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crockett 01-29-2018 07:55 AM

Trump wants to "nationalize" 5g networks and charge Truckers tolls on interstates
 
In the name of saving the children or protecting us from China.. Trump wants to go Hugo Chavez and "nationalize" 5g networks.. How he intends to do it is beyond anyone with a brain, but he says he wants to do it before the next presidential election.

No idea why... but sure there is a money grab in it somewhere for him..

Then there are the roads and bridges.. Trump's grand plan to pay for roads and bridges, is to allow states to place tolls on interstate highways and charge Truckers even more than they already pay. This is stealth tax on everyone, because pretty much anything you buy gets shipped on a truck. Charge truck drivers more then it gets passed on to consumers..

I will sit back and wait for reasons this is a good idea from same people who said raising wages would drive hamburger prices up.. BTW it was Reagan who 1st taxed Truckers to pay for roads back in the 80s and they been paying for roads all these years with extra fuel taxes, but govt spends that money elsewhere so now Trump wants to charge them more...

Grapesoda 01-29-2018 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22185189)
In the name of saving the children or protecting us from China.. Trump wants to go Hugo Chavez and "nationalize" 5g networks.. How he intends to do it is beyond anyone with a brain, but he says he wants to do it before the next presidential election.

No idea why... but sure there is a money grab in it somewhere for him..

Then there are the roads and bridges.. Trump's grand plan to pay for roads and bridges, is to allow states to place tolls on interstate highways and charge Truckers even more than they already pay. This is stealth tax on everyone, because pretty much anything you buy gets shipped on a truck. Charge truck drivers more then it gets passed on to consumers..

I will sit back and wait for reasons this is a good idea from same people who said raising wages would drive hamburger prices up.. BTW it was Reagan who 1st taxed Truckers to pay for roads back in the 80s and they been paying for roads all these years with extra fuel taxes, but govt spends that money elsewhere so now Trump wants to charge them more...

sounds like an obama plan to me :2 cents:

tony286 01-29-2018 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 22185197)
sounds like an obama plan to me :2 cents:

Obama isnt the president now, got to find a new bogey man

https://www.cnet.com/news/trump-offi...ed-5g-network/

Rochard 01-29-2018 08:27 AM

Now we are moving into the desperation phase of this administration... Chump (no typo) wants to move onto a infrastructure plan, but he just basically reduced everyone's taxes so they have no money to spend.

onwebcam 01-29-2018 08:30 AM

The interstate toll deal has been a plan for many years. They want to privatize the interstates and charge tolls. It was part of the plan when they started pushing to allow Mexican truckers into/through the US. The main interstate arteries would be privatized and expanded upon that way.

Pence is the man behind this right now.. When you cross over the bridge from Indiana to Louisville KY on I65 you will see a bunch of toll signs but no actual toll booths. The last time I came through which I do pretty often I figured they haven't finished up and haven't set the toll booths up yet so I kept on rolling. About a month later I get a bill in the mail. So it's 100% unmanned tolls via pictures. The toll is for the bridge to cross the river on 65 only.. If you want to bypass the toll/cross the river another way expect about a 10 minute detour.. I think the bill was for about $7-$8 to cross the bridge... At least via mail/ransom anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privat..._United_States
Trump's Infrastructure Plan Is Actually Pence's—And It's All About Privatization

Oh and BTW it's actually similar to the UN Agenda 21 plan with National Parks. It might even actually be Agenda 21. I think it was for sure part if NAFTA though. But in any case that's where foreign entities generally are the recipients of the contracts. Most of our National Parks now contracted by foreign entities/trusts. They collect all the fees and supposedly use the fees to maintain. The trusts are usually some World leader Btw.

Simply put, it isn't Trumps idea, it's been in the works for many years.. There's already a big nice costly bridge built as proof it has.. Actually back in the day most bridges were built by companies/individuals. The bridge down the street from me was built by Dupont. Eads Bridge in STL was built by Andrew Carnegie. Just a few examples.

Acepimp 01-29-2018 10:13 AM

I've never put anyone on 'Ignore.'

Congratulations, Crockette, you're a strong contender for my ignore list :1orglaugh

:pimp

Bladewire 01-29-2018 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22185217)
The interstate toll deal has been a plan for many years. They want to privatize the interstates and charge tolls. It was part of the plan when they started pushing to allow Mexican truckers into/through the US. The main interstate arteries would be privatized and expanded upon that way.

