bernie vs trump thread
 

pretty clear now, hillary is done. Now that polls are getting accurate, her big lead is exposing itself as a hoax all along.

i'd be happy with either guy as POTUS, as my issues are economics/isolationism/populism & both candidates say the right things about turning it around for Joe plumber.

but a lot more would get done with a party unified government. a lot more nothing will happen if bernie wins.

im still not sure if trump is serious! he's as elastic as slick willy back in the day. am i supposed to believe it when he says we will take ISIS oil? thats not serious.

what to do...

:helpme

go with the winning team!

Berserk Clinton Bigwigs Launch Nixonian Attack Against Surging Sanders | Observer

you know, as much as i vent right wing, & despise the left, i support single payer. & im soooo disgusted that dems are attacking bernies single payer plan. disgraceful!!!!

:2 cents:

most dems favor a single payer system, it's ludicrous to attack him for that and it will backfire.

just like portraying him as even worse than a socialist, a communist!

"â??The Republicans wonâ??t touch him because they canâ??t wait to run an ad with a hammer and sickle,â?� said Senator Claire McCaskill of Missouri, a supporter of Mrs. Clintonâ??s.""

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/20/us...=politics&_r=1

that shit is going to backfire just like it did for HIllary in 2008.

Trump power!

i recall when they claimed a black dude was unelectable. now they claim a socialist is unelectable. while they claim an unliked & untrusted woman is electable. :upsidedow

well the dems did it to themselves, since they never turn over leadership like pelosi & reid, even when they lose majorities, & the clintons have basically been using the party as their personal piggy bank/extension of personal power for 23 years now. The party needs to be purged of these useless leaders & the clintons especially.

way i see it, the repubs are leading the race of listening to their voters. the right wing has already had a couple failed insurgencies. there is an open war between factions on the right. The left, on the other hand, forbids a dialogue with conformist/PC group thinking. their best candidate by far, jim webb, was totally ignored, not PC enough.

Look at the fields of each party, which one is the diverse one, both in ideas & in optics? its absurd. & very ironic.

:2 cents:

Bernie has a solid track record of what he stands for. He likely wouldn't be able to do much of what he says he wants to do, but that's how politics work..

Trump is a blowhard with zero experience at getting things done in politics. Even if you ignore all the crazy shit he says he has zero friends in the Republican party or the Democrat party. This means he would get nothing done but piss off our allies and maybe get us in wars.

Added to this the rest of the world would lose even more respect for this country if he was elected.

Honestly, I really wish Trump wouldn't have gone the crazy route as maybe if he acted sane he might of been interesting..

I understand your position now - You support Bernie, and do not like Hillary. I see. This is why you wanted me to research Bernie. (I will still wait until I have the final two candidates before I start giving all of this too much thought.)

I don't like Hillary myself, but I think she is most qualified out of all of the candidates, but I do hear some good things about Bernie.

I disagree with you on the "now that polls are getting accurate". Seems to be like Hillary is in the lead:
2016 National Democratic Primary - Polls - HuffPost Pollster
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - 2016 Democratic Presidential Nomination

I don't think polls will be accurate until right before the election. Way too many people are like me and are waiting until the cards settle before making up their minds.

you just dont get trump, at all. if he acted sane, he woulda got no press, no lead, nobody would talk about him. Thats my only struggle with him, he remains in this unserious publicity phase nonstop, has not pivoted...unless the 911 new york speech was the start of the pivot...

the world will not lose respect over trump. thats just PC smokescreen. dont be so worried about what other countries think of USA. Most other countries are far more backwards than USA. look at the italian justice system, good example. who cares what they think? California alone is the worlds 6th largest economy.

trump does bring an ability to get along. He is a successful new york business man whose mostly lived in liberal upper crest manhattan scene. he had a deal with univision. he supports unions, he has to in order to build things in the city. Hes not what he seems. what did ted cruz target when he went after trump? that hes a secret liberal. He may well be.

just stop it with your ignorance of him, maybe read one of his books or something.

Everyone would loose respect of the United States if Trump was elected. The UK is discussing not allowing him in the country. The Middle East will never deal with him. He announced his campaign by calling Mexicans "rapists". A candidate for President of the United States cannot talk that way.

And What has he said about China?

"I would not be throwing him a dinner. I would get him a McDonaldâ??s hamburger and say weâ??ve got to get down to work because you canâ??t continue to devalue," he said, according to a transcript published by the Daily Caller.

"Weâ??ll give him a state dinner and what he has done is suck all the jobs, suck all the money right out of our country."

One of the most powerful countries in the world, and instead of a state dinner they get McDonalds? How fucking insulting. Seriously.

Seriously, how can you consider putting Trump in the White House? Trump knows nothing about diplomacy at all. Notta.

Trump needs to stick to what he does best - running businesses into the ground.

i dont know why you take his unserious comments so seriously. you literally think hes gonna serve mcdonalds to a fellow world leader? duh, bro.

