Why the North Korea summit is going off the rails, explained by an expert
 

"Robert E. Kelly, a professor at South Korea’s Pusan National University, gave a really clear explanation:
It’s all because of South Korean President Moon Jae-in."


https://www.vox.com/world/2018/5/21/...summit-bbc-dad

Serial invader USA asking somebody to de nuke is probably maximum possible humor...i am laughing all day long because Americans honestly expect somebody to give up their anti USIS weapons...

It is NOT because John " Dumbo" Bolton said he wants a total de nuclearisation, but because he said he is looking at "a Libyan type solution...." In North Korea, Kim has an internet and he searched what it means. He saw this....a true American solution for their allies...

https://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/d...622/416550.jpg

..and never mind The Shaw of Iran, Mubarak, Hussain,Noriega...etc etc.. Kim probably searched them too...

Un was never going to denuke, regardless of Bolton and regardless of google searches.

This about Moon's gambit to appease trump creating this nightmare scenario around the summit now.

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Bolton basically said via dog whistle that he wants to denuclearize North Korea so he can change leadership there. North Korea heard that dog whistle and shut down negotiation. Stupid

Bolton wants war. He's a huge warhawk

I have to disagree Bladewire, on the NK part not the Bolton part, I call him Dolton. see above.

they are shutting down a test site...this is not the same as denuclearization, which will never ever ever ever ever ever happen peacefully...

Trump has no idea what he is going. None at all. All of his experience is in the boardroom in a business deals where two people want to come to together to make money. This is completely different. This is four countries (US, SK, NK, and China) all of who want different things - and dozens of other groups and political parties all with their own agendas.

Yet still we don't have an ambassador in South Korea. LOL.

It's a scary read if you finished it, Trumpers desperate for a photo shoot is walking you straight in to the unknown.

Military's preparing.. what are you the American public being asked to do? Thoughts and Prayers?


US sends powerful warship to Japan amid looming Trump-Kim summit | Fox News

Of course I read the entire article. I would not have posted it otherwise. I don't fall for the media's doomsday baloney.

you should ask Moon what he's going to do about it, thoughts & prayers, he's the one that played trump so well that it got the US into this mess of a summit.

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We just sent a warship to Japan and you say "nothing to see here" and throw shade on "the media"

The military was prepared for an attack in early spring. That was called off because of SK's manipulation of events making it "appear" that the NK leader was ready to talk/deal. The edge is now off of the training that had taken place to prepare our military for an attack on NK, especially in the Special OP's AO, so probably will now not take place this year no matter what the outcome is over a summit meeting. I am not 100% sure that the attack will not still happen but my confidence level is on the high side that it will not now happen this year.

you're right. I'm not in panic mode. I'm certainly keeping a keen eye on current events.

It's about facts, not panic.

You pulled the typical alt right move, don't focus on what happened and attack the perimeters:

1) What happened doesn't matter

2) Media bad

3) Don't believe facts because "media bad"

4) You care so you are
A) panicked
B) irrational
C) partisan
D) victim of the evil media

I'm fine with you voicing your opinion of my view.

Also, the article I posted has plenty of anti-trump in it. I knew that when I started this thread and linked the article. That has nothing to do with the fact the article states verbatim:

"It’s all because of South Korean President Moon Jae-in."

And I am also otr here stating that Asians have played trump well, by flattering him, it's the only way, we all know that. He's not a details guy. nevertheless, Moon realized this and as SteveRupe pointed out about plans, Moon was absolutely concerned about trump impeding the peace process. He played the only card he had, flattering trump.

Waking up I see

i'm much more woke than any anti-American is MrBB, always have been, always will be.

instead of thanking me for posting a fair and accurate portrayal of the events from a liberal news source, Vox, some here choose to come at me for doing so.

That's fine.

I'm certainly not Anti American, just a bit concerned when they guy with the biggest nuke button can be swayed by a dollar bill or a mirror.

You come across very anti-American, I haven't been bothered by that up until you began disrespecting my views.

By the end of the year we will be in a nuclear war with both Iran and North Korea. You think Trump put Bolton in there as National Security Adviser because he wants peace?

Let's hope not.

you may be giving trump too much credit, there seems to be no rhyme or reason re: his cabinet choices. He certainly seems to be lacking a plan, more chaos and willy-nilly. certainly ego strokers need only apply.