Pence is the man behind this right now.. When you cross over the bridge from Indiana to Louisville KY on I65 you will see a bunch of toll signs but no actual toll booths. The last time I came through which I do pretty often I figured they haven't finished up and haven't set the toll booths up yet so I kept on rolling. About a month later I get a bill in the mail. So it's 100% unmanned tolls via pictures. The toll is for the bridge to cross the river on 65 only.. If you want to bypass the toll/cross the river another way expect about a 10 minute detour.. I think the bill was for about $7-$8 to cross the bridge... At least via mail/ransom anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privat..._United_States
Trump's Infrastructure Plan Is Actually Pence's?And It's All About Privatization

Oh and BTW it's actually similar to the UN Agenda 21 plan with National Parks. It might even actually be Agenda 21. I think it was for sure part if NAFTA though. But in any case that's where foreign entities generally are the recipients of the contracts. Most of our National Parks now contracted by foreign entities/trusts. They collect all the fees and supposedly use the fees to maintain. The trusts are usually some World leader Btw.

Simply put, it isn't Trumps idea, it's been in the works for many years.. There's already a big nice costly bridge built as proof it has.. Actually back in the day most bridges were built by companies/individuals. The bridge down the street from me was built by Dupont. Eads Bridge in STL was built by Andrew Carnegie. Just a few examples.

Typical Trump cocksucker and ass rimmer deflecting and blaming someone else.

When the economy collapses again Onwebcam will blame anyone but Trump who deactivated Dodd Frank and other consumer financial regulations & protections.

Rochard 01-29-2018 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22185217)
The interstate toll deal has been a plan for many years. They want to privatize the interstates and charge tolls. It was part of the plan when they started pushing to allow Mexican truckers into/through the US. The main interstate arteries would be privatized and expanded upon that way.

Pence is the man behind this right now.. When you cross over the bridge from Indiana to Louisville KY on I65 you will see a bunch of toll signs but no actual toll booths. The last time I came through which I do pretty often I figured they haven't finished up and haven't set the toll booths up yet so I kept on rolling. About a month later I get a bill in the mail. So it's 100% unmanned tolls via pictures. The toll is for the bridge to cross the river on 65 only.. If you want to bypass the toll/cross the river another way expect about a 10 minute detour.. I think the bill was for about $7-$8 to cross the bridge... At least via mail/ransom anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privat..._United_States
Trump's Infrastructure Plan Is Actually Pence's?And It's All About Privatization

Oh and BTW it's actually similar to the UN Agenda 21 plan with National Parks. It might even actually be Agenda 21. I think it was for sure part if NAFTA though. But in any case that's where foreign entities generally are the recipients of the contracts. Most of our National Parks now contracted by foreign entities/trusts. They collect all the fees and supposedly use the fees to maintain. The trusts are usually some World leader Btw.

Simply put, it isn't Trumps idea, it's been in the works for many years.. There's already a big nice costly bridge built as proof it has.. Actually back in the day most bridges were built by companies/individuals. The bridge down the street from me was built by Dupont. Eads Bridge in STL was built by Andrew Carnegie. Just a few examples.

Bullshit.

The planning, funding, building, and maintaining of freeways is a state function, not a federal one. Outside of funding some freeway projects the federal government has little to do with any of freeway infrastructure. In the case of Pence he was a former governor which is why he was involved in toll roads. Pence might have brought this idea to the White House, but it's Trump who is applying a state model to the federal government.

It's bullshit all around. I live in California. We pay out the ass for our roads. Not only do pay for our car registration (hundreds of dollars a year), but also a state gas tax that just went up with the new year. We make the gas here in California and we pay more than any other state because of our taxes - including Hawaii. (US Average Gas Prices by State - GasBuddy.com). Now you are telling me they want us to pay yet MORE to drive on our freeways? Fuck that.

This is Trump's infrastructure plan. He just increased our deficit by ten trillion dollars while reducing our taxes, and now he needs to pay for it. Trump is trying to apply a state toll road model to pay for federal funds that he doesn't have money to pay for.

Grapesoda 01-29-2018 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 22185209)
Obama isnt the president now, got to find a new bogey man

https://www.cnet.com/news/trump-offi...ed-5g-network/

just because I don't buy the red pill form the Dems doesn't mean I don't know the fucking date? fair enough? now, that bullshit sounds EXCATLY like an OBAMA plan :2 cents:

_Richard_ 01-29-2018 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22185217)
The interstate toll deal has been a plan for many years. They want to privatize the interstates and charge tolls. It was part of the plan when they started pushing to allow Mexican truckers into/through the US. The main interstate arteries would be privatized and expanded upon that way.

