VividCash - No more PPS
 

So, is anyone still promoting VividCash since their change in program last year from PPS to Revshare?

i promote a ton of programs so, really didn't start realizing how much they are fucking over the affiliates now and paying $2.47 per sale on the $4.95 join option (in a whole year i have not seen a single trial go up to a full member payout.

I could be the only one experiencing this, i dunno. but it feels really fucked up to get paid a fraction of what we were getting paid for the same links & effort. It's definitely not worth promoting now in my opinion.

thoughts?

Vivid is a joke online. Webquest is dropping the ball big time and should focus more on a proper brand like this. It's a shame really but whatever.

Another big brand which is a joke online is Hustler. Amazing how bad their strategies are.

But I'm sure you will get offered a million dollars by hirsch though
Ds

If your sales weren't converting, I can understand why they would stop paying PPS.

The whole point of PPS is to give you a lump sum now and the program makes money in the long run with rebills. If they're not making any money with your sales, then it just makes sense to cut off PPS.

Its basic economics.

HOWEVER, why trials aren't converting is a totally different issue. Could be the way you promote them, their conversion process might not be good or a technical problem with their settings. My guess is as good as yours.

Your best bet is to talk with your affiliate manager and work out why your revshare sales aren't doing too great.

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Personally, I always preferred pushing RS. Matter of personal taste I guess... I know sometimes $ is not there now, but in the long run, I always made more with RS... :2 cents: (For what it's worth :winkwink:)

Sign of the dimes ...

An average rebill ratio on trials with what I call, shittier traffic, is about 40%. Good traffic it's about 70%.

It is statistically impossible for you to have, say, 50 trials and none rebill unless you are getting traffic from like a prepaid credit card forum or something.

Yeah, that's why you have to use revshare; your traffic does not convert to full membership.

Nothing new here.

I don't agree with you on that. If it was free lead without a credit card, yes, a $4.95 trial never converting... no way.

ALSO, navigate to a Vivid FHG with your NATS code, click close

Vivid offers 50% off membership AND REPLACES YOUR NATS CODE WITH THEIRS

What's the link structure?

Does it have the word "track" in the URL? If so, NATS is setup to give credit to first cookie received. If it doesn't, it is over riding the affiliate cookies.

this is the destination URL: here

I don't have a vivid account so can't see... not destination link, the link prior to getting to destination. The link in the popup, what is directly after the .com?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

nice assfucking their affiliates

the popup link: here

It's a passive link. It means that if a cookie has already been set, yours, that link won't override yours. It's meant to assign no affiliate sales to one account inside of NATS.

They are not shaving sales by that link.

The question though is why are no $4.95 trials converting to full memberships? Surely they don't ask the new trial member if they want full membership after trial...
It is statistically impossible for no trials to convert if the number of sales is in double digits. I would put 10 trial sales, and all cancel and/or fail rebill, at about 1:100. Higher number of sales, exponentially more impossible for nothing to rebill.

thanks for clearing this up...sorry Vivid for making a mistake concerning your exit NATS link

The pricing is weird.

$1 trial rebilled at $29.95 per month
Per month at $39.95
1 year at $95.40


So basically, the trial and conversion are cheaper than the per month option.

And the 1 year option is about 2 months of regular billing (39.95), comes $7.95 per month to and doesn't auto-rebill.

I always have had the most success by picking the plan you want to sell the most and highlight it. Never show a recurring plan next to a non-recurring plan.

The way I do it now, and will do for everything, is default the trial in drop down menu, and offer the one month and multi-month option as well but can't see them unless surfer clicks the drop down. Never talk about plans recurring on the pre-join page. Join page shows recurring terms.

I see soooo many sites put all the recurring language (usually ccbill sites), on their own pre-join page (usually right next to the price point), and then don't even attempt to collect the email of potential member either.

