USA population = 12,519,000,000
 

usa has just over 39 times the land mass of the UK

uk population = 65m

39 x 65m = 12,519,000,000

have that many people in your place and then tell people from the UK they are 'racists' and 'xenophobes' for not wanting uncontrolled immigration and rising infrastructure dependence :thumbsup

ps fuck merkel

Murkel looks just like my grandmother. That filthy pig fucking bitch is dead, thankfully, but who knows how long murkel might be around :(

Being anti-mass migration is about skills, jobs and standards of living. It has nothing to do with race.

No one wants to throw out a foreign doctor, they do want to get rid of foreign hospital porters.

1. Not sure I colonized anyone tbh. At least not that I can remember.

2. It has nothing to do with just the notion of immigration per se (I realise there are plenty of people who ARE against all immigration, but those people didn't create the OP), and everything to do with wanting to restrict burdens on infrastructure... I couldn't give a fuck if they are from the EU, or the USA, or Canada, or if they are Aussies, or anywhere where we share almost the same cultural values, nor whether they are black, brown, yellow, white, or anything in between.

3. I personally don't give that much of a fuck as I'll be doing exactly the same within the next 6 - 8 years and moving somewhere a) warmer b) less infrastructure toll - it's more about dumb name-calling, and irrelevant memes like the one you just posted :winkwink:

4. Taking your irrelevant meme and running with it - what my possible ancestors did in another country created an infrastructure in times gone past, not placed an ever-increasing burden on an existing one today, here, and now. Do I agree with everything the UK did in times gone past? Nope, but you may as well bring up the crusades (wait, pretty sure you already did before now) as if it has relevance to our generation/population increase.

Conclusion: close but no cigar, please try again :thumbsup

generations of wealth were stolen from the colonies by the UK and you feel the benefits directly or indirectly...

but then again, if all western nations were forced to pay realistic reparations to the countries they exploited, the west would be the 3rd world and the 3rd world would be the new west :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

enjoy the warm sun where ever you move :thumbsup

yep, shitty, but meh, my family was probably serdom or some other downtrodden class, tough shit on me tbh.

nah.

ty :thumbsup

The UK created it's own baggage from the British Empire days. Every nation has legacy issues. They may not be your personal fault Jel. My legacy burden is the near genocide of the Native Americans --however-- I or my family forefathers (3/4) are not directly responsible. The first arrivals to the USA were in 1878 -- yet I do feel some remorse as a US citizen and bear the burden and bad Karma to some extent (collectivity).

crucifissio -- Serbia is not getting any direct war reparations -- deal with it. Should have thought about that when your countrymen were killing the people that you hate.

If you don't want unskilled immigrants or need lower skilled immigrants -- don't allow them in -- that should be your national prerogative. However, don't blame immigrants for your own failures.

As far as the land space and population density of the USA -- why do you think we came here?

Agreed

Agreed

Agreed.

Not sure you got the point of the OP though... (some) americans on this board, who shall remain nameless, telling a high density country that they must be racist/xenophobic if they don't agree with uncontrolled immigration. And creating strawman arguments like 'alt-right say it's all the brown people's fault', and 'don't blame immigrants for personal failings' (btw I agree again - those failures would be failures regardless of where they lived, and how much they were spoon-fed... those people are idiots, and have precisely zero to do with this thread).

Most people on this board are hobbyists, who (the UK ones, can't speak for other EU peeps ofc) see a heavy load on infrastructure but can't eg pay to line-jump at the GP/hospital - no slight to them, that's the case for almost all so-called 'middle-class' workers, and certainly all 'working-class' workers. What's funny to me is the highbrows treating those people with disdain, and dismissing their legit concerns as 'racist' and 'xenophobic', then wondering why there's such a push-back. Even moreso when they happen to come from somewhere where to get a real feeling of the issues, their population would need to sit at 12bn+

