Annual cost of illegals crossing border
 

Costing USA for annual illegals.. $100 billion a year

Building a the wall will cost.. $13 billion a year (even if we pay for it so we don't damage existing relationship with mexico which could reduce our trade deficit from $58 billion)

Existing border security costs $12 billion a year

(My estimate for maintaining the new "wall" should be $12 billion a year as it shouldnt be more than the current border costs but thats worst case..another 12 billion yearly..so $24 billion a year maintenance cost on this new wall + one time fee of 13 billion a year.)

if it will reduce that $100 billion a year to..lets say, even at $50 billion a year minimum (worst case i hope). The wall will pay for itself easily while not hurting the $58 billion trade deficit between Mexico and US

Then its a better deal and reduce to future bad eggs from hatching and any ripple effects that illegals cost us tax payers/ families
ex: illegals - theft, murder, accidents, medical expenses..


So my verdict on this is.

STOP insulting mexico (because they will not pay for it) so our trade deficit with them will stay same at $58 billion

Just have tax payers pay a one time fee of $13 billion + $24 billion annual fee (worst case)

Reduce the illegals costing the US from $100 billion to $50 billion (hoping). They need to research how much these border' megawalls" save countries first to validate idea

Yea the problem is they come across and have like 15 kids as well

source .... ?

Obviously you didn't figure in the profit for those who hire them.
The rich could give two shits about the cost to taxpayers, all that matters is how much they profit from using them

lol the rich don't use illegals :1orglaugh

People like me do, to move shit

The point is THEY ARE FUCKING ILLEGAL...they should not be here PERIOD. Now build that damn wall!

BS - Anheuser-Busch would not be able to brew beer if it weren't for all the illegals they hire...and many other rich companies...no one in the US wants to do the work - so fuck it...let them make beer and who gives a fuck if they pay less than min wage...at least they spend most of their money right back into the economy - just dont give them any handouts

Yep! And the local farmers out here in California are freaking out about this year's harvest and how much they might lose due to lack of labor. Hopefully they can pony up the money to pay a fair wage and advertise a lot to make up for the loss of illegals, if they actually have a loss.

Okay, I'll bite; show me your reliance that AB hires illegals. My craft beer fans would love to hear that, but I won't pass it along as fact until you show some kind of proof.

You've become so lazy dude. You used to be cool, now you can't even Google and call people names here all day in other threads. Lay off the Scotch and smoke weed instead.

They don't; I am relatively confident I would have heard about it YEARS ago if they did. I work in an industry that hates AB.

In the meantime, go choke on a dick.

You all do realize that the multi billion wall is a 2 min deterrent for somebody with a rope ladder right?

Op should be more concerned with the wasteful trillions spent on bloated military contracts and wars

Perhaps reduce a few billion dollars to Afghanistan's / Iraq's infrastructure rebuilding including the other NATO blood sucking countries where the US lifts all the heavy weight (without assistance) and build the border wall.

Under the Trump administration, all going back. McDonalds employees will be no more.

No comment but that will be the last time they see that rope and ladder.
What don't you idiots understand about the word " Illegal " ??

http://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/u...16-800x430.jpg

it´s not as clean cut as that...

first, it was the US that did most of the destruction to those countries, rebuilding is part of the mission & you say blood sucking countries, you don´t think the US borrow from countries at dirt cheap rates, especially from China & Japan :2 cents:

I am well aware of destruction. In my service I was authorized to participated in a lot of that heart break. If captured, they would have shown no mercy on us.
Under Bush (41st) we should have took the horn and kept presence in Somalia.. hence Clinton won the election / we were ran out of the Mog and Somalia is no better than what is was. (Great men died in that battle) -- Somalia is on the terrorist list.

Dirt cheep rates of China and Japan. What happened to "Made in the USA" ?
Why is everything outsourced ?
I am sure Mexico is not too happy with Trump- oh fucking well- America First !
Wait until Trump unleashes on Canada where most illegals cross that boarder.

A head of lettuce will cost $2.50.
Thanks Trump

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fussing about the costs of illegal immigration in today's america is like complaining that a crackhead compulsive gambler doesn't buy the cereal that's on sale

That's what it costs here in Monarch Beach California at Gelsons on PCH, well $2.39. 2 pounds of golden potatos $5.99.

I've been here 7 years now, thinking of moving. Seriously thinking of going the deconstructed route and getting back to my roots.

So basically what you are saying is.... illegal immigration currently cost us 100 billion plus 12 billion to maintain security so.... In the future it will cost us 100 billion, plus the 12 billion, plus the 13 billion.... because building a fucking wall isn't going to change a damn thing.

I paid $0.99 for lettuce at Kroger here today (like Safeway or Albertsons )
I bought large yellow bell peppers from Mexico today for $0.99 each on sale.
Sometimes large Mango from Mexico are on sale here for $0.99 ea
I bought medium sized Avocado from Mexico at Aldi for $0.58 ea a few weeks ago on sale

The effect of millions of extra workers prepared to undercut legal workers has a trickle dow effect on all workers. It's Supply and demand.

They will be moving to automated machines to pick produce soon, this will speed that move up.

it already does, that was Fasssst :Graucho

Can I ask where the $100bn cost comes from. A source for the data and what the $100bn consists of ?

Just asking.