Pence is the man behind this right now.. When you cross over the bridge from Indiana to Louisville KY on I65 you will see a bunch of toll signs but no actual toll booths. The last time I came through which I do pretty often I figured they haven't finished up and haven't set the toll booths up yet so I kept on rolling. About a month later I get a bill in the mail. So it's 100% unmanned tolls via pictures. The toll is for the bridge to cross the river on 65 only.. If you want to bypass the toll/cross the river another way expect about a 10 minute detour.. I think the bill was for about $7-$8 to cross the bridge... At least via mail/ransom anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privat..._United_States
Trump's Infrastructure Plan Is Actually Pence's?And It's All About Privatization

Oh and BTW it's actually similar to the UN Agenda 21 plan with National Parks. It might even actually be Agenda 21. I think it was for sure part if NAFTA though. But in any case that's where foreign entities generally are the recipients of the contracts. Most of our National Parks now contracted by foreign entities/trusts. They collect all the fees and supposedly use the fees to maintain. The trusts are usually some World leader Btw.

Simply put, it isn't Trumps idea, it's been in the works for many years.. There's already a big nice costly bridge built as proof it has.. Actually back in the day most bridges were built by companies/individuals. The bridge down the street from me was built by Dupont. Eads Bridge in STL was built by Andrew Carnegie. Just a few examples.

they tried this in vancouver, and there ended up being some bizarre silent multiple city agreement not to use the bridge.. traffic was so messed up they removed the toll within a few years

Grapesoda 01-29-2018 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22185215)
Now we are moving into the desperation phase of this administration... Chump (no typo) wants to move onto a infrastructure plan, but he just basically reduced everyone's taxes so they have no money to spend.

but there is plenty of money to support illegal immigrants and gay rights and black poverty and and and and and and and :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Grapesoda 01-29-2018 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22185403)
Bullshit.

The planning, funding, building, and maintaining of freeways is a state function, not a federal one. Outside of funding some freeway projects the federal government has little to do with any of freeway infrastructure. In the case of Pence he was a former governor which is why he was involved in toll roads. Pence might have brought this idea to the White House, but it's Trump who is applying a state model to the federal government.

It's bullshit all around. I live in California. We pay out the ass for our roads. Not only do pay for our car registration (hundreds of dollars a year), but also a state gas tax that just went up with the new year. We make the gas here in California and we pay more than any other state because of our taxes - including Hawaii. (US Average Gas Prices by State - GasBuddy.com). Now you are telling me they want us to pay yet MORE to drive on our freeways? Fuck that.

This is Trump's infrastructure plan. He just increased our deficit by ten trillion dollars while reducing our taxes, and now he needs to pay for it. Trump is trying to apply a state toll road model to pay for federal funds that he doesn't have money to pay for.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_Trust_Fund

Grapesoda 01-29-2018 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 22185407)
they tried this in vancouver, and there ended up being some bizarre silent multiple city agreement not to use the bridge.. traffic was so messed up they removed the toll within a few years

there are a few toll roads around so-cal.. . no big deal. some inner citys charge a toll to drive down town due to congestion.

PR_Glen 01-29-2018 11:35 AM

You guys can't have it both ways. You all wanted infrastructure upgrades and lower taxes. This is a very simple and common way to do this. It sucks because it will seem like a lot of money but your highway systems are the largest in the world with the most traffic and NEED upgrades and maintenance. Ours are dwarfed by comparison despite them being pretty expansive themselves. We have less tolls but our taxes are much higher, so it all ends up coming out of us either way.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 22185405)
just because I don't buy the red pill form the Dems doesn't mean I don't know the fucking date? fair enough? now, that bullshit sounds EXCATLY like an OBAMA plan :2 cents:

yes, because your vision is clouded by your bias as always, which is horrible... I don't understand how you let your biases run your life the way you do, but in your defense you aren't the only one.

Grapesoda 01-29-2018 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 22185417)
You guys can't have it both ways. You all wanted infrastructure upgrades and lower taxes. This is a very simple and common way to do this. It sucks because it will seem like a lot of money but your highway systems are the largest in the world with the most traffic and NEED upgrades and maintenance. Ours are dwarfed by comparison despite them being pretty expansive themselves. We have less tolls but our taxes are much higher, so it all ends up coming out of us either way.




yes, because your vision is clouded by your bias as always, which is horrible... I don't understand how you let your biases run your life the way you do, but in your defense you aren't the only one.

actually bias is an interesting word. you prefer to bias your outlook on the word of truth from the hillery/Obama ideology, this fine. that's perfectly acceptable.

but to say stupid shit like I don't know that it cost money to repair the hi way? really? you going with that you dumb fuck? gezzz... :2 cents:

crockett 01-29-2018 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22185217)
The interstate toll deal has been a plan for many years. They want to privatize the interstates and charge tolls. It was part of the plan when they started pushing to allow Mexican truckers into/through the US. The main interstate arteries would be privatized and expanded upon that way.

