Cowspiracy on Netflix - Have you seen it?
 

I have watched Cowspiracy on Netflix (imdb link : Cowspiracy: The Sustainability Secret (2014) - IMDb) and I truly recommend this documentary to all meat lovers (like me).

I am far from a Vegan myself. I eat meat & eggs and obviously cheese since it' pratically is in my french DNA.

However, I have stopped drinking milk for few months now (It was great on my morning cereals). I eat less meat, less cheese (like really really less) more vegetables and fruits and honestly, It feels great.

I'm not sure I'm ready to say goodbye to juicy steaks and sushis but at least I'm thinking about taking more responsibilities as a living being on this planet and Cowspiracy was a trigger.

I'm curious on how many Vegans there are among GFYers? I bet not so much :1orglaugh

Vegetarian for about 10 years (similar reasons to you), don't drink milk, though still have eggs and cheese (I love them)

Quite a few shocking stats about animal agriculture.

Not quite ready to give up meat, but you can start small by adding a meatless day to your week.

ps. If you're looking for a milk substitute, try rice milk.

Yes! I have tested soy milk (erk), almond etc.. Rice is definitly the best one :)

You tried coconut milk? That was my own preference, though eventually didn't find a need for milk, took a while, but eventually started enjoying black tea and coffee

Agreed.
I try to avoid consuming soy in general (do some research on the pros and cons of consuming phytoestrogens as a man)

As a sidenote, lab grown meat will be a massive industry if the cost can be brought down to reasonable levels and a shift in its perception occurs. It will be interesting to see whether any significant change will take place within the next 5 years.

I once had dinner with Howard Lyman (author of Mad Cowboy). That was 20 years ago and he was saying the same things then. He's the one who was on Oprah that prompted her to say "I never want to eat another hamburger again" which forced Oprah to go to court when she was sued by the cattle industry. (Years later she endorsed The Counter as having the best hamburger she'd ever eaten.)

Cowspiracy is a mind-blowing study of the extremely high cost of the livestock industry and the insane impact it has on the planet. More than all the transportation vehicles in the world!

It's a very difficult problem to unwind, but I believe that knowing more about the situation can help affect behavior. And with the exponential population growth of humans on the planet, keep in mind that none of this is sustainable. Our children's children will live in a very different world. -- See this movie.

why does everything have to be an extreme? just eat less.. It's not healthy to be eating red meat ALL the time anyway--and this is coming from someone on a high fat diet. hehe

also, milk has too much sugar, kept me fat for years and i had no idea..

While there are valid concerns raised... these film makers are highly over exaggerating in their statistics. I have listened to them and others as well and their "facts" don't fully stand up.

But yes. Industrialized food farming is an epidemic that needs addressed.

But then again there's fukishima...

BEEN VEGAN FOR 2 YEARS...LOVE IT, DROPPED 60LBS
Now I hike, bike, yoga, run A whole new lifestyle
No meat, No dairy, No eggs...don't miss it, will never go back..and I was a huge meat eater weighed 240lbs at 46 y/o
watched some youtube videos and gave it a try...after 21 days I felt unstoppable and realized all that shit slows normal people down, fattens them up, fogs their mind and eventually clogs their asses up to death.
Being Vegan gives you a physical, mental and spiritual edge.

I'm vegan due to financial constraints ...

Really sad how inhumane humans are. It doesn't have to be you or me to be the ones being inhumane, but we are all part of the demand that puts these inhumane motherfuckers to work :( really fucked up

Interesting! It reminds me when I stopped smoking. :)

Vegetarian for 3 years and vegan for 2. I had alarming rates of cholesterol and now my LDL levels are within the limits. I feel very healthy and light.

The only thing that is missing from a vegan diet is B12.
So I supplement my diet with a daily dose

you didn't have to become vegetarian/vegan to have good cholesterol levels.

Yes actually I had to
My cholesterol level was 13. My LDL was 10
Hereditary genetic problem


I had a heart transplant when I was 32 years old....
My cholesterol level is less than 3 now
Statins work but not 100%
If anyone has cholesterol, go vegan it will disappear

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh ...

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I eat very little meat, switched to almond milk, but cheese is hard to give up. Still, if everyone made a little change it would make a big difference.

A portion of meat is 4oz - 6oz (120g to 170g) eat less meat.

I think I eat beef maybe at most twice a week.
Chicken, fish, lean pork (tenderloin only).
I like Yellow Fin Tuna steaks 6oz a lot and Wild Caught Pink Salmon -- broiled.

Milk -- powdered non-fat milk made fresh and poured over whole-grain low (or no) sugar cereal. 1% low fat cottage cheese. Lots of frozen vegetables, some fresh in season. I make a lot of stir-fry with a little vegetable or olive oil and a bit of filtered water -- just a little salt, curry, peppers and other spices.

Egg beaters -- you get used to it ... better than a stroke or heat attack caused by cholesterol clogged arteries.

I wish I had started eating like this when I was 25 ... I would not have the health issues I have today :2 cents:

AFAIK that's a misconception about eggs. Eating eggs has a negligible effect on your blood cholesterol (unless you have diabetes or some sort of genetic disorder) and has been shown to have positive health effects.

I've been raising chickens for meat and eggs for the past 3 years. Last year we raised a pig. I know that what I'm eating had a great life (albeit a meat chicken's life is only 7 weeks).

I think that there is a fundamental disconnect between us and what we eat. It's all too easy to just pick up a cellophane wrapped piece of meat and not think about where it came from.

your situation might be unique. i find a lot of people go to extremes in an effort to make a life change when all you need is common sense and moderation.

i eat 3 ounces of meat per day at most. red meat only 1-2 times a week.

i thought the sea life/fishery thing was pretty shocking, would like to see more explored there. i didn't know it was that bad oceanwise

Grow me a rib steak 2 inches thick, medium rare :upsidedow

2 extra large eggs are 1.7 days dietary cholesterol.
Poor people eat a lot of eggs -- egg yokes are cheap protein.
If you can do that and keep your LDL cholesterol at normal levels good for you.

Eat a breakfast of 2 whole eggs, and 3 strips of bacon a day, with real butter on your toast, and see what happens -- good fuckin luck :2 cents:

Red meat is the biggest problem. With these low portions that you eat, you are not at risk for sure


Although I am not the annoying vegan who tries to convert others, there is a 2 minutes short video from Gary Yourofsky that I like to share with you


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWgnhFp70ns

Yes, eggs are high in cholesterol, however, like I said, AFAIK its effects are negligible on your blood cholesterol levels if consumed in moderation.

Do a bit of up-to-date research on eggs and you might get to enjoy real eggs once again and not the processed alternative you're eating now. :)

disclaimer: consult your nutritionist. :upsidedow

I bought a bag of Tilapia fish fillets at the restaurant supply (better quality than the grocery store) from Indonesia not China.

Damn good broiled with Cajun seasoning and garlic.

6 oz fillet
24% daily cholesterol
135 Calories
Calories from fat 10
saturated fat 0.75g
etc.

extreme comparison with 3 pcs (breast, drumstick, whole wing) of KFC Original fried chicken:
Custom Meal - A user-created meal from KFC
Happy heart attack -- if you have ever seen the commercial chicken factories ... :Oh crap

The Chinese fish factory ponds are pretty bad both in animal (fish) conditions and sanitary conditions. Additionally, the food safety laws and regulations in China are lax.

We cannot all live in villages or on farms and raise our own food. Over the years I have eaten a lot of game meat that is naturally fed (and fresh shot ;) ) no comparison to store bought meat. If you want to spend the long dollar buy Kosher or Halal meat it often comes from better sources and tastes much better.

Long ago I worked milking cows for 3 months and had occasion to eat beef, old dairy cow, that the slaughter house guy brought us as a gift (along with a cigar box of cash for the 16 cows and little bull veal we sold him -- long story). Best beef I ever ate but we fed them ground soy renderings, alpha, orange rinds, and leftover unwrapped bread. No chemicals except a vitamin supplement we added -- organically raised milk cow -- Holstein.

But we had a lot of cow shit around -- stunk like hell-- CS would be in hog-heaven LOL. The little bulls we castrated and sold for veal were kept in rather crowded pens so that they were tender, not too muscular, for sales as prime meat. That is the way cattle farming is. They were not pets.

The days of shooting buffalo in the prairies in the west are long gone.

No I cannot. I take statins and have had 3 minor strokes. When I was your age I ate a lot of food that helped my atherosclerosis advance. So, I was a smart ass too. Wise people learn from others' mistakes.

My high-school buddy, from way back, dropped dead of a heart attack at 52. He was athletic, slim build but he liked his eggs and the big macs he ate on the run when he was younger -- beef and potatoes man as he aged I guess it caught up with him -- he was unlucky too. Another friend of mine, active owns a garage door business, ate restaurant lunches on the go, at 47 had a heart attack and they had to stent his clogged coronary arteries.

BTW, all these guys including me were heavy smokers too. I stopped smoking over 4 years ago, and none of us sufferers(ed) from lung cancer. Nicotine was a contributing factor I am sure.

Don't live to regret how you lived :2 cents:

The Earth was designed for 2bn max, it's over 7bn and rising.

Cut world population and redistribute resources, expert urges.

Or to put it simply.

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If we all went Vegan, we would be;

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You should try human breast milk sometime.

how to feel like a vegan without being vegan:

1) do not ever mix carbs, only sources you need: rice, sweet potato
2) eat every 3-4 hours while awake, small portions, really small...
3) avoid bread, fruit juice, fruit joghurt, sweets, pasta, sugar...only rice and potato for carbs...
4) do not juice, as in put fruit in a blender and juice it...fructose is your enemy...eat fruit with the corresponding fiber it comes with only in small doses...


give it a month and you will feel great...or be a vegan pussy :1orglaugh

Just to continue the thought about dietary cholesterol

There's No Such Thing As 'Good Cholesterol' Says Pivotal New Study

The world is over populated -- who volunteers to die first :upsidedow

I find the documentary hypocritical because he keeps on wondering why nobody is addressing the real issue, that he claims is cattle farming and its impact on the world, but he is ignoring the real issue at hand that is overpopulation...

even if we all turned vegan, earth soil was never meant for commercial exploitation...the land is eventually rendered useless after forced cycles upon forced cycles of exploitation...eventually you end up with barren land...in a normal cycle in nature, the land goes though a completely different cycle with very little being taken away or added in the form of chemicals and minerals through irrigation...sea salt minerals deposited by the ancient romans, in a small part of tunisia, still keep that part of the land barren 2000 years later, just to give you a clear picture...

agriculture is not sustainable at current levels even if we all go vegan...earth soil was never meant for commercial agriculture...the end, not up for discussion...

there are simply too many humans...this is the real problem...the only peaceful solution would be a 1 child policy world wide...or a heavy extra child tax...or war if we are talking about a non peaceful solution...

vegan wont solve dick...

I've done the exact opposite and had the same results, even getting my bodyfat percentage down to 12% at one point. meat makes nobody fat, sugar does... If you don't want to eat it, cool, you have that choice. But we'd all be grazing in fields and wouldn't have evolved into what we are today without eating meat as a civilization though. Eating red meat often is not healthy for different reasons that are more related to carcinogens, definitely not fats.

Every other year an 'amazing and life changing' documentary comes along and people over react to them. They are manipulative, have amped up truths based on loosely accepted facts, use quotes/sound bites from doctors or scientists that are often grossly used out of context and the claims are almost entirely debunked shortly after they get popular. Bowling for columbine, super size me, loose change, an inconvenient truth. All of these doc's caused mass uninformed outrage and this one is no different. They have a few facts in them but are sensationalized and exaggerated for commercial reasons and it obviously works.

simple biology would disprove any of that pretty clearly..

blood cholesterol does not come directly from our food, it comes from waste from our liver. Where does almost all of that bad cholesterol biproduct/waste come from? SUGAR. not meat, not eggs, not butter. I buy eggs by the tray, have for years. I eat bacon often, almost all butcher (which matters). My cholesterol went down! My triglycerides are excellent how? because I got my sugars and starches under control. Before going on a high fat diet my cholesterol was high and they wanted to put me on statins.

If anything people need to get their omega 3 to omega 6 ratio in check to avoid arterial/heart disease. We tend to eat far too many vegetable oils and not enough fish. 3/1 omega 3 is great, 1/10 is where most people are at these days with omega 6's and that has created the risk increase, well that and sugar increase.

I had seen the movie in the netflix list but skipped over it. Now I think I will give it a watch.

I used to eat tons of meat but these days eat mostly veggies and lots of fruit. I exercise more than I used to and feel better overall. I still love a good steak or burger but will eat this only once in a while (once or twice a month) instead of a few times a week like I used to.