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RummyBoy 09-27-2016 06:51 AM

Deutsche Bank Is Failing....
 
Deutsche Bank shares fall further to fresh low - BBC News

Deutsche Bank Stock Crashes Near Single-Digits As CDS Spike To Record Highs | Zero Hedge

The share price has been collapsing over the last few months and as always, its the privileged traders who knew in advance what was coming. In addition to that, its facing a $14bn fine in the US while its market cap isn't much higher than $16bn (ish).

Amazing how little press this is getting considering the size or rather the former size of Deutsche Bank.

https://finance.yahoo.com/m/5338beac...urn-lower.html

CAHEK 09-27-2016 07:06 AM

if it walks like Lehman, and talks like Lehman... it is Lehman

Tasty1 09-27-2016 07:25 AM

"wir" schaffen Das"

RummyBoy 09-27-2016 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CAHEK (Post 21187039)
if it walks like Lehman, and talks like Lehman... it is Lehman

The collapse of Lehman is basically what triggered contagion during the financial crisis of 2008. Quote from ZH:

"Bear in mind, Deutsche Bank is considerably larger than Lehman Brothers. It’s derivatives book is 20 times German GDP."

OUCH! :helpme

Jigster715 09-27-2016 07:30 AM

I hope the cocksuckers choke to death.

Barry-xlovecam 09-27-2016 07:47 AM

The German government will have to bail them out if they fail

Quote:

That refusal stems from the exigencies of the German electoral system. What was actually said is that no state aid would be forthcoming before the elections for the German parliament (the Federal one) next year. That could quite possibly be true. But that?s very different indeed from stating that there would be no rescue if one were needed. For there are shades to this ?aid?, ?rescue? and so on stuff.

Forbes Welcome
More likely; a breakup and sell off of the good assets to another German bank -- the government (insurer) gets the garbage ...

RummyBoy 09-27-2016 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21187135)
The German government will have to bail them out if they fail

RAOUL PAL: 'It's not a big storm yet, but the clouds are everywhere' - Yahoo Finance

Sarn 09-27-2016 05:59 PM

Sanctions do not work)))
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4406/...5b7_30efa093_M

JFK 09-27-2016 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CAHEK (Post 21187039)
if it walks like Lehman, and talks like Lehman... it is Lehman

Quack Quack Quack :thumbsup

Adnium_Ivana 09-28-2016 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CAHEK (Post 21187039)
if it walks like Lehman, and talks like Lehman... it is Lehman

I was going to make a similar comment but you beat me to it. All these major world banks are all cronies cut from the same cloth. Good luck to regular german people who will bear the brunt of their major financial institution collapsing due to their own greed and eventual instability

celandina 09-28-2016 07:35 AM

They survived Hitler, this is nothing... Read this and weep

http://prodimage.images-bn.com/pimag...1_s192x300.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...in%22,_Bau.jpg

RummyBoy 09-30-2016 02:41 AM

https://www.ft.com/content/42ec5f88-...c-6e7d9515ad15

From above: "As its shares fell sharply in New York trading, Deutsche recirculated a statement emphasising its strong financial position."

Deja Vu much? It's funny how the best sign of a broke and collapsing bank is a statement from the same bank telling everyone that its strong.....

The Run Begins: Deutsche Bank Hedge Fund Clients Withdraw Excess Cash | Zero Hedge

RummyBoy 09-30-2016 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21187135)
The German government will have to bail them out if they fail

Probably, although Merkel has so far ruled that out....

Deutsche Bank troubles: Don’t look for a bailout anytime soon

Deutsche Bank shares tank as concern grows over stability - Yahoo Finance

If I had money in Deutsche, I'd be running to get it out about now....

Google Expert 09-30-2016 05:11 AM

Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer!

RummyBoy 09-30-2016 08:39 AM

As Europe's Dollar Shortage Intensifies, Funding Pressure Surges Most In 4 Years | Zero Hedge

Oops...... now this is going to be interesting.

No-one is really following this apart from financial markets, but it could be something everyone knows about soon.

2MuchMark 09-30-2016 09:20 AM

I wonder what Donald Trump has to say about this?

When Donald Trump Needs a Loan, He Chooses Deutsche Bank - WSJ

Trump's Giant Conflict of Interest Just Got Bigger | Mother Jones

https://www.thestreet.com/story/1383...ump-money.html

Tasty1 09-30-2016 09:47 AM

'GERMANY COULD BECOME THE BIGGEST ATM IN HISTORY' Liam Fox warns EU is at terrifying risk of implosion after Brexit.

The Tory veteran boasted that while Britain could now chart a new place in the world, the EU faced a full blown banking crisis as well as wave of social problems and the migrant chaos.

