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Originally Posted by Best-In-BC
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The problem is TOO MUCH CO2 (and TOO MUCH Methane, etc). We are tipping the balance, and that is the problem.
That is not happening.
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NASA and NOAA disagree with you on that.
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Originally Posted by EonBlue
(Post 21470224)
Best then to spend the billions and trillions on cleaning up the actual harmful pollutants in fossil fuels.
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But why spend so much money when there is already cleaner and less expensive forms of energy available? GE is already doing it:
GE takes a profit on the back of renewable energy gains - UPI.com
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Originally Posted by EonBlue
(Post 21470224)
CO2 is not a problem. All of the CO2 contained in fossil fuels used to be in the atmosphere. We are just putting it back where it belongs.
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Ok, interesting.... do you have any links to back this up? I would like to read it.
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Originally Posted by EonBlue
(Post 21470224)
If the oceans are warming then they cannot absorb CO2. Not from the air at least. Warming oceans actually release CO2. That's actually where much of the rise in atmospheric CO2 has come from.
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Yes that's right, but that makes the problem worse, not better. The ocean is the biggest warehouse of Co2, you're right about that. It's absorbing more and thats causing Acidification. But yes maybe if it gets too warm, it will start releasing all of its CO2. Acidification may go down who knows, but that will mean alot more CO2 in the atmosphere, making the planet warmer, won't it?
Found this:
Ocean Carbon Uptake
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Originally Posted by EonBlue
(Post 21470224)
The only thing raising the price of food is carbon taxes and turning food into biofuel in an attempt to reduce CO2.
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Not according to the EPA :
https://www.epa.gov/climate-impacts/...nd-food-supply
I'll meet you half-way on this though. I never understood the interest in biofuel. Growing food mainly for fuel is wrong somehow..
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Originally Posted by EonBlue
(Post 21470224)
There were fewer major tropical cyclones making landfall in 2016 compared to 2015. Tropical cyclone numbers for 2016 were below the 40-year average.
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Yes that's true, but there are other forms of extreme weather such as heavy rains or extreme dry heat and drought. Look at what is happening in Texas... And besides, I think what we should be looking at is the Average weather. Just because there was a dip last year doesn't mean things are ok.
Check out this report from the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory:
https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/historical...storm-records/
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Originally Posted by EonBlue
(Post 21470224)
But do you honestly expect them to do an objective assessment of all the animals killed and species threatened due to habitat loss caused by our efforts to reduce CO2 by burning biofuels instead of fossil fuels?
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No but that's not what the report was about. It was about the effect on the animals and species due to climate change, not the cause of climate change.
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Originally Posted by EonBlue
(Post 21470224)
Look up the plight of the Orangutan.
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Are you referring to their loss of habitant due to deforestation and clear-cutting? If so, thats fucking terrible. If you're referring to something else, please explain.
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Originally Posted by EonBlue
(Post 21470224)
Please show me in the Earth manual where it states what the normal, natural balance of CO2 in the atmosphere is.
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You know what? That's a really good question. I spent a few minutes googling it but couldn't really find an answer to that (I'm tired). However according to sites like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon...9;s_atmosphere
and
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...te-numerology/
it has to be kept below 350 ppm. I'm not smart enough to understand the whys and hows and chemisty of it all, but if thats what science is saying, its gotta be true.
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Originally Posted by EonBlue
(Post 21470224)
CO2 levels are far nearer to 0 than at almost any other time in the geologic record. For most of history they have been much, much higher than now. Why do you assume that almost deathly low is normal while higher is abnormal?
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That's impossible. Plants and all creatures breathe out CO2. Vocanoes sprew it and other greenhouse gasses like co2 and methane, and of course all mamals fart out methane. Where did you read that CO2 is the lower now than its ever been?
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Originally Posted by EonBlue
(Post 21470224)
It cannot radiate heat back towards the ground because that violates the law of thermodynamics. It can radiate heat into the cooler atmosphere but that just leads to more convection which helps move heat out into space. The Earth is not a glass topped greenhouse that physically traps heat. The atmosphere is fluid and dynamic and it is not a closed system.
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(Wow! You know what dude? You are almost right on this... This is a great argument. I am not trying to be a smart ass. I am truly enjoying this conversation).
Anyway, you logic is flawed. It does not violate the law of thermodynamics. You are forgetting the fact that the Earth is being warmed by the sun. There is a good explanation about this at
https://www.skepticalscience.com/Sec...use-theory.htm
I am enjoying this - and thanks for keeping it civil!
