Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 20649392)

I was asked to send a PDF invoice to receive a payment.
So i mailed to someone and my questions were (are) the following:

- why do you need an invoice now, is there some kind of change of regulations ?
- What are the informations that you need on the invoice ?
- Do you have some webpage to generate a pdf invoice automatically...

Thanks a lot

Originally Posted by EliteWebmaster (Post 20649790)

Complete and utter bullshit that companies want you to send them an invoice to get paid. As if they can't see the stats themselves and just pay their affiliates. Give me a break. You know what it is, they are hoping affiliates forget/too busy to send them an invoice so they can keep your money.

Originally Posted by EliteWebmaster (Post 20649790)

Complete and utter bullshit that companies want you to send them an invoice to get paid. As if they can't see the stats themselves and just pay their affiliates. Give me a break. You know what it is, they are hoping affiliates forget/too busy to send them an invoice so they can keep your money.

Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 20649815)

I'll do invoices for $5 each, and I'll even include my own invoice for the invoices..

Originally Posted by RyuLion (Post 20650973)

What email did you send the invoice too?

Jeff said to hit him up at Skype: Jeffreydillon

Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 20650813)

so invoice sent. Let's wait...

Originally Posted by gamelinkjeff (Post 20651018)

We do not require an invoice and no one from our company (that I am aware of) has ever asked anyone to provide an invoice for payment.

Originally Posted by gamelinkjeff (Post 20651018)

In the future please contact me directly with any issues or concerns. It is usually faster and doesnt lend to the spread of misinformation.

Originally Posted by gamelinkjeff (Post 20651018)

We do not require an invoice and no one from our company (that I am aware of) has ever asked anyone to provide an invoice for payment.

Also, I have not received an email from you regarding this.

In the future please contact me directly with any issues or concerns. It is usually faster and doesnt lend to the spread of misinformation. I am on vacation atm, but my skype is on and I check my email daily and I am always happy to help. :thumbsup

Skype: jeffreydillon

Email: [email protected]

Originally Posted by jimmycooper (Post 20651549)

Jeff is one of the good guys in the industry.

Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 20649392)

I was asked to send a PDF invoice to receive a payment.
So i mailed to someone and my questions were (are) the following:

- why do you need an invoice now, is there some kind of change of regulations ?
- What are the informations that you need on the invoice ?
- Do you have some webpage to generate a pdf invoice automatically...

Thanks a lot

Originally Posted by chaze (Post 20651935)

Invoices are so 90's

I have a word template that I fill out when they ask. If they are are not in the billing system which does it on it's own.

I have it here if you want it:

Free word invoice template ? Web Host Pro

Originally Posted by jerkules (Post 20651924)

How nice...

Originally Posted by Ferus (Post 20649811)

No - its business. If you want to get paid for your Work, you send a invoice.
I see this as a great step towards getting rid of all the hobbyists.

If you dont know how to send a invoice and what it should include, you have no business being here anyway. Even Excel and Libreoffice have a template for it, so you can get it done for $0 ,-

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20651964)

How am I supposed to magically know how to do it and what it should include?

Originally Posted by Ferus (Post 20652022)

I would suggest you Google it or ask your accountant

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20652076)

I know how to do it. My point was that I've NEVER had to do it in the entire history of the adult online affiliate model. :)

And that doesn't make a person a "hobbyist". If you only did affiliate work for a living then you would have no clue on this.

Also...for guys like me with my Stats Remote full of programs, how in the hell am I supposed to go to all of them and invoice them every time I need to get paid?
Not that there's any money anymore for me as an affiliate...but this kind of thing reeks to hell of just another shady way of not paying affiliates.

Desperate times I suppose. :(

Originally Posted by Forkbeard (Post 20651477)

Uh, oh, Pormasta. I looks like you may have just gotten scammed out of your basic business information and some details of the business you've been doing with Gamelink. It's hard to seee how that info would be worth the scam effort; I hope the scammer doesn't have some clever way to hurt you with it.

Unfortunately this kind of scam will get easier in future, because there does seem to be a developing trend of a few programs trying to use invoices and paperwork demands to slow down the velocity of their affiliate payments (thus giving themselves interest-free loans on the float) and suck up free money from all the low-attention affiliates who aren't aware of the new payment requirements, especially if they aren't communicated clearly by affiliate email. DDFcash took quite a bit of flack (full disclosure, some of it from me) earlier in the month for doing this with a particularly confused (and never clarified) email to affiliates:

Hey DDF, go fuck yourself!



Meaning no offense to Jeff, who sounds very professional and helpful, this is what programs frequently say when questioned on industry forums. And it makes perfect sense for them. They have nothing to gain from answering questions in public, especially when (as appears to be the case here) whatever has happened had nothing to do with them.