And in comments that could infuriate Berlin, he said Germany could become the “greatest ATM in global history” as it picks up the bill for the EU’s woe.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/187362...-after-brexit/

Barry-xlovecam 10-01-2016 08:01 AM

Symbol Company Last Sale Price Change Net / % Share Volume Volume % Change
DB Deutsche Bank AG $13.09 1.61 ▲ 14.02% 70017780 1021.00%
DKT Deutsch Bk Contingent Cap Tr V $24.35 .98 ▲ 4.19% 2572179 907.00%
DTK Deutsche Bank AG $23.78 .93 ▲ 4.07% 3392261 820.00%
DXB Deutsche Bank AG $23.27 1.04 ▲ 4.68% 1639097 707.00%

Stock Volume Indicator: Unusual Stock Trading Volume - NASDAQ.com

Another zerohedge premature ejaculation

Some made a lot of money Friday :2 cents:

RummyBoy 10-01-2016 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21194995)

Another zerohedge premature ejaculation

Some made a lot of money Friday :2 cents:

And your point is what?

Even Lehman and Bear Stearns had the odd day of bouncing during the financial crisis. Deutsche Bank (DB) bounced because of rumors that the US fine against them will be mitigated to a sum of under $5BN which compares very well to the upto $14BN that could have been levied. This settlement was announced only because there was developing a run on the bank as you can see above.

It's just a rumor but even if true, that doesn't change anything much about the solvency of the bank. DB's share price has fallen from $140/share in 2007 to like under $10 this year and you can expect the downtrend to continue after a short abatement.

The market is always right, this bank has SERIOUS problems.

RummyBoy 10-04-2016 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RummyBoy (Post 21195769)
The market is always right, this bank has SERIOUS problems.

Looks like we have governments spinning plates behind the scenes. Commerzbank doesn't look too good either.

Is another German bank in trouble? Commerzbank to cut 9,600 jobs and suspend dividend

Tasty1 10-04-2016 06:00 AM

went down 7% an up 7% in one day on some rumours.
But looks like the fine is not 14 but 5,5 billion.
The same day another problem arose, now the EU want to fine Deutsche Bank.
Won't happen, they have to pay the bill when Deutsche Bank fails.

Could be a good longterm investment when the problems are more clear.
Stock prices never where so low.

RummyBoy 10-04-2016 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1 (Post 21199216)
went down 7% an up 7% in one day on some rumours.
But looks like the fine is not 14 but 5,5 billion.

You're behind the times and you haven't read the news post in the thread either. It was a shown to be false (a rumor), some say to enable some hedge funds to get out of the stock.

Deutsche Bank shares choppy with no DOJ settlement deal in sight

Deutsche bank won't be worthwhile unless it gets bailed out but you got to wonder about HOW it can be bailed out. It has MASSIVE derivatives exposure, over 20 times German GDP. There's a run on the bank happening as we speak and if it needs a bailout, its a problem far bigger than Lehman and will take other banks with it...

RummyBoy 10-04-2016 07:16 PM

Gundlach on Deutsche Bank

Gundlach: "Deutsche Bank Will Be Bailed Out But What About Credit Suisse" | Zero Hedge

Tasty1 10-05-2016 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RummyBoy (Post 21199225)
You're behind the times and you haven't read the news post in the thread either. It was a shown to be false (a rumor), some say to enable some hedge funds to get out of the stock.

Deutsche Bank shares choppy with no DOJ settlement deal in sight

Deutsche bank won't be worthwhile unless it gets bailed out but you got to wonder about HOW it can be bailed out. It has MASSIVE derivatives exposure, over 20 times German GDP. There's a run on the bank happening as we speak and if it needs a bailout, its a problem far bigger than Lehman and will take other banks with it...

Yes, missed it. So it is even worse. But they will be safed. Else the political party in charge can stop the party, will never be elected again. They will find away, dumb some bad assets and save the rest. They can be creative. Only problem will be EU with the new rules, bit i think Germany will do what is best for them. (and they are right).

The 3 banks that got bailed out / helped in Holland are doing well now, making money. One paid all the money back 1,5 year ago and government is making profit.

Now waiting for the bank-run that will happen when it fails.

RummyBoy 10-07-2016 03:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1 (Post 21202006)
Now waiting for the bank-run that will happen when it fails.

You're late here too. The bank run started a couple of weeks back and even been problems getting cash at the ATM from Deutsche Bank.

Deutsche Bank is 'technically insolvent': Expert

RummyBoy 10-08-2016 11:41 PM

If Deutsche bank goes under, the markets are going to explode or should i say implode?

Is the right word explode or implode?

Deutsche Bank Raises $3 Billion In Debt, As Hedge Fund Explains What Its "Bail-In" Would Look Like | Zero Hedge

Relic 10-21-2016 04:31 PM

You can dance if you want to.

Paul Markham 10-22-2016 02:31 AM



All thanks to the EU.

Paul Markham 10-22-2016 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1 (Post 21193822)
'GERMANY COULD BECOME THE BIGGEST ATM IN HISTORY' Liam Fox warns EU is at terrifying risk of implosion after Brexit.