& he turned a hundred mil into several bil. He coulda just been a trust fund child. but he grew the business. Some of his ventures tanked. gambling is a risky industry. Trump U was an embarrassment, maybe a scam. what successful person has no failures? he's a real estate speculator, for crying out loud. But he's richer overall, can afford a 757. To you, this is failure. K.

so make a case that bernies gonna do better than trump. or are you still not caring whose in the race?

If President Obama (or any other president past or present) said "Mexicans are rapists" there would be an impeachment movement that would remove him from office.

Do I think Trump is going to serve McDonald's to a fellow world leader? No, I don't. But imagine what the leader of China is going to say at his first State dinner with Trump in the event he wins. How insulting has he just been to China? Imagine the President of China walking into the White House to negotiate some kind of a trade deal - There is no way the President of China is going to respect him... ever.

Funny how I don't see the UK voting on if they will let any of the other candidates into their country. All Trump is doing is pissing people off - Mexicans and Hispanics, women, Muslims, China, the UK. One fourth of the population is cheering him on, while everyone else is wondering how the fuck is this happening?

it's odd to think we need to elect a POTUS that the "ME" will deal with. Even our best buddies SA sponsor terrorism against US and are currently trying to DESTROY our oil business. that's the deal Obama's delivered.

We're supposed to not elect a guy because the UK embraces censorship?

i mean really.

It would be ridiculous to think that polls mean anything so many months before the election.

the chinese president is a politician. he's not going to disrespect trump, any more than hilary or bernie or anyone else. china, in case you didnt know, has been at cyberwar & economic war with USA for over a decade & been kicking our asses. So whats this respect nonsense you speak of, it makes no sense to care what china thinks of trump. really. & the Uk vote is a sideshow.

again you attribute far too much serious into his unserious comments. you cant tell the difference can you?

yeah well professional politicians & professional pundits & thousands of US media people have jobs reporting on summertime polls that are grossly inaccurate, & meaningless, just so theres something to talk about. They actually use the bullshit as talking points to attack other candidates. then it gets to 2 week to vote time. & suddenly, the huge lead vanishes, for no obvious reason. Polls are showing hilary is about to repeat 2008. i called it last july, it was so easy to see. the only question was, when would hilary sink, not if.

Trump has slammed China multiple times. He's said "We are going to beat China" dozens of times, and threatened all kinds of tariffs and what not. You can't tell me that won't have a huge impact on our relationship with China in the event Trump is elected.

Trump has pissed everyone off. He's pissed off the Chinese, the Muslims, the Hispanics, and women. It seems he's also pissed off England because they just voted on if he should be allowed in the country - our greatest ally.

Let me rephrase this.... Our best ally of all time might discussing if Trump should be allowed in the country. Seriously?

Trump will never win. The two demographics he needs to win is Hispanics and Women, and he doesn't have that vote.

First of all. One is a commie and one is a American.
They use to hold suspected commies up in hearings before congress and now the commie democrats have one as a presidential candidate and you all think there is nothing wrong with that.
You guys are sick!

Parliament debated blocking Donald Trump from UK entry because they were forced to by the stupid petition system they introduced.

Anyone can create a petition Block Donald J Trump from UK entry - Petitions on the government website and once it passes 100,000 signatures it earns a brief debate on the subject in parliament. The signatories this sort of petition attracts pretty much equate to two sorts of people: those who just want to fuck with politicians and make them have to waste 3 hours on a pointless debate, and those who would sign anything you put under their nose just to be part of something in the same way people share/like something on facebook. The only person in the country that thought it was a serious debate was DVTimes.

this is your mistake:

"my issues are economics/isolationism/populism & both candidates say the right things about turning it around for Joe plumber"

its not about what they say. Its about disrupting the corrupt system. A more clear candidate who will disrupt has never been more obvious. You have to be in a zombie sleep state to not vote for trump.

You are a complete idiot, but that's not new to anyone.

You have it wrong on all counts. If trump would be elected, the people in Europe would cheer it on. I said 'the people', not the corrupt network of old money and big corporations who rule our governments.

The middle east will deal with him. The guy is a business man who talks no nonsense. Because of this he already has loads of more respect from middle east dictator- and president culture than another clear puppet.

Don't believe the propaganda. I speak for the majority of the european people who support trump. Trump 2016!

Did they have a petition for Cruz? Hillary?

No.

Trump represents everything that is wrong with America. The people in Europe will not rise up and cheer him up; They will roll their eyes and say "stupid Americans". No one is walking around saying "How did Hillary become our front runner?" or "What is wrong with the Democratic party?"

The Middle East will deal with him only because they have to. But they will make no serious attempts to do anything productive with him.

makes sense, appreciated.

More like the other way.Obambo was caught spying on most, if not all European leaders via the NSA, he fucked up the entire middle east with the so called "arab spring" and LITERALLY giving al-queda and isis weapons right now, because they are his "moderate rebels" lol.Russian and EU relationships lowest in decades thanks again to Obabo :Oh crap

Let's make this very simple... The United States spies on EVERYONE. Period. Always has, always will. You don't think the United States spied on European countries under President Bush, President Clinton, or any of the other Presidents before them?

they didn't get caught spying. that's the key to spying. BO got caught.