However, it does not always make the same kind of sense for affiliates. Here, it would have made sense; I always try to confirm a problem before I start shit in public, and when I've got something bad to say about a program here on GFY, it's because of their behavior here on GFY or because I have failed at resolving it through channels. But I can't tell you how many times (especially "back in the day" when companies were a lot more worried about the good opinion of the affiliate community) a company that's been trying to baffle me with bullshit in private has gotten a lot more helpful once their behavior has become a matter for public discussion. This isn't the powerful tool it used to be (see the DDF link for a fairly common in 2015 "affiliates can just go fuck themselves" attitude) but it still has a place. And if the invoice request pornmasta had gotten had been real, disclosing and complaining about it on the forums would have been (IMO) a perfectly legitimate thing to do. Sorry, Jeff!

Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 20652083)

Or its programs putting their house in order because they are under pressure from their local tax authority.

Trust me. I am speaking from experience.

:2 cents:

Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 20649401)

So when did this forum become Gamelink support ?

Is you business with them not private ?

:2 cents:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20652099)

"local tax authority"?

Are you referring to state income tax?
I'll have to check into that.
We certainly haven't had any "pressure" from our "local tax authority" yet. But knowing how the govt. works it would not surprise me.

Just not sure why a "tax authority" would want a company to have invoices on file. They already have w-9 forms on all affiliates.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20652099)

"local tax authority"?

Are you referring to state income tax?
I'll have to check into that.
We certainly haven't had any "pressure" from our "local tax authority" yet. But knowing how the govt. works it would not surprise me.

Just not sure why a "tax authority" would want a company to have invoices on file. They already have w-9 forms on all affiliates.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20652076)

Desperate times I suppose. :(

Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 20652087)

Your just not getting over this whole invoice thing are you ?

Let it go.......really.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20652076)

This kind of thing reeks to hell of just another shady way of not paying affiliates.

Originally Posted by Mickey_ (Post 20652180)

Europe, Robbie.

Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 20652523)

I am referring to companies in Europe and their local tax authorities.

Companies in Europe need the correct documentation for all funds leaving their business.

Correct documentation means invoices with the correct legal identity and address, VAT number if applicable, and the reason for the payment.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20652932)

I didn't know that about European companies.

So is Gamelink now a European company? And I haven't seen that with any of the companies I do business with in Europe as an affiliate...yet. :(

Originally Posted by Mickey_ (Post 20652943)

OP meant to say GamesRevenue, not GameLink.

Originally Posted by Mickey_ (Post 20652943)

OP meant to say GamesRevenue, not GameLink.

Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 20649815)

I'll do invoices for $5 each, and I'll even include my own invoice for the invoices..

Originally Posted by Mickey_ (Post 20652943)

OP meant to say GamesRevenue, not GameLink.

Originally Posted by Forkbeard (Post 20652671)

Apparently your reading comprehension is rather substandard.

This isn't about invoices. It's about using feeble unsubstantiated and indefensible hand-waving talk of vague and malleable EU tax standards to slow down the velocity of affiliate payments, or to just flat-out take and keep those monies, at a time when all the reputable European programs are somehow managing to pay their affiliates just fine.

It's about stealing, not about paperwork. And no, the affiliates who understand it aren't going to "get over it" or shut up about it.



Exactly and precisely this.

Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 20653066)

Like I said, some folks just find the whole invoice raising thing a little tricky.

Dont worry you will get the hang of it.

:thumbsup:thumbsup

Originally Posted by Ferus (Post 20649811)

No - its business. If you want to get paid for your Work, you send a invoice.
I see this as a great step towards getting rid of all the hobbyists...

Originally Posted by Forkbeard (Post 20653296)

You're just another GFY troll trying to take a crap in a topic because you aren't willing or able to engage with the discussion constructively. Boring! :321GFY

Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 20653634)

Right.

And your just a lazy arse prick who would rather call decent companies scammers and shady because they want you to raise an invoice.

Get a fucking grip.

:error

Originally Posted by Forkbeard (Post 20653852)

Ah, but what you do not seem to understand is that you and I are not playing the same game.

You seem to be playing the "bored asshole talking shit on GFY to amuse my bros" game. Whereas I have been making actual arguments about a thing that matters to other people, and trying to persuade an audience that evidently does not include you (other affiliates and program operators who care about getting affiliate traffic).

Your level of engagement strongly implies that you are involved with, or at least sympathetic to, the class of program owners who view affiliates as people to be jerked around and stolen from. And since you cannot or will not engage with my arguments, every time you speak up it makes you (and the people you are implicitly defending) look worse to the people I am talking to. Thus every verbally abusive answer I get out of you is another win from my perspective, albeit petty and microscopic as wins go.

Keep up the good work! :thumbsup