The Tory veteran boasted that while Britain could now chart a new place in the world, the EU faced a full blown banking crisis as well as wave of social problems and the migrant chaos.

And in comments that could infuriate Berlin, he said Germany could become the ?greatest ATM in global history? as it picks up the bill for the EU?s woe.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/187362...-after-brexit/

The EU Bureaucrats are trying to tell the UK that they will get a tough deal to scare other countries into not asking for a referendum. This means cutting German exports to the UK. Along with all the other EU members.

Seeing as the EU is responsible for the Euro and the economy of Europe. Why are they being allowed to carry on making everything worse for Europeans?

The UK is the EU's biggest customer. It employs millions of Europeans and keeps the EU solvent. So why are these EU imbeciles allowed to destroy it for everyone in pursuit of their dream to run and control Europe?

All that's needed is a Common Market.

Barry-xlovecam 10-22-2016 05:30 AM

Code:

DB        NYSE               
CHANGE        $2.39        16.70%        UP

09/27/2016        $11.92               
10/21/2016        $14.31               
Date            Close/Last

Almost 17% in one month
Thanks zerohedge :1orglaugh

https://s13.postimg.org/s8uoqyas7/DB_NYSE.jpg

Tasty1 10-22-2016 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21240652)
The EU Bureaucrats are trying to tell the UK that they will get a tough deal to scare other countries into not asking for a referendum. This means cutting German exports to the UK. Along with all the other EU members.

Seeing as the EU is responsible for the Euro and the economy of Europe. Why are they being allowed to carry on making everything worse for Europeans?

The UK is the EU's biggest customer. It employs millions of Europeans and keeps the EU solvent. So why are these EU imbeciles allowed to destroy it for everyone in pursuit of their dream to run and control Europe?

All that's needed is a Common Market.

Yes, some countries and the leaders of the EU will try to make an example of the Brexit.
And only to scare people so they won't vote in referendum against EU in ther countries.
I hope they change their minds, else i hope the rest of Europe will be smart with the next elections. We must get rid of the Eurofilians. A good relationship with the UK is much much more important than the ego of of some politician we soon will forget when they get thrown out after the next elections. Maybe the IJ will get a roll like in WW2, they saved Europe by standing up alone against Germany, till more forces joint them. The Battle of Brexit is going on!

ilnjscb 10-22-2016 10:11 AM

Germany will bail them out, and make some changes

beerptrol 10-22-2016 11:21 AM

What happened? Did Trump declare bankruptcy so he doesn't have to repay the loan(s) from them!

Vendot 10-22-2016 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21240760)
[CODE]
Almost 17% in one month
Thanks zerohedge :1orglaugh[/IMG]

Sure but what of it? Nothing goes down in a straight line and if you want to gamble on the upside in an insolvent bank, feel free but you're better off at the casino.

Deutsche is heading lower until it gets bailed out and only then will it (sustainably) pop to the upside.

Tasty1 10-23-2016 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendot (Post 21242299)
Sure but what of it? Nothing goes down in a straight line and if you want to gamble on the upside in an insolvent bank, feel free but you're better off at the casino.

Deutsche is heading lower until it gets bailed out and only then will it (sustainably) pop to the upside.

That is if the government isn't taking it all over and shares will be worthless.

Paul Markham 10-23-2016 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1 (Post 21240766)
Yes, some countries and the leaders of the EU will try to make an example of the Brexit.
And only to scare people so they won't vote in referendum against EU in ther countries.
I hope they change their minds, else i hope the rest of Europe will be smart with the next elections. We must get rid of the Eurofilians. A good relationship with the UK is much much more important than the ego of of some politician we soon will forget when they get thrown out after the next elections. Maybe the IJ will get a roll like in WW2, they saved Europe by standing up alone against Germany, till more forces joint them. The Battle of Brexit is going on!

EU GDP is stagnant, most Western EU countries are suffering from lower living standards. Add the banking, migrant and terrorist crisis andEurope has to get on with each other. The only way to ensure that is to vote for Anti-EU politicians. European trade and cooperation is for Europeans to decide, not the rats in the EU.

woj 10-23-2016 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendot (Post 21242299)
Sure but what of it? Nothing goes down in a straight line and if you want to gamble on the upside in an insolvent bank, feel free but you're better off at the casino.

Deutsche is heading lower until it gets bailed out and only then will it (sustainably) pop to the upside.

did you actually short it yourself? sounds like you didn't, you would be a bit less enthusiastic after taking an almost 20% hit in a month... and so why didn't you short?

Vendot 10-23-2016 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj (Post 21242692)
and so why didn't you short?

Nobody in their right mind would short a bank that we all know will get bailed out if things get a lot worse. If things don't get bad enough, we'll still get stories about an impending "solution" that will drive the stock back up again so its the same old story. If there is a settlement with the US, the stock will go up again so don't be surprised.

It's too big to fail.

romeo22 10-24-2016 01:20 AM

Mislim are in and would take over the country.The bank system will go down as well


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