Originally Posted by hardcorehosting (Post 20996995)

Mitch -

I guess you posted on a good day, or a bad day for me, looks like ccbill is down :mad:

Yesterday I would have said because they are never down, and I don't have to worry about making payouts.

pop me off an email and we'll talk about what you can do for us :)


Thanks!

Originally Posted by Holly Lez! (Post 20997130)

I think it is a comfort zone thing for a lot of site owners, they are afraid of change. For me I am most loyal to the company who works the account, helps with sales and has good fees!

Originally Posted by cici131421 (Post 20997280)

Epoch with Paypal!

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior (Post 20997103)

Simplicity.
Published fees.

Originally Posted by NETbilling (Post 20997619)

Who doesn't have published fees?

Originally Posted by NETbilling (Post 20995153)

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior (Post 20997862)

Okay - how much will it cost me to switch to you from CCBill?

Originally Posted by couchsurfer (Post 20997700)

Does netbilling work with vbulletin forum software? I'm looking for a payment processor to implement into a forum that I'm working on. I want to be able to accept payment for premium memberships and ad sales. So far I know that ccbill would work, some bitcoin processors, and a processor that accepts any gift card like Target/Starbucks, but I'm still looking for something that might work better than ccbill.

Originally Posted by celandina (Post 20997970)

An Inhibitory Postsynaptic Potential ( IPSP) is a kind of synaptic potential that makes a synaptic neuron less likely to generate an action potential....As to Mid Grade Mariuhana (MID)... It could also be Mobile Internet Device but in both cases it makes no sense to me any more then how Netbilling is different then the Epochs, Verotels and the CCbills:helpme

Originally Posted by arock10 (Post 20998042)

Personally I had better conversions with them when I ran it 50/50 to the mids which more then covered the additional fees. But I definitely seemed like the only person to experience this

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20998192)

The issues usually are:

1. Losing affiliates
2. NATS integration
3. Fiscal responsibility
4. NATS fees

1. When affiliates were vitally important a company like CCBill had an advantage since affs could merge payments and promote many Programs. Moving away from CCBill would mean upsetting the affiliate applecart.

Almost all of the largest privpgrams run them through their own merchant accounts. The affiliates also make more money as the fees are lower and conversion are better. However, you do not have to get rid of CCbill if you don't want to. You can certainly run NETbilling and CCbill concurrently.

2. Integrating NATS is famously a PITA (Pain In The Ass) with a lot of technical obstacles to overcome.

Depending on your technical level of expertise, there can be a learning curve but it is certainly worth it. Again, you can keep affiliates through CCbill if you wish and run NETbilling for your organic traffic.

3. The "this Program does not pay" threads you see here on GFY are always NATS Programs. Having to payout affiliates and partners instead of having a CCBill do it can lead to fiscal irresponsibility and even temptation. Not good.

That's an old mindset when a lot of skimming went on in the past. The bottom line is that if you are a solid program and your affiliates make $, they will stick with you.

4. Monthly NATS fees just to process affiliate info? Based on volume? So hundreds spent monthly on a NATS license...add that in and the savings with your own MID is minimal.

Depending on your volume this could be true or not. However, the flexibility of Nats and NETbilling can be maximized on so many levels, to help you make more money.

Bonus reason: Plus, once you go NATS you cannot really 'go back' to a CCBill easily. So once you make the decision to switch you are stuck with it.

As is stated, you don't need to get rid of CCbill. You can run CCbill and NETbilling concurrently. Many programs do that.

These are some of the traditional concerns with switching from a 3rd party biller.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20998192)

The issues usually are:

1. Losing affiliates
2. NATS integration
3. Fiscal responsibility
4. NATS fees

1. When affiliates were vitally important a company like CCBill had an advantage since affs could merge payments and promote many Programs. Moving away from CCBill would mean upsetting the affiliate applecart.

2. Integrating NATS is famously a PITA (Pain In The Ass) with a lot of technical obstacles to overcome.

3. The "this Program does not pay" threads you see here on GFY are always NATS Programs. Having to payout affiliates and partners instead of having a CCBill do it can lead to fiscal irresponsibility and even temptation. Not good.

4. Monthly NATS fees just to process affiliate info? Based on volume? So hundreds spent monthly on a NATS license...add that in and the savings with your own MID is minimal.

Bonus reason: Plus, once you go NATS you cannot really 'go back' to a CCBill easily. So once you make the decision to switch you are stuck with it.

These are some of the traditional concerns with switching from a 3rd party biller.

Originally Posted by NETbilling (Post 20997616)

And no control and high fees! YAY!

Originally Posted by plaster (Post 21000361)

Wait... you need nats to have a mid?

Originally Posted by Konda (Post 21000406)

You don't need NATS to process through Netbilling.
You can just make your own scripts or use other affiliate software.

For payouts you can just use a company like Chexx Inc

I understand it's a lot easier to use third party biller because they take care of payouts, customer support, affiliate tracking etc.
But you are losing a lot of money in the long run.

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 21000685)

The Paypal advantage is still way higher than the no control and high fees :2 cents:

Originally Posted by LovinNothin (Post 21000916)

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 21000685)

The Paypal advantage is still way higher than the no control and high fees :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 21000685)

The Paypal advantage is still way higher than the no control and high fees :2 cents:

Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 21001303)

Paypal is cool for sure. We once even got warned that should not have more than 50% overall sales in paypal, we was close :)
50% for Epoch sales only of course, which is the secondary biller, after our merchant. Epoch is not just paypal, also eats lots of super exotic euro voucher stuff, NL IDeal, plus it is declining less USA cards than our NL merchant and its known brand for afraid guys.

Yet I cna't understand the ccbill-only guys and we had our own merchant from day 1; not Netbilling - simply we're EU and so it's easier to be in EU bank and merchant platform, and our USA sales volume are not into trillions, or we would have sure evaluated setting up an US corp just to setup netbilling for USA sales for smaller decline ratio of the racist USA card schemes who consider bad to let their customers accept their decision to buy online in Europe (seriously, I would understand sales in Syria to be controversial... but EU union...).

Originally Posted by NETbilling (Post 21001123)

If you are using PayPal, can you expand on the actual percentage of increase to your business that adding PayPal has brought? I have been told it is a minimal increase to the actual bottom line and has just allowed a shift from credit card direct sales to PayPal.
Is this not the case for you?

Mitch