Sad answers of cheating affiliates
 

In our cam program, about 8 or 9 every 10 new CPA (PPL) affiliates, create the free accounts themselves with proxy/vpn and temp emails, some even use always their same IP for all account, same IP they used to create the affiliate account :)
This is ok, but we're always wondering how to tell them that their fraud it was so easy to see from us. Some will reply very upset. We normally write a few info like IP addresses, emails and other things they made that is so obviously fraud, as if you simply write them "your sigups are fakes" they will say this is not true, and they will write in all forums that we do not pay with excuses. If you also post the list of vpn (or at times, same own) ip's and stuff, at least they don't say it is not true. However, then some will say they're so poor and unlucky and please pay me the same, like if we are so bad for not helping them, after all they spent lots of time into making fake accounts.
Some, will say it was "a friend" who made fake signups using their affiliate accounts, and so on.

Just as example, this is one from today:


------- We: ---------------
Dear new affiliate xxxx
You made all signups from proxy/vpn, a same pc, and email schema... [some evidence here]
Do you agree you cheated or?
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------ Affiliate: -----------
Hello,

No I never used fake signups when referring people to TubeCamGirl. One of my friends could of possibly used fake emails or a VPN/proxy of some sort to get me banned as I told him to sign up and I guess he just wanted to get me suspended so I wouldn't obtain my earnings..
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------- We: ---------------
Hi,
Your "earnings" all came from the fake signups anyway. The account is yours so if fake signups is made by you or "friend" is same, that's your account. If you have read the "instructions" page, we do not allow signups from proxy/vpn and so on - also in case of chat traffic you had to contact us in advance (have you read instructions page?)...
Sorry but we can't cooperate.
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------- Affiliate: ---------------
Well could of the people I gave the links to use a vpn anyway i dont understand what a vpn is i never used fake signups Im just trying to get some money because I have no other job or way of income and my boyfriend and family has abandoned me. it just sounds unfair that i was giving links out to people in chats and that I cant get my money :( im just a girl in a small town please can you understand.
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------- We: ---------------
We are not the red cross or united nations. All of the signups of payable amount was fake. It is not like, there was some good signups and some bad signups, all was bad. Sorry.
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... I wonder if I was too much mean in answers, but really we get several new cheating affiliates every single day and lots of those emails going with them every day and when they tell sad (and probably fake too) life stories begging for help, I end up psycho.

She probably decided to kill "herself"

Sad that there is a way to even scam people on the net.. All my programs back in the day you whould have to contact them to get your sign ups.. Dont understand why...

I heard Miley Was Cheating on Me With Avril "ouch" .....



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Kinda Somthing to do with cheating Affilates...

U Could Probably explain her how to work instead of sending fake sign up

a smart owner would offer afew tips to make those bad affiliate an intelligent affailites :-)

Anyway Forword me thier data, i might have job for them if they follow me

Sounds like Indonesian or Filipino scammer

Whatever :-)
Simply explain him how to generate traffic and show them how to play
if they do well, keep them if not just banned with no mercy

So she's a girl.
Tell her to cam...

Excatly dude, Good idea, seriously smart idea :)

Congratulation :-) matter is sloved

Honestly I would not discuss with them.

How to deal with a cheater:

Step 1 : Fuck you you cheated, go away !

The end

Why are you wasting time with a conversation?

Lets say I come to your house and take a shit on your doorstep. Then I ring the bell, and instead of running away, I stand there looking proudly at my shit as you answer the door.

Are you going to either...

1) Have an engaging conversation with me, while I make every excuse under the sun for voiding my bowels on your step and try to convince you that I've actually done you some kinda favour...

or...

2) Tell me to get the fuck off your property and don't ever come back!

Well, its pretty much the same thing :2 cents:

only thing you did wrong is wasting your time on this.

:thumbsup

where are they from ?

Exactly this.

stupid people... it's even easier to get valid leads with spamming than going through that pathetic bullsht

I disagree I waste time with these guys, for these reasons:

1) It is my job to answer to affiliates, whatever the question or the matter, after all. Other admins talk with cam girls, developers fix the code, and I am supposed to reply to affiliates... Our best affiliates bringing lots of real signups never ask anything, they are super silent. Our top 3 affiliates generating thousands of signups never wrote us anything, really, they appear from nowhere sending tons of traffic and that's it. The only ones writing, are those with issues, who are not many, or who are generating themselves issues and cheating, who are the most. If I stop to talk with cheaters, I literally have nothing to do in my daily job.

2) Years ago when I started dealing with affiliates, I was replying quite quickly to cheaters: "you made fake signups / you used stolen credit cards / [whatever], so you will not be paid, please go doing this to some other site, bye". However, since I did not provided details of how I figured they was cheaters, they was replying with things like: "My signups are legit, you are the cheater, I will write in every forum that your program do not pay". Then, I learned to add enough details of their obvious cheating in the reply, such as a list of IP addresses with DNS reverse showing all proxies/vpn and hackish hosts (and in some cases, all using same IP, guess how smart...), use of same temp email provider for all accounts, use of a same pattern for account names or emails like bob001, bob002, bob003, bob004, and so on. This takes 5 minutes extra to reply because I have to copy & paste some stuff, but, totally avoids the type of reply: "My signups are legit and your program is the cheater I will tell everyone you do not pay". However, while some say "sorry" or simply do not reply... many others will say "a friend helped me to make signups and he is who cheated, poor me". Delegating the fake signups to the rogue friend who helped it is more common that you would expect. Then, the affiliate becomes the honest victim of the rogue friend or "coworker" who, for some reason, would not create an own account to cheat us, but instead do this inside the account of this other affiliate, who knows nothing about that is a proxy or vpn. Again, this type of excuse happens more often you can imagine. At this point, you hear sad stories of needing money to buy medicine for sick relatives, to complete studies or let a small kid complete studies, and things like that. At this stage I do agree with you guys, this is too much, and then I reply in sarcastic way.

