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Originally Posted by ravenazrael
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Too many threads, but I still do not see the logic some of you follow. I assume people do not like Trump for reasons related to the following questions.
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I'll take a shot at these. These are my own opinions. I don't consider myself a true liberal. I'm pretty moderate when it comes to fiscal stuff, but I am liberal when it comes to social issues like gay marriage and legal weed.
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1. Why is Trump a racist? Vetting terrorist and banning 7 countries is not making a generalization. Illegal immigrants is not the same as legal immigrants. So why is he a racist?
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I personally don't think Trump is a racist. I think he sometimes doesn't communicate very well. When he announced he was running for President his first statement included stuff about building the wall and protecting the borders. In that statement, he made a lot of generalizations that made it seem like most of the people coming across the border were criminals and a few of them were good people just trying to make a better life for themselves. Of course, there is no proof of that. When he issued his ban on Muslims from those seven countries the executive order wasn't very well thought out and there were people who had green cards and visas who have been living here legally not let back into the country because they were originally from one of these countries. Also, some people saw it as picking and choosing. For example, I believe most or all of the 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia, but they weren't on the list. Some people believe this is because we get oil from them and the government gets money and other things from this. This isn't racism per se, but some people questioned the logic.
He has also said he wants to start using stop and frisk tactics to deal with crime. We can debate the effectiveness of those tactics, but the truth is they will mostly be used in black neighborhoods. Many of these neighborhoods have a serious crime problem, but they see this is a racist act.
As for legal Vs illegal immigrants, we saw Trump speak just the other day about putting in place a program that would make it harder to legally immigrate here. A merit based system would allow us to cherry pick who we let into the country based on how they might benefit the country. Other countries do this, but there are a lot of people who think we are the glowing beacon of freedom and should be open to anyone who is legally trying to make a better life for themselves. After all, the Statue of Liberty says, "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" Not " Give me you engineers and doctors."
Again, I don't think he is a racist, but some people feel his actions show a deep-seeded racism.
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2. Why is he a fascist? Mainstream media has picked on him and tried to destroy him in 30 days. Celebrities and other famous people jumped the anti-trump train. Nobody did that to Obama or Bush in the first 30 days.
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No President has banned the media from White House events like Trump has. Yes, the media comes after him hard, but he brought most of this shit on himself. If they print a story he doesn't like, even if it is true, he calls them fake news. If they don't run a story he thinks they should run, he calls them fake news. Trump wants the news to be exactly what he wants and how he wants it to be said and anything else is fake news. The harder he pushes, the harder they are going to push back. Trying to shut the media out and control the media reeks of facism. I don't think he is an outright facist, but I think he sometimes thinks he is a dictator and he gets pissed when he doesn't get his way.
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3. Why is making people pee and take a shit in the bathroom that corresponds to the biological gender attacks the rights of those who want to change society.
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This is one of those issues that effects a very small number of people and in my opinion was brought up by the Republicans with the simple plan of using it to fire up their base who were skeptical of Trump. That said, Laverne Cox, a transexual actor, was on Colbert the other day and wondered if she will need to carry her "papers" with her whenever she leaves the house in the event she needs to take a piss while out in public. It's a stupid thing to be fighting over.
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4. Why did Russians hacked the election? There is no proof about russians being the hackers. Plus, nobody typed what Hillary sent on her e-mails. She was crooked alll the time. Not because of the russians.
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The theory is that Putin wanted Trump over Hillary because he felt Trump would would take a softer stance against Russia than Hillary. Hillary would have kept the hardline approach up. Trump has shown that if you say nice things about him he will be your friend. The idea is that Putin feels he can better manipulate Trump so the hackers set out to help him win the election.
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So what are so far the logical arguments against him?
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That's all I have for now. I don't necessarily believe all of these things, just trying to answer your questions based on things I have read and heard from friends and some of my own thoughts.
P.S. Sorry for the long ass post.
