Turkey 'down Russian warplane on Syria border'
 

Turkey 'down Russian warplane on Syria border' - BBC News

I just woke to this - How come we aren't talking about it yet?..

It's a really bad thing right?.....

Video https://www.rt.com/news/323215-warpl...-syria-turkey/

watch the fur fly :2 cents:

It's bad but it would be worse if it had been:

(1) A US plane taking down a Russian Plane, or;
(2) A Russian Plane taking down a US plane.

Either of the above options would be quite bad and one would have to consider relocating to a air raid shelter promptly, with tins of Heinz baked beans and long duration Spam. Just shows how easily this whole thing can escalate badly:

Turkey 'downs Russian warplane on Syria border' - BBC News

Looks like the Russian plane was repeatedly warned.

It gets better:

...because it JUST hit the news around that time, that may be what woke you up. :winkwink:


http://http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/24...der/index.html

And that is who Turkey is backing.. :(

BREAKING NEWS: Turkey in Hot Water just in Time for Thanksgiving

Shit - Anyone know what is actually going on in that?..

BBC just said one at least was dead....

Obviously a lot of info is unknown. However my early thoughts are that Putin keeps pushing and pushing with very little regard for borders or others. He was bound to eventually get punched in the mouth. Oh well.

I received a call from the millitary recruiting office.
possibly it is mobilization over all country

Maybe but Turkey isn't trustworthy. It's playing both sides. Turkey backs the rebels (Turkmen) in Western Syria and has told Russia repeatedly to leave them alone. But Russia is still hitting them because they're anti-Assad. Who found the pilot? Turkmen rebels. Sure looks to me like the pilot landed in Syria.. but it was clearly flying in the border region.

I am not judging who is right or wrong, lying or not. Simply saying that if you keep pushing you open yourself up to this. Boy who cried wolf really. Might be Russia's fault, might not be. Either way Turkey will have public opinion on their side unless it becomes crystal clear they are wrong and that is a risk Russia constantly takes.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Turkey is basking ISIS. This is not a news for everybody. I predict very serious consequences for Turkey. If they lose Russian tourists, their economics will lose a shitload of money. The Egypt has already faced it:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-etJ6Z7m2og...0%B5%D1%82.jpg

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/andre...3_original.jpg

I'm not sure Turkey will have opinion on their side - Even if the jet strayed into Turkey they knew it was a Russian jet, it seems totally OTT to shoot it down...

A military action against Turkey is very possible. Since Turkey is a NATO county, the USA and their allies will be involved too (I'd say they must be involved according to the NATO agreement). In this case I would recommend everybody here to visit their parents/close relatives while it's not too late...

Just FYI guys: according to the new Russian military doctrine, the army is allowed to use nuclear weapon against other countries in preventive cases, even if Russia was not been direly attacked. E.g. the US base in Poland can be potentially used against of Russia in case of conflict with other NATO country like Turkey.

This is going to end in tears.

The weird thing is that Russia are saying it wasn't Turkey at all and it was rebels - Why would Turkey claim responsibility if they didn't do it - It makes no sense, they know the shit will hit the fan...

This is Turkey. Foreign Minister Lavrov flew to Turkey.
this is a war and combat losses is inevitable

It is not. Thy just initially thought it was shot down from the ground. According to the officials they are still waiting for the details from the military intelligence. If Turkish information will be confirmed, there will be consequences.

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Somebody should tell the BBC...

Rebels are saying that he was like that when they found him...

Hear what he said at the end? About killing mujahideen?

How the fuck can we back any rebel group claiming jihad? Madness. The rebels are no different than ISIS. Kurds are the only ones we can trust.

His visit to Turkey was canceled.

http://i.imgur.com/C0fL1nb.png

They shot them down for that?!.

According to that picture the Russian bomber (a red line) was shot down by Turkish jet fighter (a yellow line). Also it shows that Russian bomber has crossed the border of Turkey (a blue line). We can just trust or not trust to this picture.

Actually it doesn't matter if the border has crossed (unwittingly?) the Turkish border or not. The bomber has not attacking the Turkish territory. It was bombing Turkmen rebels in Syria. Turks don't like that and they decided to start shooting down Russian planes (set a no flight zone in that part of Syria). Course Russia won't just swallow it. This gonna end very bad.

war mongering on GFY - nothing surprises me anymore

there is some sort of confusion.

Надеюсь Ваван не скажет как с Курском "Он упал". Формально создан прецидент, теперь можно сбивать любой самолет, нарушивший сирийское воздушное пространство

Выступает прямо сейчас (смотрю его базар с Абдалой ii на "Дожде").

P.S. Putin said (just a few seconds ago) it was backstroked by supporters of terrorism and it has fell in 4 kilometers away from Turkey. It was hit by a missile on 6 km attitude in 1 kilometer away from the Turkish border. It has definitely not been a threat for Turkey. So the things are getting worse and worse.

P.P.S. He said is clear "Turkey did it". He also said "we didn't want it and we will not tolerate it".

emotions are a bad adviser. first you need to blow off steam.

It is casus belli, Turkey = Isis now
Кстати, самолет сбили когда стали нефтяные вышки и караваны с бензом бомбить

Fucking muslims...

Turkey support terrorist, Putin's say
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нужно было сопровождать бомберы истребителями, догонять и сбивать атакующий турецкий самолет. а не сидеть потом в дурацком положении. за ошибки нужно платить

This is not about religion. This is about money as usually. Turks are buying oil from ISIS in Syria. When Russian aviation started bombing the oil tracks, Turks shot down our bomber. This proves a direct economical connection between ISIS and Turkey.

Надо было. Вова же сказал, что "считал Турцию другом и никто не ждал удара в спину". Теперь ясен пень будут сопровождать и работать по турецкой авиации. Турки закроют Босфор и понесется. Они ведь уже обосрались и связались со Штатами по поводу военной поддержки в случае конфликта с Россией.

Turkey = NATO = USA
USA support ISIS? What's wrong in my logic?

Reports are that both Pilots are dead.

Не соглашусь, наверняка были договоренности с амерами, поэтому бомбер и летел без прикрытия. Газета.ру пишет что Путин в интерью сказал что с амерами была договоренность. Кароч, наебали в очередной раз, как с расширением НАТО и базами в Германии
Стратеги, кстати, летели с прикрытием через Европу. У бриттов хватило ума не задействовать ПВО

Wrong again. They said they were shooting at them and one was killed. He has landed dead. Don't forget it happened on the Syrian territory which is controlled by terrorist groups supported by Turkey and USA (NATO) - in fact, the same guys who did the Paris massacre.

Europe sends money in Turkey(erdogan) to stop the flow of refugees(business blackmail).
erdogan work and help isis(oil weapon bissiness) - isis terror ru,eu + neighbors.
erdogan on plans to become oil and gas hub for Europe.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/25/wo...ary-plane.html

The Kremlin ought to get their stories straight ...

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015...he-latest.html

You should have stayed away and thrown Assad under the bus.

Question is: was this a rogue pilot that violated Turkish airspace during hostile actions or was the pilot acting under ''direct orders''?

The Islamic Terrorist State (ISIS) forces were not at the Turkish border -- the pilots came down over anti-Syrian Government rebel positions and were shot dead by these rebels -- they had been dropping bombs on these rebels -- so what do you expect?

This isn't a Nintendo game:helpme

Не ждал блять :1orglaugh в какую спину, что вы несете? очередное распиздяйство военных

USA must control own sattelites as Turkey

Это не "мы". Это дословная цитата из Вовиного выступления.

No, those are the '' moderate '' rebels, the '' non-islamic'' forces that thew US is backing, financing and arming ...

Heck of a job :thumbsup