Poland President Vetos Bill that would have dissolved their supreme court
 

That was close. Fascists like Nico-T Mineistaken are shedding Nazi tears right now

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Poland's President Decides To Veto Controversial Judicial Reform Bills | HuffPost

In a surprise move, Polish President Andzrej Duda said Monday he was vetoing two judicial reform laws that cleared the nation?s Parliament Saturday that would have allowed the ruling Law and Justice Party (PiS) to consolidate power over the judicial system.

?I have decided to send back to Parliament ― in which case to veto ― the law on the Supreme Court, as well as the law on the National Council of the Judiciary,? Duda said in a news conference.

The proposed laws ?would not strengthen the sense of justice in society,? he said, claiming they would instead amount to appropriation of the courts. ?These laws must be amended.?

The legislation would have allowed the PiS to force the resignation of all of Poland?s Supreme Court justices and appoint its own members, as well as increase the party?s power over personnel decisions by the judiciary council.

Duda was widely expected to approve the bills, given that he hasn?t strayed far from the PiS? populist, nationalist policies since he won the presidency as its candidate in 2015. He oversaw the passing of a law in late 2015 that hampered the country?s system of checks and balances.

An American pretending to be Polish.
Or whatever line would be appropriate for bladewire's inventing style :1orglaugh

As for me shredding tears - I have not much idea how this would help nationalism. Seems like parliament wanting more control over judges, where is the nationalist element, specimen?

Also - can't parliament overturn the veto?

You love nationalist dictators. Removing one of 3 powers brings him one step closer to being a dictator. Perhaps a dictator in Poland is too close for your comfort Slovakian? :1orglaugh

You forget that parliament elections happens every few years. So they may lose that power over judges after next election.
Basically this would be ANY (that is elected at that time) parliament power over judges.

As for comfort - there is actual "dictator" in Europe, in Belarus. Does not seem to bother anyone much, so Polish "dictator" would be ok as well.

By the way previous and legendary "dictator" in Singapore was the one who made Singapore great again.

If the direction is right, "dictatorship" is often way faster and better than all talk no action democracy.

That being said - nothing like that applies to Poland.

You sure do love Poland ;) You live dictators too, you're truly torn with this one :1orglaugh

In your invented fantasy world.

Thanks to trump the right wing in Europe is loosing badly...

Poland is in the EU and will stay in the EU. so the local judges haven't the ultimate power. The same as the politicians.

Yes!

Thanks to Trump every right wing movement around the world has failed.

America suffers for the world, yet again

Poland is a country where most of the population is biased center or right, but almost all of the of the media is foreign owned and is biased left. They and the whole opposition is hellbent on making another majdan in {oland. The protests weren't even that big and most people don't give a fuck about it.

The Polish gov't wanted to make the appointment of supreme court judges done by the gov't, so the german-owned media starts this slander campaign that there's as assassination on democracy in Poland. The irony? It's done exactly the same way in Germany.

About a year ago same shit. The media in poland is like 90% owned by Foreign companies (mostly german). The gov't wanted to make a law that no more then 49% of a media company can be foreign owned. Again - all the tv stations and news sites up in arms. "Attack on freedom of the press!" they'd shout. The irony? Germany has such a law.

It's basically foreign owned media vs the polish gov't because they won't follow the narrative and are trying to gain more independance. We don't have a balance like in the US where you have CNN on one end and say Fox News on the other end - It's basically all leftist, non-stop anti-government and the occasional pro-"refugee" stories with a few small independant right-leaning news sites in the mix.

A dictatorship is NOT "independence"

Germany and other Europen countries have the same court rules

but mainstream media wont tell you about this

Polish rules were to be modeled on German
our courts are very corrupted, and judges are like kings, they can print every judgement
and people cant do anything

but besides this
this is not about court rules,, this is about many many other thins, like immigrants, like corporate taxes, like Intermarium https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermarium
like remove by government domination of foreign capital in media

etc etc

Germany will loose billions of this, thats why they finance opposition
sad to say but our president rubbed in his pants

only 30% of Poles wanted this veto
president loose on this, this was so stupid

How is it a dictatorship? They were elected into power by the people DESPITE the *huge* media campaign against them. That in itself proves exactly how much the opposition (that is funded by Germany) fucked up with all their scandals and corruption.

They are a normal, democratically elected government that has enough support that they have a majority in parliament and not a dictatorship despite what some media would have you believe. Everything here is normal. Seriously, they won an election - it wasn't some coup de etat with tanks. *MANY* people support them and no one here is oppressed. They are the first gov't that is looking out for Poland's interests instead of taking orders from Germany.

The only dictatorship here is the EU, and they're butthurt that we're not falling in line.

If the EU doesn't sort out the mess it has gotten Europe into. The Right Wing will rise up.

Or there will be more attacks, more unemployment, lower wages for the working classes and more austerity.

The media, in general, is owned by big business. Don't be fooled into thinking the owners are socialists, far from it.

Exactly and the EU is a dictatorship.

EU interfering in Polish democracy

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as if germans would give an extra shit about poland - you guys really don't need to feel so special

but if you don't see how that potato orchestrates you in fear of immigrants (which do not exist in poland) to agree to basically change everything in favor to his party, then you are blind as fuck

enjoy

Damn, you are delusional. And he does not mean everyday German people, he means the big players, government etc. They care and very very much about keeping their influence, be it Poland, be it anywhere in Europe.

Don't bother with mental specimen. You laid out a detailed explanation, he just farts some random nonsense in response. That is what he does, live sin an alternative fantasy world, invents random things that are opposite from reality.

Obviously some random german citizen doesn't give a fuck about Poland any more then I give a fuck about the specific inner workings of Germany that have no effect on me, but businesses and the DE gov't definately seem to be very interested. Pretty much every largest tv station, newspaper and news website is in the hands of german capital. If they weren't interested, then they wouldn't have spent billions buying up most media in poland.

https://translate.google.com/transla...%2F&edit-text=

A sovereign poland is very bad for many companies, and big companies do hold political sway. Poland is losing a ton of money due to capital flight - all these companies aren't paying taxes in PL at all, profits are all being transferred out of the country. The current gov't is trying to tighten that up whereas the previous government was just following instructions. Hell, they were claiming coal mines weren't worth running, selling them for pocket change to foreign investors, and suddenly these same coal mines are making money hand over fist. They did the same shit with land. Public land and forests being sold for fucking pocket change to foreign investors - now there's laws against it. Or even why was the labour market in Germany opened up to polish nationals? It's not so we live better here - it's so they could suck up skilled workers.

There's almost 40 million people here, that's almost half the population of germany - a very big market and alot of money to be made.

If germany were about to ban porn, and I had influence I would use it to try to stop that because it would be against my interests. The same thing here is happening with german companies. Media companies have investors, these investors own other companies, they don't like the way something is going so they push their agenda.

Dude I see you are polish, I'm polish too, I have a simply question - why you lie?

Being honest I never saw so many ultra christian and pro-right party supporters in the porn money business forum.

Explain the benefits of the EUs policy on migration, including Merkel's inviting millions of non-EU citizens into the EU?

What exactly did I lie about?

Why is EU the fighting every attempt for other countries to get a referendum? They fear they will lose.

We have probably well over a million Ukrainian migrants here, but I assume you are referring to the African migrants. Logic dictates that if those migrants were in fact skilled workers/doctors/specialists etc , then the countries that they are headed to would want to keep them for themselves rather then coming up with relocation schemes. Poland is financially benefiting from UA migration and isn't trying to relocate them to western europe... :2 cents:

Bullish about lands and forest - look what right now do a MP Szyszko with a wood - without any control straight to sawmill.

about land - with land? I remember this yell " The Germans will redeem our land" wait no Germans NAZI GERMANS, and whats happen?

Najwięcej polskiej ziemi w 2016 r. nabyli Niemcy i Holendrzy - Temat dnia - Forsal.pl – Biznes, Gospodarka, Świat

In 2016 foreigners (all nations german, france, us, spain an even from faroe islands) bought 3,2 ha ( 3.2 ha will be 32 square kilometers) 32 square kilometers is a 12.5 Square mile - bet me how many square yards it is?

12.5 square mile land in 2016 - by ALL foreigners investors - IS A FUCKING INVASION !!!

fucking 12.5 mile land, Fucking alien invasion, German fascists destroying Poland by 12.5 mile land - fucking God help us. Nobody care about land in Poland, people prefer buy a land in sunny Spain or Italy.

End of story from me - wasting a time

To be clear about fucking land

"Land purchased in Poland by foreigners"

460 hektarów ziemi nabyli w Polsce cudzoziemcy - głównie Holendrzy i Niemcy - w 2015 roku; to ponad dwa razy mniej niż rok wcześniej, kiedy sprzedano im 1000 ha ziemi

460 hectares of land were purchased by foreigners - mainly the Dutch and Germans - in 2015; That's more than two times less than a year ago when they sold 1,000 ha of land

2016 - 3200 square km
2015 460 square km
2014 1000 square km

As you see guys last 3 years is a fucking invasion :))) fucking end of story deff.

Yes now try looking for before that when PO was in power. The numbers are much larger, and also don't forget that we're talking not just about foreign owners but companies in poland that are owned by foreign capital, and we're not talking about some german guy buying a 1000m2 lot in some village near the german border. For instance Ikea Polska is still swedish capital but now it's a polish company. It's enough someone starts an SPZOO here and suddenly it's a polish company buying the land and they don't need any special permissions.

Anyways there is no sense arguing - you think you are right, I think I am right. Nie jestem za PISem, nie mowię że to jest inwazja, ale sugeruje że poprzedni rżąd dbał wiecej o interesowach zagranicznych firm niż o naszych.

I give you numbers from 2016,15,14 - do you see PO power? With year? look for numbers from 2008 :

Z rejestrów MSWiA wynika ponadto, że w 2008 r. w ręce cudzoziemców trafiło w sumie 3,5 ha gruntów

AGAIN FUCKING 3500 square km in 2008
ARE SIMILAR - between 1999 and 2012 was around 42000 sq km bought by foreigners

[QUOTE=k0nr4d;21910735 and also don't forget that we're talking not just about foreign owners but companies in poland that are owned by foreign capital[/QUOTE]

In germany there are no foreign companies? No foreign companies in Norway, Spain, Japan and Canada? Only in Poland we have a bad foreign companies?

Look - fucking ORLEN is a Polish company and also have branch in Gemany called a "ORLEN Deutschland GmbH" Impossible?? - polish company in germany. How do you call a Polish company in germany? German or Polish? how you call Swedish company in Poland?

There are over 200 countries in the world and Poland is one of them. Poland is not a king, it is the same country as the rest - what are you looking for?

In Poland, foreign companies operate
In Germany, foreign companies operate
In Chile, foreign companies operate
In fucking Senegal, Panama, Belize, New Zealand and China FOREIGN COMPANIES OPERATE too! Poland is not one and only!

Zadaniem każdej jebanego rządu jest ściągnięcie do kraju zagranicznych inwestorów ze swoimi technologiami i produktami inaczej będziemy w ciemnej dupie. Popatrz się na Waszą firmę dlaczego macie stronę po angielsku i ścigacie zagranicznych klientów a nie krajowych? sorry ekonomia nie boli.

p.s "rżąd dbał wiecej o interesowach zagranicznych firm niż o naszych." - no to ja nie widzę problemu zadbajcie o mnie - 80% zniżki dla Polaka niż dbanie o zagraniczny interes :) (widzisz jak to działa) :)

Szyszko did very good thing!
if you have trees on your own property you should do what you want with it!

but you don't think yourself and take propaganda as own viev

you are second here, who dont live in poland, because you are probably too stupid to live very well in poland
and you just complaint about poland and blame everything which polish becaue of your own fails

buy property in poland, buy house, live here and then speak about poland!
until you do that, speak about scotland in scotland forum!