Pence is the man behind this right now.. When you cross over the bridge from Indiana to Louisville KY on I65 you will see a bunch of toll signs but no actual toll booths. The last time I came through which I do pretty often I figured they haven't finished up and haven't set the toll booths up yet so I kept on rolling. About a month later I get a bill in the mail. So it's 100% unmanned tolls via pictures. The toll is for the bridge to cross the river on 65 only.. If you want to bypass the toll/cross the river another way expect about a 10 minute detour.. I think the bill was for about $7-$8 to cross the bridge... At least via mail/ransom anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privat..._United_States
Trump's Infrastructure Plan Is Actually Pence's—And It's All About Privatization

Oh and BTW it's actually similar to the UN Agenda 21 plan with National Parks. It might even actually be Agenda 21. I think it was for sure part if NAFTA though. But in any case that's where foreign entities generally are the recipients of the contracts. Most of our National Parks now contracted by foreign entities/trusts. They collect all the fees and supposedly use the fees to maintain. The trusts are usually some World leader Btw.

Simply put, it isn't Trumps idea, it's been in the works for many years.. There's already a big nice costly bridge built as proof it has.. Actually back in the day most bridges were built by companies/individuals. The bridge down the street from me was built by Dupont. Eads Bridge in STL was built by Andrew Carnegie. Just a few examples.

That's been a Republican wet dream, to sell off our road ways to private groups who would then charge tolls.. Red states have been pushing this and the states that do it, you get fucked over and the roads remain shitty. The companies then complain each year that the tolls aren't high enough and try to get the states to increase the tolls.

The thing is the state let's them charge a toll, but also charge you a billing fee and convenance fee. So that dollar toll turns into $5..

crockett 01-29-2018 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 22185417)
You guys can't have it both ways. You all wanted infrastructure upgrades and lower taxes. This is a very simple and common way to do this. It sucks because it will seem like a lot of money but your highway systems are the largest in the world with the most traffic and NEED upgrades and maintenance. Ours are dwarfed by comparison despite them being pretty expansive themselves. We have less tolls but our taxes are much higher, so it all ends up coming out of us either way.




yes, because your vision is clouded by your bias as always, which is horrible... I don't understand how you let your biases run your life the way you do, but in your defense you aren't the only one.

Dont say "you guys".. we pay taxes for this shit to get fixed. The problem is congress is spending the money on other stuff. Not to mention with no budget for many years ever less money is spent on roads.

Add to this Republicans specifically attacked road fund's under Obama and kept short changing the require money needed.

Republicans are systematically attacking many things by short funding them to try and push their agenda. While they've held power in Congress they've attacked road funding, our national parks, medicare, Obamacare basic science, education and on..and on..

It's like their entire plan is to destroy this country.

Acepimp 01-29-2018 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22185501)
Add to this Republicans specifically attacked road fund's under Obama and kept short changing the require money needed.

Republicans are systematically attacking many things by short funding them to try and push their agenda. While they've held power in Congress they've attacked road funding, our national parks, medicare, Obamacare basic science, education and on..and on..

It's like their entire plan is to destroy this country.

Crockett, in all seriousness... you're hysterical. Always ranting about "the Republicans." When will you realize the controllers want the people divided? You are playing right into their hands.

No, it's not the (R)'s plan to destroy the country. That's insane. No one has "attacked" the things you claim. Obamacare was a fraudulent scheme that was funded by theft, after Congress voted not to fund it. Consider joining us here in reality.

:rasta

Bladewire 01-29-2018 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 22185469)
actually bias is an interesting word. you prefer to bias your outlook on the word of truth from the hillery/Obama ideology, this fine. that's perfectly acceptable.

but to say stupid shit like I don't know that it cost money to repair the hi way? really? you going with that you dumb fuck? gezzz... :2 cents:

Anything trump does, you defend. It's creepy

You don't care about Trump lying about Mexico paying for the wall. Any of the fucked-up shit he's done it's all roses and rainbows for you.

Rochard 01-29-2018 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 22185411)

Exactly. More fuel for the fire. So we are paying both state and federal taxes... And they want to tax us YET AGAIN?

