If Adult Sites Were Stocks Which 5 Would You Invest In?
 

Good Monday Morning To Everyone :thumbsup

Fun hypothetical question. If every adult site were a publicly listed stock. Which 5 would you invest in? There is one restriction you can only pick two of the same type of stock (ie 2 tube sites, or 2 cam sites or 2 billers).

none ....

Followup question for you... Why are you in the industry? Surely you can get a job in something you believe in that can pay you as much if not better?

In fact even if it paid less you should leave. The second you don't believe or love what you are doing get out. You'll be much happier. Life is too short to not be happy.

I wouldn't for three reasons.

Mastercard & Visa could change the rules at any time. (Commercial Risk)

Various countries may outlaw Internet Porn or make it more difficult to access (Sovereign Risk)

Most corporate structures of big porn companies involve tax havens. (Local Taxation Risk)

Fair enough. But in an ideal world where those factors don't exist. It's just a hypothetical question. Ie which sites do you believe are the top of their category.

For some reason we cant invest is us companies but theree are many money making sites to be invest

Great topic shap !

Curious to see everyone's answers

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Yeah. Clearly not going in the right direction yet!

How've you been?

Great thread, Shap. :thumbsup

I?d go long JAS, GEEK, 21SX, EPCH +1 in the mobile space.

and of course buy more of our own. ;)

Chaturbate for cams, their growth in the last couple years has been impressive.

http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?o=lt&...chaturbate.com

Too much risk imo. Don't even trust normal market at its current levels

Very good man. Busy with the fam and the tons of projects around here.

lmk if you're ever in Montreal again

Chaturbate and Netbilling. Rest are too shady or risky. Others worth investing in are outside US.

Xvideos/Xhamster, jasmin, epoch

And of course our own stocks ;)))

i would short them all :)

I'd invest in my own projects, because I believe in them.

Add to that Met-Art, Kink, PornHub and Fleshlight.

You still idle Shap? ...Everything ok? :)

PIMPROLL = Diversification is the key to stability and they do a great job with that. They are as close to a mutual fund as porn has ever had

VideosZ = Interesting things in the pipeline and very bright people matter

Rabbits = Buying TBP was a bold and very smart move

MyPorn = Rick has been right too many times to be overlooked with something new

Three other companies I am working with may become HUGE very soon as well and Id buy stock, but they aren't ready to be announced. If you want details Shap, get me on Skype.

Chaturbate and Streamate for cams
Chaturbate for their growth and reach, Streamate for their fantastic ability to get the users to spend, again and again.

Xvideos and Pornhub
Xvideos for being so easy, accessible and well known. Pornhub because of its new Premium offering together with the community thought.

Then I'm left with one more,
Playboy or Twistys, which are the two I started out with,
Kink who has amazing rebills,
Sextronix who have made me the most
21Sextury for its vast selection of sites
or Bangbros for their high quality content which convert at very nice numbers?

Since it's you Shap who's asking, I wouldn't dare to say any other then Twistys... ;)

I would pick one in each major area for diversification:

1. Billing company
2. Traffic broker
3. Tube site
4. Content site (paysite)
5. Cam Studio

(And not necessarily in that order.)

Our own, a handful of partners and a cam program.

Still money in porn :)

Without knowing how well each of these are doing these are the ones I would choose

Streamate blue chip industry standard cams company with great ownership
Epoch blue chip billing company with great ownership
MyPorn my outside high reward choice. Love Rick and would always bet on him.
Kink is a nice diversity pick. I like that.

I was going to reply with this almost word for word :thumbsup

our own stuff, we're about to do something epic :thumbsup

Followup statement for you... You are not in the industry. Here years gone by, and no website fruit to be spoken of. Surely you can discover a job to occupy your life?

http://www.chrismadden.co.uk/images/...e-cjmadden.gif

If every adult site were a publicly traded stock - we'd have all the historic data, press releases and every metric commonly available to make such a decision. Asking this question to most of these people is sinply asking "what/who do you like" and not "who has built a really solid company, solid management team and have a time proven plan for consistent r future growth". As time has proven, great coding, great photography/content, great design or great PR does little for longevity in this industry if those at the helm aren't extremely competent at running a business and staying ahead of the trends.