Yeap - is a good idea buy land and property and next year cut all 60/70 years old trees

And even it. you don't have idea what I said about Szyszko.

You are probably to stupid to use a brain - do you know me? do you know where i stay? do you know what I do? no - so take you mouth straight to acid and drink full glass.

are you mental?


Lol - who tell you I don't have a property in Poland? you fucking brain? who tell you I don't live in Poland - your fucking brain? You have a mental problem - you can fix it very quickly - a suicide.

oh yeah, your mummy has property in poland, right? :)

everyone who have own plot in poland, own house with own trees was pro szyszko regulation

big trees was not and are not free to cut! after or before szyszko regulation!

what you saw on tv was illegal tree felling, not connected to szyszko's regulations
and you are so stupid to catch this

Is not your fucking business where I live, what I do - you are jealous? well done BE!!!
Play with dickhead and first think will be always silly touching about family" No arguments - always is a mother! go to hell!

To be clear - do you know the rules? I don't think so.

unfortunately - my opinion was about trees in the forest, not in on the private property. You do not even know what you are talking about.

And now please: grow up

A dictatorship takes control of a country by weakening each arm of government then disbanding them one by one until one man is left with total power.

When a dictatorship begins, and is done right, the majority of citizens don't realize control is being taken from the government of the people and given to hand picked oligarchs chosen by the dictator. You see this in Russia.

In Turkey it was done very sloppy same in Syria. The Philippines is on the edge of dictatorship.

The EU is not a dictatorship as there is not one man calling the shots and oligarchs chosen by that man to control regions.

Welcome to GFY Polish edition:2 cents: :thumbsup

No, what you are referring to is called an autocracy. The EU is an authoritarian oligarchy/"group dictatorship". Kaczynski will never be a dictator, he knows he's not well liked which is why he didn't run for any office himself.

Oligarchs are annointed by dictators not voted in by election, or am I wrong?

Dude! I ask you again, why are you lying? The truth is obvious - Kaczynski run for presidential election in 2010 with he get 47.0%. There is no reason to lie: "he didn't run for any office himself."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish...election,_2010

Maybe you are losing something in translation - you have a different opinion on something does not mean i'm lieing :thumbsup He put up szydło for candidate because alot of people do not like him and he felt that was better chance. I never said he "never ran" for president, I was referring to this most recent election.

I would say they anoint themselves. What's your view on Putin? Is he a dictator? He was voted in (or possible "voted in", who knows).

Nobody know It - maybe Szydlo was only a shield like Marcinkiewicz in 2005. For sure Gowin was a shield for Macierewicz!

The biggest polish party PIS has official 40% public support
not official (always underestimated) 50%

in group of young people 18-24 - 80% (yes 80%)

so everyone who complaining about our government, or suggest its dictatorship
shut the fuck up
they have strong social democratic mandate

last street and foreign protests, president veto do not change anything, or even more
Ruling party party is stronger and stronger

You terribly wrong. EU is an oligarchy ruled by Germany through Commissioner Junker. European Commission is not elected by the people, but nominated by each country and its members are named "commissioners" (such resemblance to soviet commissars, don't you think?).

As far as I know, US constitution starts with "We the people". You said until now that Hillary won popular votes, but in this case, PiS won popular votes (the people voted for that party), still you accuse them of dictatorship.

All countries from Eastern Europe (Poland, Romania, Baltic States) are committed to support its main ally, United States (whatever president had or has). EU leaders (read Merkel and Junker), on contrary, they want to sell again the Eastern Europe countries to their big neighbor (CCCP) for cheap gas, oil and a market where to sell their products.

culture enrichment :1orglaugh