Rochard 01-29-2018 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 22185417)
You guys can't have it both ways. You all wanted infrastructure upgrades and lower taxes. This is a very simple and common way to do this. It sucks because it will seem like a lot of money but your highway systems are the largest in the world with the most traffic and NEED upgrades and maintenance. Ours are dwarfed by comparison despite them being pretty expansive themselves. We have less tolls but our taxes are much higher, so it all ends up coming out of us either way.

yes, because your vision is clouded by your bias as always, which is horrible... I don't understand how you let your biases run your life the way you do, but in your defense you aren't the only one.

Brilliant. They lowered taxes all around, increased the deficit by ten trillion dollars, and now we have nothing left to pay for infastructure. Now Trump want's to spend money on our military too?

Who is going to pay for this? Mexico?

Rochard 01-29-2018 01:42 PM

Not to mention all of this costs a ton of money.... They did a freeway bypass here. The city physically went right through downtown Main street USA.... They had to re-route it around our town... It took forever, and cost $324 million dollars. That's just the beginning. Next they are fixing the interchange between the freeway and Interstate 80.

This is one small freeway. Do the math.

Bladewire 01-29-2018 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22185547)
Exactly. More fuel for the fire. So we are paying both state and federal taxes... And they want to tax us YET AGAIN?

Grapesoda is happy to pay more taxes to the government. Grapesoda is clearly pro tax & pro toll.

2MuchMark 01-29-2018 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Acepimp (Post 22185311)
I've never put anyone on 'Ignore.'

Congratulations, Crockette, you're a strong contender for my ignore list :1orglaugh

:pimp

No, don't do it! Acepimp, Crocket loves you, and I love you. Everyone here loves you. Don't turn your back on love!



For you, buddy.

dillfly2000 01-29-2018 01:59 PM

All I know is "Ajit Pai" hates it. I will automatically opposite anything he hates or likes.

Major (Tom) 01-29-2018 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22185189)
In the name of saving the children or protecting us from China.. Trump wants to go Hugo Chavez and "nationalize" 5g networks.. How he intends to do it is beyond anyone with a brain, but he says he wants to do it before the next presidential election.

No idea why... but sure there is a money grab in it somewhere for him..

Then there are the roads and bridges.. Trump's grand plan to pay for roads and bridges, is to allow states to place tolls on interstate highways and charge Truckers even more than they already pay. This is stealth tax on everyone, because pretty much anything you buy gets shipped on a truck. Charge truck drivers more then it gets passed on to consumers..

I will sit back and wait for reasons this is a good idea from same people who said raising wages would drive hamburger prices up.. BTW it was Reagan who 1st taxed Truckers to pay for roads back in the 80s and they been paying for roads all these years with extra fuel taxes, but govt spends that money elsewhere so now Trump wants to charge them more...

Too many trucks. Move it all by rail.

beerptrol 01-29-2018 02:44 PM

Just get Chump a walkie talkie and tell him it's 5g. Idiot wouldn't know the difference.

crockett 01-29-2018 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 22185579)
Too many trucks. Move it all by rail.

Think about how many trucks you see at a single rest stop along any major highway at night. Now just think there are literally hundreds of thousands of trucks on the road each day across this country..

How many trains do you think it would take to replace the trucks on the road... lol

Hint there isn't enough train tracks...

Grapesoda 01-29-2018 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22185547)
Exactly. More fuel for the fire. So we are paying both state and federal taxes... And they want to tax us YET AGAIN?

nope only the republicans r.. the democrats want to pass out money for everybody for free... like they did with obama care :thumbsup

onwebcam 01-29-2018 09:28 PM

The network wasn't even his idea. It was a "suggestion" by the National Security Counsel . Struck out on both Crockett.. https://www.recode.net/2018/1/29/169...y-council-memo

Bladewire 01-29-2018 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 22185793)
nope only the republicans r.. the democrats want to pass out money for everybody for free... like they did with obama care :thumbsup

People paying for insurance through Obamacare isn't getting a free handout you moron.

Rochard 01-29-2018 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 22185793)
nope only the republicans r.. the democrats want to pass out money for everybody for free... like they did with obama care :thumbsup

Obamacare is passing out money for free? You understand we pay for that, right?

Because, you know, healthcare is bad huh?

JuicyBunny 01-29-2018 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 22185197)
sounds like an obama plan to me :2 cents:

Arizona is already set up for it...under Obama. It might not be a bad idea. Of course it increases the spying on Americans capabilities of states and feds...

California, at least around LA is set up for tv satellite connects embedded in the roadside so people can watch tv while driving. lol.

PornDiscounts-V 01-30-2018 02:31 AM

Makes sense. Truckers, every 1 and 2 Lane in my area is fucked up from trucks.

Internet. Should be handled by defense department.


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