LOL I'm doing it to upset you and give you a reason to post. Is it working yet?

Seems there is a general consensus about top cam companies and billing companies.
Some would invest in top tubes, some not.
Few mentioned content producers.

I have to agree with the general consensus, and say nothing new or different from the other guys. For cams the complete list is here:
Complete list of cam sites existing, all of them - GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum
From that list, I would either bet for the top 5, or, buy 5 of the mid-lower sites and merge them together, it may cost less than buy 1 of the top, and end up nice, but, there's no real M&A geniuses in adult space it seems :)

Issue of tax havens: there was VAT dramas for AFF/Streamray years ago, and for Fabian/Manwin more recently, for example. We do pay the VAT since the start and it is painful, may lower profits a 20% in EU sales, but we passed TAX inspections getting even compliments from them, that's so cool, we're happy to be 20% less rich. Or are we just pussies? Question for investor: there are 2 companies to chose from, one tricks tax but shows 30% more profit, other is paying it all but shows 30% less profit, would you invest in what company if you're for short period investment or for getting dividend as long as it comes? Honest answers... :)

Streamate simply from my experience in them growing revenues so big for so long

Mojohost because a company with customer service like they provide will always grow

Blacked.com/tushy.com these sites blew me away, and I can't wait to see their next release
And
Porntube/4tube simply because these guys do it right and have a very clear vision

And if it was a controlling stake, both met-art and X-art

FFS get a job already.

Why does it both you guys so much that i post?

Chaturbate

Netbilling
Myfreecams
Epoch
Xvideos
Bangbros

AdultCentro network(including ER)

Chaturbate
Streamate
Epoch
Pornhub

Spot on.

anyone that hires us :winkwink: :1orglaugh

Because you aren't living the dream.

The dream is to sell out for millions then get the fuck OUT of dirty, socially-unacceptable PORN. Not continue to troll (albeit on a Bro level) an Industry you sold out of and have yet to re-invest in. So it makes one wonder WHY you stick around here, trying in futile to find something, anything, in Adult worth your time and money. The fact that you haven't, and you are still here, also tells volumes.

Think Al Pacino in The Godfather. What's his dream? To go legit, to get the fuck OUT of dirty socially-unacceptable organized crime. You got the fuck out and are still here so it confuses many people.

For me tho you continue to be an inspiration. For when I sell out for seven figures plus it will be POOF bye-bye porn. I will not be like Shap. :)

:GFYBand

I would invest in the same sites I already invest in, which are my own. And no, I'm not listing them here.

I make probably about a quarter to a half of what you used to make (a lot of money) not in adult industry, I'm here somewhat because I am slowly opening a webcam studio

Myfreecams
Epoch
Xvideos
Streamate
I would have to better research for #5, it would be one of the mobile guys like Kimia, Affil4you, Bitter or SGM
I'm amazed these guys are going overlooked by everyone.

I would do the same and hedge with calls on Yahoo (tumblr) and Paypal.

What companies from our industry are actually really listed on the stock market? I know the holding behind XCams is. Private and AFF I think as well or? Anything more?

Private has a market cap of less than half a mill. AFF/Penthouse IPO was a disaster and I believe they were kicked off the exchanges.

I would not invest in any porn company which is publicly traded, although I think many adult companies are still good private investments.

Most funds can't invest in anything adult. Much of this is because the extremely powerful CALPERS pension fund has a policy against adult. If most institutional investors can't buy, then a stock is limited in what multiple it can achieve. Doesn't matter what your strategy is or how awesome the balance sheet and income statement and growth rate are because adult stock is artificially deflated.

Any porn company which chooses to IPO, especially in the US, is just demonstrating that it's leadership doesn't understand the market or thinks the PR is worth the bother.

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That's Fair :thumbsup:thumbsup

I honestly don't see any that convince me they'll grow or do better a few years from now. The free model is taking over slowly and while a site may profit from doing that as tubes did, MFC/CB, ... I don't know how long it will last.

Perhaps short term investing would yield a profit.

Lelo would be my top choice.

i guess i'd be broke

Why so many Epoch's and so few CCBills?

So you wouldn't invest in the company you established? :Oh crap

Kink content is everywhere for free, too much work to remove lots of it.

I would invest in clubdom.com..:2 cents: