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pimpmaster9000 03-27-2016 08:48 AM

your reasons for not voting for bernie?
 
he seems like a genuinely good person, who is really interested in making things better...

why will you be not voting bernie? just out of curiosity...

NatalieK 03-27-2016 08:52 AM

I can't see people NOT actually voting for Bernie, but voting for someone else they feel is more beneficial as successor :2 cents:

CaptainHowdy 03-27-2016 09:01 AM

I don't vote in the US ...

Spunky 03-27-2016 09:49 AM

He has one foot in the grave as well as Hilary

2MuchMark 03-27-2016 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunky (Post 20803439)
He has one foot in the grave as well as Hilary

So did McCain. And if that guy would have died, Sarah Palin would have been president. Scary thought.

MPGdevil 03-27-2016 09:59 AM

He is 74 years old and should rather rule a retirement home that a superpower.
No guarantee he will survive two periods as president let alone one.

Jigster715 03-27-2016 10:17 AM

CIA will take him out with tainted Metamucil.

ITraffic 03-27-2016 10:28 AM

because maoism is dead and most american's don't want to work on a collective farm.

plaster 03-27-2016 10:54 AM

He has long fingers

SuckOnThis 03-27-2016 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plaster (Post 20803505)
He has long fingers

Unlike some....


https://i.imgur.com/3CpVvk9.gif

baddog 03-27-2016 10:59 AM

Because he can't tell the difference between a dove and a pigeon.

mikesouth 03-27-2016 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20803511)
Because he can't tell the difference between a dove and a pigeon.

Apparently you cant either...that was a fucking sparrow.

The reason I won't vote for bernie is because I am Libertarian and he is a Socialist

baddog 03-27-2016 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 20803517)
Apparently you cant either...that was a fucking sparrow.

The reason I won't vote for bernie is because I am Libertarian and he is a Socialist

I never saw any bird; I just saw a politician trying to convince his sheep that it might not look like a dove, it really was.

And you think if he can't differentiate between a dove and a sparrow he can tell the difference between a dove and a pigeon?

I stand by my comment.

Vendzilla 03-27-2016 11:26 AM

Taking more money from people that work to give to those that don't?

astronaut x 03-27-2016 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20803535)
Taking more money from people that work to give to those that don't?

Two words.... corporate welfare.

MaDalton 03-27-2016 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20803529)
I never saw any bird; I just saw a politician trying to convince his sheep that it might not look like a dove, it really was.

And you think if he can't differentiate between a dove and a sparrow he can tell the difference between a dove and a pigeon?

I stand by my comment.

https://youtu.be/HUNr0EdvCkA?t=77

he said "it doesn't look like it but this bird is a dove..."

a dove is commonly used as symbol for peace

http://www.kidsfront.com/coloring-pa...color/dove.jpg

and please don't tell me you really think he meant to call the sparrow a dove for real - and not joking about the symbolism

Mr Pheer 03-27-2016 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20803352)
he seems like a genuinely good person, who is really interested in making things better...

why will you be not voting bernie? just out of curiosity...

I wont discuss my reason with a piece of shit like you. I'm also wondering why anybody else would.

jsmih 03-27-2016 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 20803448)
So did McCain. And if that guy would have died, Sarah Palin would have been president. Scary thought.

His poor judgement in choosing Palin really help sink his candidacy.

baddog 03-27-2016 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20803553)
https://youtu.be/HUNr0EdvCkA?t=77

he said "it doesn't look like it but this bird is a dove..."

a dove is commonly used as symbol for peace

http://www.kidsfront.com/coloring-pa...color/dove.jpg

and please don't tell me you really think he meant to call the sparrow a dove for real - and not joking about the symbolism

I know what a dove symbolizes; and I hear a politician saying, "don't believe your eyes, believe what I tell you."

Paul Markham 03-27-2016 01:47 PM

I would never vote for anyone soft on migration.

If illegal migrants are to be legalised, they have to prove they have a clean criminal record, bought their own home, hold down a job an American is available for and not having lots of kids.

All people applying for visas to enter the US have to show they have something to offer to the country accepting them. Even holiday visas have to be tightened up on if the person can't show they have something back home to return to.

This is how it used to be. Both Conservatives and Liberals have cast common sense aside. For different reasons or the same. The long term effect is high crime rates in Cities where decent jobs, homes and social services are scarce.

This is a A Fair and Humane Immigration Policy to the citizens of the destination country.

Just because a country accepted migrants with open arms during a time when manual labour was a high demand commodity. Doesn't mean we have to keep doing it.

sanders looks soft on migration which is bad for working class Americans.

noshit 03-27-2016 01:52 PM

-He's a bum who didn?t earn a steady paycheck until he was 40 years old
-Endorsed by Soros' Moveon.org
-One of his first jobs was registering people for food stamps.
-The only thing he's good at is talking ? non-stop ? about socialism and how the rich are ripping everybody off
-Started his own socialist party. Four times he ran for Vermont public office, and four times he lost ? bad
-He thinks climate change started ISIS.
-Claims that white people don't know what it's like to be poor, or live in a ghetto...
-With income of over 500k, he Is part of the same 1% that he preaches against.
-Clueless young masses are flocking to him
-He knows what he's saying is all fraud and that the super rich LOVE socialism

But wait there's more..!
It only makes sense that Democrats would vote for 'Bernie' :2 cents:

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Paul Markham 03-27-2016 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20803535)
Taking more money from people that work to give to those that don't?

So what should be the penalty for taking jobs from people who had them and sent them overseas?

Maybe the company moving the jobs overseas should give the staff a redundancy package that replaces State benefits. Saves on your taxes.

For 50 years we have seen jobs slowly more to the Far East, to be replaced with low skilled that pay crap or no jobs at all. Look at the gap between the rich and poor, middle-class income, GDP per Capita and project the graph to 2040.

The only thing that makes it look like it's working is high debt. The ability to borrow more to make up for what we don't produce ourselves only works until people say no. This was why the Banks were rescued and why the West is scared of telling China to slow down.

sarettah 03-27-2016 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20803511)
Because he can't tell the difference between a dove and a pigeon.

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20803529)
And you think if he can't differentiate between a dove and a sparrow he can tell the difference between a dove and a pigeon?

Just for the record. A Dove is a type of Pigeon.

just sayin....

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AmeliaG 03-27-2016 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20803700)
I would never vote for anyone soft on migration.

If illegal migrants are to be legalised, they have to prove they have a clean criminal record, bought their own home, hold down a job an American is available for and not having lots of kids.

All people applying for visas to enter the US have to show they have something to offer to the country accepting them. Even holiday visas have to be tightened up on if the person can't show they have something back home to return to.

This is how it used to be. Both Conservatives and Liberals have cast common sense aside. For different reasons or the same. The long term effect is high crime rates in Cities where decent jobs, homes and social services are scarce.

This is a A Fair and Humane Immigration Policy to the citizens of the destination country.

Just because a country accepted migrants with open arms during a time when manual labour was a high demand commodity. Doesn't mean we have to keep doing it.

sanders looks soft on migration which is bad for working class Americans.


If Americans don't believe what it says on the Statue of Liberty, we should sandblast that shit off.

MiamiBoyz 03-27-2016 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 20803871)
If Americans don't believe what it says on the Statue of Liberty, we should sandblast that shit off.

You are correct. That BULLSHIT is just part of the old America and is no longer applicable in the modern world we live in today.

That is ancient history and most intelligent people know that and view it as such. :1orglaugh

L-Pink 03-27-2016 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 20803559)
I wont discuss my reason with a piece of shit like you. I'm also wondering why anybody else would.


Nominated ... ^^^^^^^^^

Best post of 2016.


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Vendzilla 03-27-2016 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by astronaut x (Post 20803544)
Two words.... corporate welfare.

Although I'm against corporate welfare, I'm also against having the highest corporate tax rate in the civilized world!

bronco67 03-27-2016 04:43 PM

Too far left. Too, too far. But I do like his passion.

xXXtesy10 03-27-2016 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ITraffic (Post 20803487)
because maoism is dead and most american's don't want to work on a collective farm.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup

baddog 03-27-2016 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20803700)
I would never vote for anyone soft on migration.

If illegal migrants are to be legalised, they have to prove they have a clean criminal record, bought their own home, hold down a job an American is available for and not having lots of kids.

All people applying for visas to enter the US have to show they have something to offer to the country accepting them. Even holiday visas have to be tightened up on if the person can't show they have something back home to return to.

This is how it used to be. Both Conservatives and Liberals have cast common sense aside. For different reasons or the same. The long term effect is high crime rates in Cities where decent jobs, homes and social services are scarce.

This is a A Fair and Humane Immigration Policy to the citizens of the destination country.

Just because a country accepted migrants with open arms during a time when manual labour was a high demand commodity. Doesn't mean we have to keep doing it.

sanders looks soft on migration which is bad for working class Americans.

For once, I agree.

Rochard 03-27-2016 08:12 PM

I haven't paid too much attention to Bernie. Or Hillary. I've watched some of the Republican debates, but mostly just for entertainment to see what Trump says. I'll wait until I have the final two candidates before I put much thought into making any decision.

However, I have already decided that I will vote against Trump no matter what.