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Agreed, in recent months he has come off as quite anti-American; could be because he is so anti-Trump he can't help himself.

Alarmist idiot.

Right wing warmonger supporting drunkard.

summit is postponed.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-nor...163113427.html

No Nobel for trump LOL

It is not his fault ....

It is China's fault , because of the 2nd trip

.. .and it is Moon fault, becvause he was to eager ....

But ' BIGGLY NO, it is in NO WAY Trump's fault ..... :)

I doubt anyone except for a few diehard trump loyalists ever believed trump had an actually serious chance at a nobel prize. he's the same guy who bragged at a UN convention about killing people or something to that effect.

Nevertheless, the very liberal prof who laid out the explanation in the article does in fact trace the entire debacle back to Moon playing the only cards he had, flattering trump by claiming he should win a nobel for his part in the nk/sk peace and by overstating Un's willingness to denuke.

it was a gambit Moon had no choice but to make, as the article shows.

s.korea should just tell the USA to go home...lets face it: the USA does not want peace because crony """"""""""""""""""""""""""defense""""""""""""""""" """""""" money flow will be interrupted...for good measure they should also close the US embassy in s.korea...this will set the foundation for real peace talks between people who have an actual interest in peace and not war profits...

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Cannot believe it, we are agreeing again....what happened ??:thumbsup

My point was that since the Marshall plan which was the last good gesture by USA for their defeated enemies and allies alike, they have managed to betray all their allies and even enemies which became allies.... with friends like America who needs enemies...:1orglaugh

Unfortunately, the last option they had to become an allies with the last Judeo Christian power ( and yes I mean Russia) was pissed of by the warmongers on both sides of the aisle.

thank you for expressing your opinion but the facts are facts and America has done plenty good for plenty of people since the Marshall Plan.

Either way, America will be fine if you don't want to be friends.

Enjoy your day!

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http://www.notbeinggoverned.com/wp-c...erventions.gif

I understand that uneducated people are simpletons and can only see in black & white.

USA can be only one or the other to you. Your hate and anger dictate your position.

Hey, I am a friend of America and I consider most Americans really nice people ( albeit a bit loud :1orglaugh ).I travel there often and have many American friends ( many would agree with me) but , after they saved the World twice with a huge sacrifice in lives, for which I am entirely grateful, something changed and now they need to understand that they have abandoned an every ally since the end of the 50ties, starting with Batista in Cuba and betraying the Hungarians in 56.... I can name at least a dozen since then. So, if you see one exception as to where they stuck with their friends ( or former enemies then friends or allies) thru thick and thin, then post it here...and please do not mention Israel....( that is a whole new thread).

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fuck off invader...you bombed 3rd world farmers who you westerners first robbed blind with centuries of colonialism and then you left your crony puppet governments to exploit them further...when they wanted freedom from the living hell you left them in you bombed and invaded them and now you are like "its not black and white" :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I don't believe anything that any "expert" says.
There seems to be an "expert" for every issue.

And yet...these "experts" have been advising and shaping foreign AND domestic policy for decades.
And their track record is abysmal.

thanks for explaining your view.

USA rebuilding Japan after ww2.

your view would be valid if you didn't give the entire rest of the world a free pass for the same shit.

what's your non-expert explanation of events leading up to the summit?

You're a real fucking idiot :1orglaugh A nice guy outside politics, but a complete no brainier zombie :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

"I don't believe anything that any "expert" says." ~ Robbie Boyette 5.23.18 - Post Trump

another.

U.S. Gives Financial Aid to 96% of All Countries

According to the federal government, for fiscal year 2012, “The United States remained the world’s largest bilateral donor, obligating approximately $48.4 billion—$31.2 billion in economic assistance and $17.2 billion in military assistance.” However, “obligated” funds are not the same as “dispersed.”

The U.S. disbursed $33.2 billion—$19 billion in economic assistance to 184 countries and $14.2 billion in military assistance to 142 countries. Out of the top six U.S. foreign aid recipients, five of them were Muslim countries.

Fuck off invader, US "aid" is bribe and crony money...a local politician here got the money to build a gravel road to his mother's village, it's my favorite off road trail...thanks US "aid"...

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Guaranteed he took a shot of vodka after posting that 11:53pm Novosibirsk, Russia time :2 cents:

keep feigning anger orphan, it helps with the pain of your sad life as an abandoned orphan.