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And to put that expenditure into perspective (if the data is vaild)

Joseph Stiglitz, former chief economist of the World Bank and winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics, and Linda Bilmes of Harvard University, have stated the total costs of the Iraq War on the US economy will be three trillion dollars in a moderate scenario, described in their book The Three Trillion Dollar War and possibly more in the most recent published study, published in March 2008.[10] Stiglitz has stated: "The figure we arrive at is more than $3 trillion. Our calculations are based on conservative assumptions...Needless to say, this number represents the cost only to the United States. It does not reflect the enormous cost to the rest of the world, or to Iraq."[10]

A 2013 updated study[11] pointed out that U.S. medical and disability claims for veterans after a decade of war had risen to $134.7 billion from $33 billion two years earlier.

the trumpets do not really care about the economy they just want to be bigots...any reason to "big" is good enough for them...the invasion budget could grow 100x and you would not hear a single bitch from them...3trillion on a fake war is no problem at all as long as they get to deport somebody or make others miserable...

Book on migrant labor forces

Most of the Hop farms in existence are staffed by H2(Government program that allows dual citizenship for crop pickers) Mexican and Jamaican migrants brought in to pick crops - including the farms most craft beer makers buy from

Note that this is what most of the complainers call illegals....but in reality we both know that they are really here under guidance and laws that allow them in...for some reason some people think that this is "illegals" but without them the farm economy would collapse

I thought you lived in Calif....I know when I lived out there just about every fruit, vegetable and nut farm..including the wineries, employed migrants from Mexico

I see your problem; you think migrant worker equals illegal allien.

Try sticking with reality. There are laws set up that allow migrant farm workers.

A head of feces covered lettuce. Enjoy your salad.

Dude you need to catch up with the times. I'm a Californian these issues are well known

The H-2A problem: Why a perfectly legal farmworker visa program isn't being used more

I don't expect you to click the link and read so I'll paraphrase: the H-2A visa program has long delays and flaws, this is why farmers are forced to often use illegal workers to survive.

They're sprayed with chems to clean all that. Perfectly safe to eat. :winkwink:

why else did DirtyDon pay for his "made in china" hats, cost.

Sorry to hear about your tragic story of the wars. Most upsetting :Oh crap

I apologize for not making that point - I thought everyone knew of that issue already - especially those living in Calif - and the fact that the numbers everyone throws around include migrants and their families whether illegal or not...there were tons of news stories about AB and others using illegals back during a previous election where someone was pushing building a fence/wall in their campaign - I believe it was Bush?

Of course it's not info that craft brewers want to use to make a point as they usually buy their hops from the same farms ??

This one is fucking good one...

I don't really doubt the humbers. Illegal immigrants burn up a lot of money. Schools, law enforcement, medical and health needs, social services.... etc etc etc.

But you bring up a valid point - the amount of money we've spent on multiple wars in the past twenty years is staggering.... And the costs will continue to go up.

When the Spanish made first contact with native americans they discovered a people still living in the stone age. They hadn't even invented the wheel yet. In fact, they were immediately attacked by these primitive humans.

Early American settlers attempted to co-exist with the injuns, but they were basically wild animals and tried to kill everyone. Thus they had to be cleared out.

Nowadays native Americans do nothing but bitch and moan. They should be thanking us for advancing their people forward literally THOUSANDS of years in human development.

Mmmm, chems. E-coli anyone?

They're not native. They crossed the land bridge in the last ice age.

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

The real cost of illegal immigration - Washington Times

Even legal migration has a huge cost to a Nation if not controlled. You must see that in the UK.

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yes yes you guys just wiped out 150million of them and you think you did them a favor...so if somebody busts in to your house and tries to live "peacefully" and you object, then you are fair game to be killed off?...but at the same time americans complain about refugees ooooooh LOL :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

brainwashed idiot :2 cents: ( oxymoron .... )

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Using Fairus as a reference is probably not the smartest thing - they are a leftist liberal group of environmentalists founded by feminists, tree-huggers and enviromental lawyers...that are the group that sponsored the bill in Arizona for racial profiling people to find out if they were illegal immigrants...they are partially funded by the Pioneer Fund - a group of neo-nazis and promote eugenics as a good solution to improve the character of Americans

Then choosing the Washington Times as a second source basically totally ruined any chance of a unbiased source

Sorry - two strikes :thumbsup

By the way - if you want real numbers - it's not going to happen as everyone that tries lumps legal and illegal immigrants together...

Here's a good source to debunk most of what you're claiming that's been around for a few years cost-of-illegal-immigrants

Net cost is maybe around $1 billion or so...but that doesn't take into account the lower cost of agriculture, produce and beer/tequila for US citizens that the cheap labor generates - so overall cost is probably negative and a benefit to the US - at least to people who eat, drink or use tobacco

Yeah, an illegal took your menial labor job?

Illegal (undocumented workers) are a problem world wide.
Make idiotic demands on Mexico to pay for a fucking wall.
Then fuck the USA consumer by raising tariffs to shut the crybaby *red hats* up?

Step one: Start building a wall.
Step two: Enforce laws about hiring undocumented workers.

I know, it's always too hard to do things legally; something pretty much every criminal says.

So, post one. I am pretty sure we had the Internet then.

So, due to a broken imigration system, American farmers are criminals is your eyes. You're not a patriot what a disgrace.

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