You of course can't blame mass immigration for everything, or even most things, but you most certainly can blame it for longer hospital waiting times, shortage of housing, amongst other things. Dismissing those real issues as racist/xenophobic/blahblahnamecalling is just such a wtf moment for me I thought I'd ramble on with precisely no outcome at all except the taking up of everyone's time and effort, on here :)

I think it's the TODDI syndrome -- the other dude did it (to me) reasoning.

isnt it amazing how the USA always has somebody to invade? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

one would think your economy depends on the military industrial complex and that war is your main export nowadays...oh well I guess the 5% of the world that is the USA is, somehow, better and more noble than the rest and it just looks like you are klingons at first glance :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

what country are you guys going to "liberate" next? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

(map of US invasions and CIA terrorism since WW2)

ahhh but this is similar with Spain & the UK, there´s many areas, huge amounts of vast space unlived, whether forestry or as in Spain, vine yards, orange & lemon groves.

The cities themselves are similar, packed with people in the US, UK or Spain compared to say Japan or China.

Look at the size of China, but yet the actual city of HongKong´s got more people per square mtr.

oh, and no, don´t fuck Merkel, get rid of Drump :2 cents:

@crucifissio Serbia got their collective ass kicked for good reason. You can hate all you want but that will not change what happened.

What a waste of energy.

The empire on which the sun never sets.

Good times.

Average Weekly Wages

512 British Pound equals
660.22 US Dollar
GDP Deflator 105 Index Points=6287.80

USA
756.80 US Dollar
GDP Deflator 113 Index Points =6697.34

Hong Kong
457.80 US Dollar
GDP Deflator 103 Index Points =4444.66

China
190.80 US Dollar
GDP Deflator 622 Index Points =306.74

source: tradingeconomics.com

In economics, the GDP deflator (implicit price deflator) is a measure of the level of prices of all new, domestically produced, final goods and services in an economy. GDP stands for gross domestic product, the total value of all final goods and services produced within that economy during a specified period.

Not exact to the point but relative to prices and standards of living.

Well this is what happens when you live on an island mate.

And hey there's always Australia. Lots of room down there. :)

I doubt Crucifissio hates Muslims

Yugoslavia was just another case of profitable war and regime change, there was the usual Western smokescreen of dirty tricks and propaganda, be careful not to fall for that. Remember Milosevic was eventually exonerated

https://www.sott.net/article/292941-...tart-to-finish

Then why were *they* killing them -- they smelled funny?

What if: NATO had done nothing -- would the Islamic Jihad had come to Europe -- a lot worse than it is now? WW1 started in Serbia so when you already have a bad reputation.

So the TODDI defense again

Putin will walk away the same way, the same way other heads of state do -- including US Presidents. That's the way shit is. Losers of wars don't usually walk away ...

Ever read 'The Mouse That Roared'?

humans debating which humans treated other humans worse in a thread about not wanting to live around other humans

gotta love our species

The only thing that I would love to see is the expression on your face in case that somehow you manage to get enough education and information at once. That would be priceless, but I know it won't ever happen.

You don't even have a clue about ww1, and not to mention modern history. Terrible. I think that a serious education test needs to be given every time a person go to vote (in every country).

Potiorek’s letter – Testimony of the Austro-Hungarian war intentions | The Andri? Institute

Well, 4 years ago he did when muslims weren't the enemy of the US. Now he's tripping over himself to suck their dicks.

Below is his response to the thread titled: Official Fuck Sharia Law Thread. If you let this happen to even a small area in your country you are a worthless pussy.

Discuss.


^ So 4 years ago he would "beat the living shit" out of the muslims in his country and drive them up to the mountains. Not only that, he would also periodically "visit" said muslims and put an extra beating on them for "shits and giggles."

Well I guess that's a step up from raping and putting 2000 rape babies up in them lol but still, I wouldn't say Crucifissio likes them.

yes here is the good reason:

http://static.politifact.com.s3.amaz...chart_meme.jpg


you guys need war...it is what it is....