NETbilling 03-27-2016 09:56 PM

Im not interested in being in a 70% tax bracket...

Mr Pheer 03-27-2016 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20804084)
I haven't paid too much attention to Bernie. Or Hillary. I've watched some of the Republican debates, but mostly just for entertainment to see what Trump says. I'll wait until I have the final two candidates before I put much thought into making any decision.

However, I have already decided that I will vote against Trump no matter what.

Why would a veteran vote for Hillary?

kane 03-27-2016 10:28 PM

While I don't agree with him on many of his positions, I like that he is who he is and doesn't apologize for it. I am a registered independent so I don't get to vote in any primary. My only chance to vote for Bernie would be if he won the democratic nomination, which is not likely going to happen.

If somehow he did win the nomination then it would depend on who the opponent was. I would likely vote for Trump over him, but I would likely vote for him over Cruz.

In the end it wouldn't really matter. I live in a blue state and since we are still stuck in the past and using the outdated electoral college system voting for either major candidate doesn't really matter because my state is going to go democrat.

In the end I will do as I normally do and vote for the third party candidate with the best chance of getting 5% of the popular vote.

kane 03-27-2016 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 20804141)
Why would a veteran vote for Hillary?

Hillary has actually done a lot to help veterans. It would probably be fair to say she has done more for veterans than all the other candidates combined.

I have no idea how she would be as Commander in Chief, but she clearly has stood by our veterans.

Mr Pheer 03-27-2016 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 20804165)
Hillary has actually done a lot to help veterans. It would probably be fair to say she has done more for veterans than all the other candidates combined.

I have no idea how she would be as Commander in Chief, but she clearly has stood by our veterans.

Most of us see the bigger picture and care more about about our country and those of us that are serving currently, than we do ourselves. That's how we ended up being veterans to begin with.

Hillary has voted for wars that we never should have gone into. She was a horrible Secretary of State... she fucked up and got more of us killed. And dont forget her famous words "What difference does it make?" and her incompetence at handling her security clearance.

kane 03-27-2016 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 20804192)
Most of us see the bigger picture and care more about about our country and those of us that are serving currently, than we do ourselves. That's how we ended up being veterans to begin with.

Hillary has voted for wars that we never should have gone into. She was a horrible Secretary of State... she fucked up and got more of us killed. And dont forget her famous words "What difference does it make?" and her incompetence at handling her security clearance.

As I said, I don't know how she will do as a Commander in Chief, nor do I know everything she has done as far as putting soldiers in harms way. What I do know is that she has done a lot for those who have served.

Paul Markham 03-28-2016 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 20803871)
If Americans don't believe what it says on the Statue of Liberty, we should sandblast that shit off.

Yes. like you changed so many out of date laws and practices. Next one should be the right to bear arms.

pimpmaster9000 03-28-2016 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 20803559)
I wont discuss my reason with a piece of shit like you. I'm also wondering why anybody else would.

so why are you not using that ignore software in your sig :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

http://i.imgur.com/awkdBw7.png?1

AmeliaG 03-28-2016 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20804243)
Yes. like you changed so many out of date laws and practices. Next one should be the right to bear arms.

Agree to disagree.

I don't think being a beacon of hope, opportunity, and freedom is something which should go out of style.

AmeliaG 03-28-2016 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 20804162)
While I don't agree with him on many of his positions, I like that he is who he is and doesn't apologize for it. I am a registered independent so I don't get to vote in any primary. My only chance to vote for Bernie would be if he won the democratic nomination, which is not likely going to happen.

If somehow he did win the nomination then it would depend on who the opponent was. I would likely vote for Trump over him, but I would likely vote for him over Cruz.

In the end it wouldn't really matter. I live in a blue state and since we are still stuck in the past and using the outdated electoral college system voting for either major candidate doesn't really matter because my state is going to go democrat.

In the end I will do as I normally do and vote for the third party candidate with the best chance of getting 5% of the popular vote.

Some polls are predicting Gary Johnson to get a double digit percentage, which would be a huge game changer for 2020 :thumbsup

Paul Markham 03-28-2016 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 20804321)
Agree to disagree.

I don't think being a beacon of hope, opportunity, and freedom is something which should go out of style.

Agree. Which is why borders have to be protected from people who will detract from the citizens of the country.

Are you willing to pay more taxes from a lower wage to support the hope, opportunity, and freedom of migrants?

