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mce 02-22-2018 03:42 AM

Can deepfake "parodies" be legal?
 
Any ideas on this?

Paul&John 02-22-2018 06:37 AM

reddit didnt liked them

mce 02-22-2018 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul&John (Post 22215643)
reddit didnt liked them

Anybody else?

2MuchMark 02-22-2018 08:06 AM

Of course not.

A parody uses look-alike actors. Deepfake uses copyright images.

CaptainHowdy 02-22-2018 08:36 AM

They're tasteless and weird ....

blackmonsters 02-22-2018 11:07 AM

Anytime you are fucking with somebody you are fucking with them.
That's what I think about; because a new law can be passed just because I fucked with somebody.

:2 cents:

DBS.US 02-22-2018 07:03 PM

https://www.wired.com/story/face-swap-porn-legal-limbo/

Bladewire 02-22-2018 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 22215749)
Of course not.

A parody uses look-alike actors. Deepfake uses copyright images.

^^^ Truth!

EliteWebmaster 02-23-2018 05:16 AM

The fact of the matter is Parody uses trademarked names in the titles like "Justice League XXX", trademarked logo fonts, and often trademarked costumes/clothes, and even the storylines are copyright infringement on the actual movie. Just because it's called "Parody", it's legal? That's bullshit.

So how is Deepfake any different? MIght as well call it Actress "Parody" then and get away with it..

blackmonsters 02-23-2018 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by EliteWebmaster (Post 22217003)
The fact of the matter is Parody uses trademarked names in the titles like "Justice League XXX", trademarked logo fonts, and often trademarked costumes/clothes, and even the storylines are copyright infringement on the actual movie. Just because it's called "Parody", it's legal? That's bullshit.

So how is Deepfake any different? MIght as well call it Actress "Parody" then and get away with it..

But it's always completely obvious that it's not the real people or company in a parody.
Deep fakes' entire purpose is to make you think this is the real person or company.

That's a really big difference that you are overlooking.

Catalyst 02-23-2018 06:49 AM

A lot of people are doing it with stole content.
My releases cover new media and new technology. If I deepfake my own models with my own video, I don't see the legal problem with that.

blackmonsters 02-23-2018 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Catalyst (Post 22217073)
A lot of people are doing it with stole content.
My releases cover new media and new technology. If I deepfake my own models with my own video, I don't see the legal problem with that.

Do you own the video of the celebrity too or is that stolen content?

:helpme

Catalyst 02-23-2018 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 22217135)
Do you own the video of the celebrity too or is that stolen content?

:helpme

When i was doing learn to create them ( doing the training), I did it on videos I shot and photos I have taken.

Nothing stolen. I hate it when my own work gets stolen, that would be fucked up for me to steal other people images.

2MuchMark 02-23-2018 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by EliteWebmaster (Post 22217003)
The fact of the matter is Parody uses trademarked names in the titles like "Justice League XXX", trademarked logo fonts, and often trademarked costumes/clothes, and even the storylines are copyright infringement on the actual movie. Just because it's called "Parody", it's legal? That's bullshit.
.

I completely agree with you.

JFK 02-23-2018 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Catalyst (Post 22217153)
When i was doing learn to create them ( doing the training), I did it on videos I shot and photos I have taken.

Nothing stolen. I hate it when my own work gets stolen, that would be fucked up for me to steal other people images.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:2 cents:

blackmonsters 02-23-2018 08:36 AM

Blah blah blah : Opinion always changes when it's your content or face with shit on it.

:1orglaugh

Catalyst 02-23-2018 08:38 AM

Really it is 2 questions.

are deepfake legal?

are parodies legal?

deepfakes are a tool, like a camera, or a computer. You can use it to break the law or you can use it to do other things..

blackmonsters 02-23-2018 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Catalyst (Post 22217233)
Really it is 2 questions.

are deepfake legal?

are parodies legal?

deepfakes are a tool, like a camera, or a computer. You can use it to break the law or you can use it to do other things..

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Originally Posted by Google
par·o·dy
perədē/Submit
noun
1. an imitation of the style of a particular writer, artist, or genre with deliberate exaggeration for comic effect.

Where is the funny part about deep fakes?

None.

End of story.

blackmonsters 02-23-2018 08:53 AM

Most people really need lawyers to figure out basic shit.

:(

Catalyst 02-23-2018 08:54 AM

Have you seen the nicolas cage deepfakes or the trump deepfakes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On3vPlqcsLo

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 22217247)
Where is the funny part about deep fakes?

None.

End of story.


blackmonsters 02-23-2018 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Catalyst (Post 22217259)
Have you seen the nicolas cage deepfakes or the trump deepfakes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On3vPlqcsLo

Yeah, I'm sure they are on youtube.

:1orglaugh

InfoGuy 02-23-2018 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 22217135)
Do you own the video of the celebrity too or is that stolen content?

:helpme

There are plenty of celebrity photos in the public domain, so use of them shouldn't be considered stolen. It would be interesting to see what a judge would say about the combination of public domain celebrity images AI merged with one's own video content.