If you know how to "spam", for example with a bot inside chat apps, for sure this is 100 times more effective use of the affiliate's time per signup, than doing account yourself one by one, having to change proxy and email every single time, solve captcha's and so on.

1. Personally I'd get you more and different tasks to fill up your time and put it to use in a more productive way.

2. Replying with detail is perfectly fine I am not saying to not do that. Starting back and forth mailing about it is what is a time waster imho. Like you say most of the times you get the sad stories and bs excuses anyways ;)

Just my 2 cents, to each his own of course, cheers :thumbsup

Dear Program Owner,
I made my affiliate account at Pho99, our islands only coffee house and internet provider. I put a sign up at the counter "Free account to see naked ladies - Pho99ladies.com" All my sign ups will come from same IP.
Thank you,

PS: Now now will go post on GFY that you are a cheater.

Different and more productive tasks, such as, read GFY? :)

Haha well that's exactly what I told one of our support girls ;)

I always thought you were the owner. Same thing I used to think about Roald when he was at FreeOnes.

this is bad,you do not sound professional.
stick to your part of business, tell them issue and thats it.

Remind when when I was cheated and lied to by my own lawyer. They expect me to keep maintaining good relationship.

I previously directed cams at met-art and I sure am not the owner of met-art :)

Same here I thought the same thing !

:2 cents::2 cents:

The less you waste time on a backstabber/cheater!! :2 cents:

When you run stupid program like 3$ per free join, you telling people : hey come here and cheat on me

Why so much hater and low class poeple here :-)

listen dude, a cheater could be a clever advertise if he s interested to make cash.
a few tips like buying traffic, fake profiles, xhmaster videos and so on could make it works instead of making fake leads.

Try this option email them how to work and wait afew days and you will see resulte.
actually your program is not that interesting and there are many programs which pay better then you do but if you catch most of your affiliates and Treated them like they should be, i guess U Would be the winner.

All Others comments are just fucked up, U better see the positive side instead of bla bla bla without no-sense

Am i logic enough dude?!
Certainly

[QUOTE=adultmobile;20595509Our best affiliates bringing lots of real signups never ask anything, they are super silent. Our top 3 affiliates generating thousands of signups never wrote us anything, really, they appear from nowhere sending tons of traffic and that's it. [/QUOTE]

Are they on revshare or PPL ?

Don't give them any details of how you detect them, because then they will learn how you track it and invent new cheating schemes around it.

We don't give revshare. Just PPL or PPS. About attracting cheaters by offer $3 per free signup, sure we attract, but as others noted, it takes too much time per signup to make them look like real, so there's really no one doing fake signups and being paid. That's also how chaturbate and crakrevenue programs work, I mean, it is a known science.

About don't give hints how we find they cheated: we give 1/3 hints and when they return there's other 2/3 hints then they give up. I rarely see the same guy doing more than 2 affiliate accounts, in fact, they spend hours to make like $20 worth of signups and not being paid, then lots hours for other $20 and again not being paid, I mean...

About teach cheaters how to generate real traffic: I see from http referrals of their signups, that most come from black hat and even white hat forums, some cheater came from GFY lol... (but very few affiliates from GFY really lately...), so they read about traffic methods all the day, but decide to do fake signups.

There is however another type of affiliate who is writing: the wanna be affiliate, who really never been an affiliate before. Usually a 16 year old from india, Bangladesh or Sri Lanka, will signup, then write a letter such as: "Dear Grand Master Guru of Naked Girls Online, I have a Big Veneration of you Sir, and I so much wish to Learn the Secrets of Making Money Online Without Any Effort While I Sleep, Like you doing. Please Can you Teach Me what I should do and where to start, I know nothing but even from Small Thing it can Become the Big Thing, the Sage Said. I know nothing except how to create an account in your site, Sir, and I solved your Captcha in few seconds. I will devote my Entire Life at being your Minion and do all What you Command, Oh Supreme Master of The Traffics. Can you add my Skype and I will take only few hours a day of Your Time so you will Teach Me HTML and all those Magnificent Secrets".

Except those aren't affiliates, those are scammers/thieves and the more info you give them in your conversations they will use it to find new ways to cheat your program. :upsidedow

Sadly I have to disagree with you on this one.

The next time she try's this he has actually made her better at it.

Your program is impossible to get sign up from, I think you are cheating. Not the affiliate.

1,288 uniques 0 signups

Dating Gold:

858 Uniques 79 signups

MTree:

798 Uniques 44 signups

How much did you make with the DG and MT signups? Were they PPL?

dating Gold seems to be working :-)

Quoted for truth

And your affiliate username is?