Because uncontrolled migration ends up as that being a requirement. Every migrant doing an unskilled low wage is denying an American a job, home, school place, healthcare, security, etc. As we move into the 21st-century jobs will disappear. We're part of that revolution, taking offline jobs and putting them online where it requires fewer people from the consumers country.

http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibti...zn-chart_0.jpg

The future.

http://d.fastcompany.net/multisite_f...ing-plants.jpg

http://www.ewautomation.com/wp-conte...house-1170.jpg

And while those machines eliminate jobs. This is where the rest will go.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/a...g-1024x576.jpg

Making a 19th Century motto, redundant.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Liberty-06.jpg

pimpmaster9000 03-28-2016 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20804408)
Every migrant doing an unskilled low wage is denying an American a job, home, school place, healthcare, security, etc.

it would be a fair argument if strong countries did not exploit weak countries, keeping them poor, and in turn creating immigration...

you can not have it both ways...

you can not reap the $$$ from exploitation, print money and force others to follow suit (if they do not their currency value rises against the value of the printed $$$ and their exports suffer), and drop bombs AND at the same time expect not to face the consequences...

the US and EU are the ones denying their own citizens jobs with predatory foreign policies...blaming immigrants is like complaining that water is wet...do not get in the water if you do not want to get wet...

you can not have it both ways...

parreto efficiency...


btw thats some fascinating stuff with amazons revenue vs profit chart...

Paul Markham 03-28-2016 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20804453)
it would be a fair argument if strong countries did not exploit weak countries, keeping them poor, and in turn creating immigration...

you can not have it both ways...

you can not reap the $$$ from exploitation, print money and force others to follow suit (if they do not their currency value rises against the value of the printed $$$ and their exports suffer), and drop bombs AND at the same time expect not to face the consequences...

the US and EU are the ones denying their own citizens jobs with predatory foreign policies...blaming immigrants is like complaining that water is wet...do not get in the water if you do not want to get wet...

you can not have it both ways...

parreto efficiency...

When you find your "Fair World" be sure to tell us all and we can move there.

What you say is true. The powerful exploit the weak. The 1% of a country exploit the 80% at the bottom by bringing in more migrants from countries that can't support themselves.

The Serbs exploited the Bosnians only because the Bosnians were weak. A strong Srebrenica would have not ended up with 1,000s of weak Muslims murdered.

You're from a country that exploited the weak. So please no condemnation as if you're an innocent.

crockett 03-28-2016 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20803529)
I never saw any bird; I just saw a politician trying to convince his sheep that it might not look like a dove, it really was.

And you think if he can't differentiate between a dove and a sparrow he can tell the difference between a dove and a pigeon?

I stand by my comment.

You are dumb.. I stand by my comment.

Rochard 03-28-2016 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 20804141)
Why would a veteran vote for Hillary?

Why wouldn't a veteran vote for Clinton? Is Clinton bad for veterans? Is Bernie good or bad for veterans? Trump? Cruz? So far as I am concerned, NONE of them have any military experience so none of them are "great" to be our commander in chief of for general support of veterans.

I do not pick and choose who I vote for because I am a veteran. I was in the military for four years and while I support the military that was a long time ago; I worked for the phone company longer but I do not pick and choose who to vote for based on what the Communications Workers Of America Union tells their people to vote.

For me, the most important thing when picking a President is the economy. The rest is just noise.

kane 03-28-2016 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 20804324)
Some polls are predicting Gary Johnson to get a double digit percentage, which would be a huge game changer for 2020 :thumbsup

I had seen a story that he was gaining in the polls. I'll be voting or him in hopes that he can in fact get at least 5% of the popular vote. It could be the first big step towards a third party.

Mr Pheer 03-28-2016 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 20805464)
I had seen a story that he was gaining in the polls. I'll be voting or him in hopes that he can in fact get at least 5% of the popular vote. It could be the first big step towards a third party.

I did the same thing in the last election. Sadly he only got 3%. I dont mind doing that when there is an incumbent since I would never vote for an incumbent in the first place.

I consider this election to be too important to vote for someone with no chance of winning though. He can have my vote next time if we have an incumbent.

kane 03-28-2016 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 20805983)
I did the same thing in the last election. Sadly he only got 3%. I dont mind doing that when there is an incumbent since I would never vote for an incumbent in the first place.

I consider this election to be too important to vote for someone with no chance of winning though. He can have my vote next time if we have an incumbent.

Since I live in a steadily blue state if I were to vote for either major party candidate I see it as a wasted vote. The democrat is going to win this state so voting for Hillary won't help and voting for Trump (or Cruz if he pulls off the upset) isn't going to help because there is no way the republican will win my state.

So, while I agree with you that this is a very important election, I feel like my vote will be of most use if I cast it for Johnson. However, if I lived in a state that could go either way I likely would choose one of the two main candidates.

Manfap 03-29-2016 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20803700)
I would never vote for anyone soft on migration.

The Czechs probably feel the same about you. I'm sure your free cancer treatment wiped out any taxes you may have paid over the years.


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