Trump and Bernie are very similar but on opposite ends of the spectrum.

1. They are both populists.
2. They are both disdained by their respective parties.
3. And both suffer electability questions.

Anything in the media here about the US election has pretty much been all Donald Trump. To an outside observer with probably only half the story - even though he just seems to say the most reactionary thing he can think of he has done very well in spouting off to things instantly and making any other candidate have to respond to "Donald Trump said this..." so getting other peoples interviews to be all about him too.

Most of the UK government public petitions are either set up by trolls who are up to mischief, or lunatics who got their education from youtube, and they aren't taken very seriously. Occasionally there will be a petition about something worthwhile but they get drowned under the ridiculous ones. The online petition system is a way of parliament being able to pretend they are debating things the public actually wants them to, when in reality it will often be a debate in a side room attended by a small handful of politicians nobody respects or cares about.

You won't see a petition for Cruz because nobody here knows who that is. I wouldn't recognise him (is it a him?) if he turned up at my door.

You won't see one for Clinton because all that has been said about her is stuff about her emails and nobody here knows the rules about that enough to care.

Bernie doesn't sound like a jobs guy to me. When I drive around LA I see Homeless people under every bridge and many other places along the way. Pan Handlers all the time and they are getting more aggressive.

We need more jobs and Trumps stance on trade would create a lot of jobs, changing things like the TPP which is garbage and changing NAFTA would create a lot of jobs here in the US.

U.S.-China Trade Reform | Donald J Trump for President

Bernie's plan is to invest in the infrastructure which sounds a lot like the shovel ready jobs that Obama promised and didn't deliver on!

Creating Jobs Rebuilding America - Bernie Sanders

i beg to differ. it is plausible that Trump is completely bullshitting the public, saying what it takes to win. we've had some history of candidates promising to run on change, slick willy, & the current oero cookie. shit even bush senior said "read my lips," & look what happened.

im not sure i believe anything donald says. i like what he says. but he's not really an outsider. he's been paying for access for 30 years. GOP is only mad cause they cant control him, & they are scared of his new york politics, where even the republicans are liberal. Cruz is right about new york republicans, they are only PC incorrect dems really.

there is def a problem with the system being rigged, & im not clear the Donald is the answer. He is indisputably a massive beneficiary of that system. I only know a lot more will get done with him. Hard to tell what that will be right now.

:2 cents:

Personally I don't care if Bernie or Hillary gets elected - as long as Trump, Cruz, Bush etc do not.

Question for everyone:

Can anyone be a running mate? For example, if Bernie Sanders were to win the Democratic nomination, could he pick Hillary to be his running mate if he wanted to? Just curious.

this is a big reason why Bernie is my guy. the rigging starts with promises and obligations stemming from campaign funding. to even begin to stop the rigging, campaign finance needs to be reformed and that is one of Bernie's top priorities.

in my view, fixing it has to start there.

im not clear that donald can accomplish much of what he wants. he wants trade wars, & congress gets paid off by big business to keep things crooked. How is he gonna throw out trade deals or rework them? its the same thing he says with isis. He says were gonna bomb them to hell & take their oil. how is the USA taking over ME oil gonna solve anything? they didnt care for us liberating iraq. We were not heroes to them.

he says a lot of nonsense, frankly, thats not gonna happen. i wonder if he's saying stuff just for the show.

hard to tell. Bernie is pussy, but i know he is talking straight, & im not clear Donald is. Donald, getting elected, could ignite a HUGE culture war as liberals treat trump like the GOP treated obama. I myself would love to see the left wing mad. But i dont know what the donald is really gonna bring. do you?

:2 cents:

And both of their campaigns have caught fire largely because of the first two reasons you listed.

Additionally:

1. They both oppose TPP and the other trade deals.
2. They've both spoken out strongly against offshoring jobs.
3. The Koch brothers clearly hate both of them.
4. The were both against the 2003 Iraq war.
5. Neither of them wants to pick a fight with Putin in Syria.
6. Neither of them is a bible thumper.

But perhaps most importantly:

They both claim to view the so called economic "new normal" as a totally and utterly unacceptable state of affairs.

Of course their campaigns have caught fire.

And in the event that both of them are nominated, the electability questions will cancel each other out.

constitution does not spell out VEEP requirements. they can pick anyone.

but any candidate whose not native born, or has already served 2 terms, will guaranteed have legal problems that preclude them from getting the nod. no president candidate is gonna go out on a limb with any questions about their VEEP.

you have to take eveything trump says with a grain of salt. Then again you have to take everything a career politician says with boatloads of salt.

You say "GOP is only mad because they control him". That's the reason Trump is such a huge breath of fresh air.

This Sanders guy is just a fossil, and you can almost see the attachments on him where the strings go.

Five percent unemployment rate skippy.

Finally we agree on something.

At this point.... I am pretty much voting for anyone who isn't Trump. Sadly that seems to be Hillary.

sorry that the electoral college diluted your vote into an afterthought. at least yours was .000001% relevant. mine was zero'd out, voting for trump in NY. lost by 20+ points.

:(