Once again, in real military spending values;

source: tradingeconomics.com

United States GDP Deflator 113
Russia GDP Deflator 144
China GDP Deflator 622
India GDP Deflator 125

in millions USD (in real terms)
606232.60 United States
488507.638 Russia
362881.99 China
445045.60 India

The gap narrows when the spending is related to the domestic production costs.

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7...dingDist.0.jpg
https://williamblum.org/images/uploa...ntions_map.png

The purpose of low-skilled migration is to keep down wages and push up house prices.

Meanwhile in Germany:


A knife-wielding attacker from Afghanistan has captured and lethally injured a 5-year-old boy and wounded his Russian mother in the Bavarian municipality of Arnschwang. The carnage unfolded in the migrant shelter on Saturday afternoon, police report.

https://www.rt.com/news/390757-russi...grant-bavaria/

traitor Blair
traitor Merkel

thread devolved into that almost immediately, but was not about that :thumbsup

Let me try to give another example, as not sure anyone who has replied gets my point:

I (anyone) live in a 1 bedroom house (has some other rooms in it, we'll call them parks and forests)
1 - 2 people live there comfortably
3 -6 people can live there at a push
7 - 15 people can live there if necessary... call it 20 people if you start using other rooms as sleeping quarters

Stick 39 people in it and see how it pans out with regards to simple stuff like kitchen and bathroom use. Or 78 people in a 2 bedroom house

Or 39 times the people in any area of land compared to 1 person in another equal sized area of land, but then also tell those other people they are whatever-ist for not wanting to keep upping their number of people sharing that same space and infrastructure.

Race, religion (even though I despise it), gender, height, age, odor, haircut, tit size, or whatever else you can think of... none of that is even a factor, simple logistics is. Express concern though about logistics, and suddenly you are a racist, xenophobe, sexist, or whatever other buzz-insult there is, with a dash of assumptions like 'that won't solve terrorism', or 'that won't solve idiots not being able to get a job', and so forth.

When science talks about future colonies in space because of Earth overcrowding it's exciting, when someone says 'wtf there are a fuckton of people in this one space' it's 'racist'.

Perfect example really of how the word (along with many other words) have lost true meaning through misuse and mis-labelling. <--- Down to the constant cycle of divisiveness created by population growth, amongst other reasons?

So what you're really looking for is what Hitler called it and used as justification for invading Poland. Got it. :thumbsup

Lebensraum!!
(elbow room)

(Just kidding Mate - I actually get what you are saying.)

Well, IDK ... My paternal grandfather arrived in America at the age of 10 in 1911 from Czarist Russia. He slept on this cousin's floor in a New York City tenement with other newly arrived relatives.

But there was future space -- in Forest Hills, Queens NYC and a summer home in North Miami Beach then a retirement home on 9 lots on Biscaya Island, Surfside, Florida.

There is space left in the USA and many other places on this planet. From what I have seen the population density in many places is extreme. But people create these densities for commercial reasons -- then have to live in the messes they make.

Yep very good point, though the people doing the creating aren't usually the ones living in any mess :)

It's also about money. Every migrant with skills lower than a nurse or programmer is a drain on the economy. They take jobs from the natives of that country, lower wages, create no new economy while driving up the need for the government to fund them or the people they have put out of a job.

The average cost of a house/flat anywhere where there are jobs is $300,000. housing 6 people that's $50,000 per person before they find a job and start "contributing".

Long term ethnic minorities will be the worse at contributing.

http://www.poverty.org.uk/47/b.png

Unemployment by ethnic background - Commons Library briefing - UK Parliament

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ten-unemployed

UK: low pay by ethnicity - The Poverty Site

http://www.poverty.org.uk/55/a.png

Low-paid employees by ethnicity | Poverty Indicators | London's Poverty Report

This is what happens when there's an oversupply of any resource, prices plummet.

But all the politicians can say is it's about racism. Seems to me that if you have a problem, the worse you can do is pile on more pressure.