They've done two no no's with that, they've alerted the surfer that one plan rebills and the other doesn't (so they go cheaper price and cancel), and they lost ability to bring surfers who don't pay that day back by emailing them. And it is rampant, all over the place, I see this.

Your sales do not convert for them. Did you think they want to continue pay you $35 PPS just to be good guys???

They, just like you, are in this to make money! Things that are not profitable, should be cut out or changed. No one can, in the long run, continue a business which pays out more per sale than what is generated from it. Simple math!

How come you belive or feel entitled to anything else than the value of the sales you bring?

It must have been a complete affiliate change because mine has also gone from $20 pps to revshare now too. I'm not complaining about the change, but I will complain on their lack of telling affiliates about a change like this.

I bought a nice domain with some great posts already linked to Vivid (but using previous user's links) and applied for an account (so I can swap the link)... Never got account approved... Sent couple of email... got no response...

they did tell affs mate (email + internal message), about 6 months - a year ago, whenever it was implemented. Vivid is now revshare only for affs (they may have private deals with specific webmasters, they may not). Vivid are 100% straight shooters :thumbsup

That's their problem. His job is to bring in the traffic that is interested in the website.

The thing that Vivid can't close the sale is their own problem (design, programming, etc, etc)

Very true, but as per your own word, and I quote:
"His job is to bring in the traffic that is interested in the website." (my bolding)

End quote.

If none of his sales convert into full paying ones, then clearly, the traffic he is bringing in is not that interested in the website...

PPS is very 2005

the issue is less about the conversions and more about how much less they pay for the same links.

i think we're getting screwed on that damn trial. fuck the trial.. get rid of that shit. i'd be fine on a normal rev share.

Lots of speculation that my traffic is the problem. No, it's plenty targeted. the conversions should be what the program is doing with perfectly good leads. Something has changed because i was getting plenty of full joins before the program change.

They sure convert into the trials plenty often. So, yea... the traffic is clearly interested.

Like most the mainstream porn brands they suck at online and always have.

anybody has working contact for vividcash?

David from vivid is going to contact you :)

If a surfer pays for a trial membership, then he is interested in the website and it's good traffic.

If Vivid has such a shitty members area that surfers refuse to rebill, guess who's problem is that? (Hint: not affiliate's).

MrSkin has same deal - shitty RevShare only.
After they fucked me over and stole my rebills, i won't touch RevShare anymore.

They got a relaunch... with pps

Vivid Re-Launches VividCash.com - XBIZ.com

Hopefully someone has reached out to you. David Benedetti ([email protected]) can help you with whatever you need or you can also reach me directly.

It's easy enough to prove one way or another. Signup to their program with your own referral link. let it convert to a full month and see if you get the fucking commission. If you do then your traffic is shit. If you don't then you know they are fucking you.

It' not fucking rocket science

It happens. Sponsors do that shit to affiliates all the time. And yes, it's fucked up. Typically though, they only do it when your trial joins aren't converting to monthly memberships.

Hello
 

Hi Narcissus,

I am David with Vividcash.com . We doing everything internally now and things have changed. We offer many new programs and tools for affiliates to do well with us.

You are more than welcome to contact me, I'll be happy to discuss this with you.

Thanks,

David
[email protected]
Skype: david.madmon1

I can confirm that David is a great, helpful and cooperative guy. Get in touch with him, you won't regret it. :2 cents: :pimp

Wow.......

I'm a fan of revshare but my traffic has always converted well for me with Vivid so this works well for me.

Contact them and tell them if they don't do what you want. You will stop sending traffic.

They have as much right to change the terms as you do to withdraw the traffic.

It's really great to see Vivid split apart with WebQuest who messed a lot with affiliates. John and David are doing a great job there.

paying $2.47 per sale on the $4.95 join option...

This is wonderful for you ????? 2.47 per sale

please blow fucking brains out thank you

David is a top notch guy!

Couldn't agree more Holly ;)

Thanks duly noted

You aint so bad yourself

What a cluster fuck over there.