2MuchMark 02-23-2018 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by InfoGuy (Post 22217303)
There are plenty of celebrity photos in the public domain,

Like who?

blackmonsters 02-23-2018 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by InfoGuy (Post 22217303)
There are plenty of celebrity photos in the public domain, so use of them shouldn't be considered stolen. It would be interesting to see what a judge would say about the combination of public domain celebrity images AI merged with one's own video content.

The judge would say "do you want the top or bottom bunk?"

:1orglaugh

blackmonsters 02-23-2018 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 22217309)
Like who?

Don't argue with "copyright benders" because they don't get it until the cock is all the way up Kim Dotcom's ass.

:1orglaugh

InfoGuy 02-23-2018 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 22217309)
Like who?

Go to Wikipedia.org and pick your favorite celebrity.

InfoGuy 02-23-2018 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 22217373)
Don't argue with "copyright benders" because they don't get it until the cock is all the way up Kim Dotcom's ass.

:1orglaugh

I'm not putting my neck on the chopping block, but Manwin/Mindgeek took plenty of liberties using others' copyrighted content and got away with it.

blackmonsters 02-23-2018 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by InfoGuy (Post 22217407)
I'm not putting my neck on the chopping block, but Manwin/Mindgeek took plenty of liberties using others' copyrighted content and got away with it.

And plenty of people got away with murder but it's still illegal.

Bladewire 02-23-2018 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by InfoGuy (Post 22217407)
I'm not putting my neck on the chopping block, but Manwin/Mindgeek took plenty of liberties using others' copyrighted content and got away with it.

Yeah Manwin/Mindgeek sent out a release saying they're banning deep fakes because it's non consensual content.

But my stolen content on porn hub is not consensual what the fuck are they doing about that? They aren't banning it because it sure as fuck keeps popping up every fucking week after being removed.

InfoGuy 02-23-2018 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 22217429)
And plenty of people got away with murder but it's still illegal.

The legality of AI created content is still yet to be determined. There are legitimate arguments on both sides.

2MuchMark 02-23-2018 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by InfoGuy (Post 22217399)
Go to Wikipedia.org and pick your favorite celebrity.

Just because a persons picture appears on Wikipedia or others like IMDB doesn't mean it is in the public domain.

In order for you to use a picture of anyone for your own business or even in content you generate yourself, you have to have permission to do so, and usually that means paying for the rights to use that image.

This is true in just about every circumstance. Even a photograph of a person in a movie, where that person did not even act, must be paid for. Any time there is a sound or a sample that is used in any song, that sound or sample has been or should have been paid for too. Look up copyright law to know more about how this works, and about exceptions, etc.


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Originally Posted by InfoGuy (Post 22217407)
I'm not putting my neck on the chopping block, but Manwin/Mindgeek took plenty of liberties using others' copyrighted content and got away with it.

If you distribute any content without permission or rights to do so, you are asking for lots of legal trouble.

But don't take my word for it, just ask your lawyer.

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22217433)
Yeah Manwin/Mindgeek sent out a release saying they're banning deep fakes because it's non consensual content.

Probably a very smart move by Mindgeek. I'm pretty sure they woudn't want to get into a legal battle with Disney or Universal or MGM.


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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22217433)
But my stolen content on porn hub is not consensual what the fuck are they doing about that? They aren't banning it because it sure as fuck keeps popping up every fucking week after being removed.

That fucking sucks. You would think that tube sites would have wanted to work with content creators to get a better handle on this by now.


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Originally Posted by InfoGuy (Post 22217453)
The legality of AI created content is still yet to be determined.

I don't think you understand how it works. AI "Created" content uses images scraped from Google Image Search. Go to Google Images and enter the name of your favourite celeb, and you will get their images. Find the right angle and images you want and copy-paste them onto a single frame of a video you like, then do it again for the next frame. Lather, rinse, repeat. "Deep Fake" does this and repeats this step thousands of times, with a little filter and cropping thrown in.

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Originally Posted by InfoGuy (Post 22217453)
There are legitimate arguments on both sides.

Really? Do share.

ZENRA 02-23-2018 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Catalyst (Post 22217233)
Really it is 2 questions.

are deepfake legal?

Deepfakes could be seen as derivative works.
Makes you wonder how they may proliferate if a legal case involving one is dismissed because of this.

mce 02-23-2018 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DBS.US (Post 22216635)

Thanks. Good resource.

InfoGuy 02-23-2018 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 22217484)
Just because a persons picture appears on Wikipedia or others like IMDB doesn't mean it is in the public domain.

In order for you to use a picture of anyone for your own business or even in content you generate yourself, you have to have permission to do so, and usually that means paying for the rights to use that image.

This is true in just about every circumstance. Even a photograph of a person in a movie, where that person did not even act, must be paid for. Any time there is a sound or a sample that is used in any song, that sound or sample has been or should have been paid for too. Look up copyright law to know more about how this works, and about exceptions, etc.

There are plenty of files on Wikipedia with the following licensing terms:

Quote:

This file is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 Generic license.

You are free:

to share ? to copy, distribute and transmit the work
to remix ? to adapt the work

Under the following conditions:

attribution ? You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work).
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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 22217484)
Really? Do share.

See link posted by DBS.US in post #7 above.

dillfly2000 02-23-2018 09:32 PM

Should be legal.


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