Russia/Assad & US/Iraq vs ISIS
 

Notice the difference between the US's tactics while helping Iraq deal with ISIS vs Russia's tactics helping Syria. For Russia and Syria it's taken over a year of bombing the shit out of Aleppo to push ISIS out "mostly". While doing this ISIS captured another city in Syria.

Meanwhile in Iraq, the US did not bomb Mosul to rubble and yet with Iraq forces and our help we pushed ISIS almost completely out of that city in a little over a month of fighting and have just about pushed them out of Iraq. Of course the fight is not over yet, but it's obvious we are doing way better than Russia is in Syria.

It's pretty clear Russia and Assad are more worried about killing Opposition forces than actually killing ISIS, I think this is what it comes down to.

Why does it take Russia & Assad a year of fighting only to then lose more ground while competently destroying a major city? Putin should be trying to learn from the US, not stirring up troubles.

Russia has a vastly different approach to war. They believe in using a massive amount of force and destroying anything that gets in their way.

There is another side to this also. The United States wants Iraq to be able to handle it's own problems, and to be able to take on ISIS directly. While the US is bombing ISIS, we are also training the Iraqis on how to take care of this. The Russians are not doing this in Syria.

The main Russian goal is to keep their air and naval bases in Syria "safe."

The Iraqis and the US led coalition want to defeat ISIS.

The US led coalition wants to want to safeguard their oil transactions -- big money involved.

Iran and Hezbollah just want to prove they can wreak havoc.

The civilians are fucked up caught in the middle of all of these opposing interests.

That, and ISIS in Syria is getting a lot of help from the US and Turkey, as well as a ton of mis-information and propaganda help from the CIA for the news outlets. :thumbsup

we learn from the US that is why so long :1orglaugh

if Turkey got their asses into fight, 50miles away, they have so many troops. they would wipe the area & the war would be over...

damn cowards :(

Yep . sure looks like it .... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

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Getting militarily involved in the ME is a fools game. Muslims are split down the middle, Shia and Sunni. Then there are the individual tribes trying to get their guy to the top of the pile, like Saddam and the Baathist tribe.

We can't win and Russia will discover that again like they have in Chechnia and Afghanistan. Muslims are willing to blow themselves up to take out a handful of citizens. Let it be Russians instead of Americans or Europeans.

KGB doesn't give a fuck, they keep doing the ugly thing no matter what.

Soviet Lists Afghan War Toll - 13,310 Dead, 35,478 Wounded - NYTimes.com



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Dead Muslims 3 Million? more?
If this is #winning I would hate to see what losing looks like :upsidedow

That number doesn't even count their "private contractors" they were using as meat shields for Assad's army. Those dudes were dying by the truck loads.. These guys are making roughly $800-$4000/month depending on their pay grade for a company called Wagner and their deaths are never covered as war casualties.

some of you people are joke really, your statements not only proves how ignorant about to topics you talk about and how far geographicaly and logicallly twoards middle east matters but not limitedd to.

1. there are no either secullar or so called moderate opposition in Syria, they all islamists one way or an other,

2. Asad and current government has a relatively secullar and westernized understanding,

3. you guys talk with big mouth when it comes to US foreign ppolicy, get your facts streight but before that you need better study it, unfortunately US government has it's best when it comes to shitting pretty every where a specially around middle east.

for the side note: take a look at "US middle east policy and it's affects on rize of islamism and islamist groups/carter doctrin" and it's results, you would see how how acttuallly whole this baloon created by American government's policy.

to sum it up, CIA was the father of islamists.

for you lazy basterds:

1. united states and the birth of islamism
https://www.theglobalist.com/united-...irth-islamism/

2. Washinton's secret history with Muslim brotherhood
Washington's Secret History with the Muslim Brotherhood | by Ian Johnson | NYR Daily | The New York Review of Books

3. histtorical aproach
and so on
America's Devil's Game with Extremist Islam | Mother Jones

google is your buddy, typing afew words would do the job.
and look at this, Syrian official news agency, you may find out what are locals and their oficial government dealing with (it's English, your mother language)), videos also awailable:

Syrian Arab News Agency – S A N A

probabely most of you guys won't ever try reading the sources i've posted and keep going with those ssame rediculous arguments taken from mainstream media, but i hope they give some people a differant perspective.

and let me tell you something more, Middle east once was a better place

Need to get your math corrected:

Mosul:

About 5,000 ISIS fighters....
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About 10,000 Iraqi army
About 6,000 Kurdish Peshmerga
About. 8,000 Iranian Guards
About. 4,000 various Shia militias
About 300 US special forces advising
Coalition air support ( periphery of Mosul massive)

Aleppo:

About 20,000 al Nusra and other jihadis
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About 12,000 Syrian army
About. 2,000 Hesbolah fighters

Russian air support massive.

:helpme

Cowards?

why our soldiers have to die in a war where we never belong to? why don't you get your fat ass and go there personally if you have that mutch brave heart?

as ordinary citizens we did not create this war, we didn't ask for it, our people have no pllace in there.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

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REALITY:

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oups !!\!\!\!:upsidedow

you are wasting your time explaining to western people that we are not obliged to go fight in the wars they start/fund/create etc...when they invade and you resist you are an "insurgent" and when you run away from their shit you are an "invader"...when you stay and fight they stab you in the back and leave you to be run over by the shit they started...

Oups again ..... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

?US anti-ISIS Mosul operation will likely take an entire year? ? former Pentagon official
Published time: 3 Jan, 2017 14:42
Edited time: 3 Jan, 2017 15:01

RaRaRa .... :1orglaugh

give putin a call and clue him in be the beast way to deal with this I think

Nice meltdown..

It's pretty clear that Crockett is completely clueless on this topic. Hey Crockett, please explain why Tulsi Gabbard just put a bill through Congress that says the US should stop arming terrorists. Where do you think these terror groups get a shit ton of weapons? Where do you think those weapons are made? How did they get hundreds of new Toyota trucks? Assad told the Saudis to fuck off about building a new pipeline, then the Saudis sent in some terrorists with Hillary & Obama's help. How are you so clueless? The state-run media in the Obama regime got you fucked up, dude lol :1orglaugh

Troops on the ground are in more danger than pilots and drones in the sky.

Aleppo is free.

What about Mosul? :)

Acepimp bravo! True...