice and have no problems with legal abortions and I'm certainly not a republican. But if the USA can save millions and millions of dollars every year by funding pp properly, I'm all for it.

And I apologize for reacting to your post regarding my view the way I did. I do tend to have to strongly defend my views around here, I lumped you into that group that jumps my shit when I state my thoughts on the topic.

Yes you did. You were proven wrong as it was shown countless sources to be a bullshit video with zero relationship to pp.

The dumb Carly bitch lied her ass off in the debate.

Please don't let Canada ever become like the good ol' US of A.
Thank you.

Wrong again. The video I posted was entirely different than the propaganda video by fiorini and i included the statement by the video's owner that it was in fact an abortion and not a miscarriage. And I also included a link to photos of the other baby, the one that was a miscarriage and it was wrapped in cloth and treated with dignity.

You want to believe doctors toss miscarriages into steel bowls in front of their mothers, that's just more crocket science.

here is my post from that thread, without your's or rochard's bullshit spin on it::

none of that footage is in the fiorini ad

and here is my other post from that thread, that includes the actual pictures of the baby rochard is thoroughly confused about.

rochard's confused post
here is my post of pictures of that baby, Walter Fretz. Clearly not tossed into a bowl.


you two are way out of your league.

It's very sad that you think Planned Parenthood should be defunded.

From their website:

Then again, not unexpected from you. Sad, but not unexpected.

not a quick enough edit, fuckwad.


:1orglaugh

it's vitriol like this that makes you afraid someone is going to shoot you for the shit you spew around here.

Anyone have a metric to calculate the estimated net increase of low income black and mexican babies should PP be defunded?

it's against the law for pp to use government funds for abortions. :)

None. We have ObamaCare for everyone now. There is no need for the Feds to be funding a private business. Especially now with ObamaCare.

Lol. Shows how much attention I've been paying to the issue. Still though, my gut tells me that defunding will somehow result in more blacks and mexicans. Oh well, who knows. :1orglaugh

If ACA were socialized universal healthcare, that would be true, but the so-called "donut holes" mean that millions of Americans do not qualify for ACA coverage. Yeah, your insurance went up, but that was to make the insurance billionaires richer, not to help people.

Plus prescriptions prices have gone up so much now that copays with insurance now often exceed cash patient prices of just a few years ago.

So funding financial support for young women who are knocked up is wasteful spending?

The Republican party is getting it's panties in a bunch over an issue that has been decided a decades ago. What is the best possible outcome here? I only see three possible outcomes. (1) They defund Planned Parenthood, which results in a lot of young women having children out of wedlock and no support for them, (2) They shut down the government (again), and then (3) the fail to defund Planned Parent hood and look like idiots again.

The Republican party continues to back itself into corners which only has bad endings for them. Their support for this dumb county clerk is another perfect example. There is only two endings for this women - she either goes back to jail or she allows gay marriages, either of which is a fail for those who support her.

Another example is Obamacare. Instead of fixing it, the Republican party vowed to destroy it. Again, this goes one of two ways and either way the Republican party comes out with mud on their face - Either they win and kill Obamacare resulting in tens of millions of people loosing their healthcare, or they fail to kill Obamacare and look stupid in the process.

The Republican party needs to stop backing itself into corners where they come out as losers. The Republican party - and the American population in general - should not even be discussing defunding a group that supports young women who need help the most.

Rochatd, you can't read and think this is about beating me at something so I'm not at all inclined to waste my time with all that.