57% military budget? You need army to rule around the world

Why ?

Are you going to do it ?

Why what?

Am I going to do what?

Please try making asense.

Loose immigration policies + ease of living on the dole = whose fault is that?

yeah, I know :)

and when the Muslim-bashing is left out I don't think it's an inherently negative thing to talk about how societies need to change to adapt to changes in migration patterns. it's actually vital.


in looking at population density and immigration it makes more sense to look at smaller geographic areas though, specifically urban centers. the reasons being that a) looking at an entire nation can skew stats (eg, Canada has a low population density overall but it's higher in cities where most people live) and b) most immigrants tend to settle at least initially in more urban areas

when looking at some of the most livable cities in the world (Vienna, Zurich, Toronto, Vancouver and Tokyo for example), the population density is higher than many urban centers in the UK. y'all have some room to grow still =)

along with that needs to come infrastructure to support population growth as well as effective settlement services, but if done right high density centers can be environmentally friendly places that peeps actually want to live


for most peeps though I don't think the concern is population growth. it's the 'other' invading a space they perceive to be their own

it's interesting the back and forth above about who's the worst. none of us are responsible for the past but we do have to acknowledge that we (and our economic foundations as pointed out above) are products of history. those of us who have benefited from the legacies of oppression (colonialism, slavery, etc) and the vast transfers of wealth that occurred therein can at least own that. it doesn't cost anything or make anyone guilty of anything, rather simply a matter of recognizing a value-neutral fact.

from there it would be cool if we all started thinking about how we've been left to deal with the messes made by our ancestors on all sides. maybe instead of continuing to pass down the same shit we could start fixing it. welcoming and supporting people fleeing a nightmare might be a good start

That is not necessarily true. If you live in Trump Towers in NYC you still live in the mess of NYC -- just at the *top of the pile* (<or stink heap>) < depends on your POV ...

There are no reparations for conquered nations. That has never happened. That is some pretty entitled way of thinking.

yes this is why small nations need to develop nukes and/or bacteria...why should invading thugs feel safe? no reason for that at all :thumbsup

Politicians and big business. One side wants to be nice to everyone, the other want lower wages.

What is so important about mass migration that people need to change?

Mass migration has been dumped on people by politicians who either are bribed by big business or a liberal middle-class attitude that has little chance of being made poorer by mass migration.

Small nations are well equipped to make wars amongst themselves. Serbia had no problems invading Bosnia. Your view of the world is very distorted or blind.

paul your alzheimer is advancing...serbia never took part in the bosnian war at all, not one single soldier was mobilized from serbia...here are some links for you:

alzheimers_disease_treatments

dementia-treatment-overview#1

the pill that cures stupidity

That's the thing with small nations. When they are quiet they are able to take small steps and achieve what they want. When they act up they get stomped by a larger nation, no matter whats in their sling shot... be careful what you wish for.

I am not wishing for it...it is pure logic...the US """""""""""""""""""""""""""""'defense""""""""""""" """""""""""" budget is too big to fail and growing...technology is advancing...the USA will not/can not stop...it is only a matter of time before nukes/bacteria become widespread among small nations...

just one country has to make it and start selling it...n.korea for example...or china and russia getting in on the action...enjoy the bullying while you can :thumbsup

Won't help you a bit. You will find ways to surrender on day 2 of Serbia-Andora war.

As soon as we find out you bought one, your village will be leveled to the ground and you will be starting from scratch. Perhaps its the right solution against never-learning pests. You know who Im talking about, homeboy.. Stay in yo lane!!! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

only an idiot would wipe out a country that has bacteria...an ampoule of "life off on earth" is too easy to carry over any boarder in to any random country and some sleeper agent is not going to be too happy you just murdered off his entire family...

I do not wish for this, but it is common sense that we are going in this direction...I do not see the whole world bending over to the USA for long...also, invaders do not deserve a fair fight :2 cents: