Thanks Trump.. online retail will now get taxed..
 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/sup...-sales-n873416

Contracts on the Supreme Court picks!


President Donald Trump gave the issue renewed visibility when he tweeted in early April that Amazon pays "little or no taxes to state & local governments."

Republicans just raised your taxes.... It wasn't Amazon who didn't pay these taxes.. It was YOU. Now You and everyone else will be charged taxes for online retail.. Congrats for your whining and blind support of a dumb fuck tweeting..

but..but.. mah tax cuts!!! It's all Obama's fault somehow..

Got to admire how efficient Trump is right? In less than 3 months a tweet from the President turned into a supreme court ruling. Amazing stuff, usually something like that would take much longer.

I also read recently that Trump was in fact kicking for Scott Norwood in super bowl XXV,

Trump also wants to add a .25 cent per gallon gasoline tax


Trump urges GOP to consider a 25-cent hike in the gas tax

Trump was able to stack the Supreme Court and his tweets told them how they needed to vote.. They went against long standing rulings in favor of what Trump was pushing..

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I saw this on the news today.

I wondered about it...because I've been paying taxes on stuff online for years anyway.
Not on everything...but just from some places.

For instance, I paid zero sales tax on an order from B&H Photo

But on this order from American Musical Supply I did pay tax:
Ship To
Robert Boyette
7310 Falvo Ave
Las Vegas, NV 89131

Summary
Subtotal: $2,399.98
Sales Tax: $196.18
Shipping & Processing: $21.95
Total: $2,618.11


So I'm guessing that this new ruling will require all companies to collect state sales tax as opposed to companies picking and choosing?

For instance here is a Go-Pro I bought back in May of 2017:
Subtotal $349.97
Shipping 2-Day $0.00
Sales Tax $28.87
Order Total $378.84


They charged sales tax.

And here is an order from a couple of weeks ago at Sweetwater Music. No tax:
Mesa/Boogie Triple Crown TC-50 - 50-watt Rackmount Tube Head
✓ Free Tech Support ✓ Free 2-Year Warranty
1 $1,899.00 $1,899.00
Dunlop CBM95 Cry Baby Mini Wah Pedal
✓ Free Tech Support ✓ Free 2-Year Warranty
1 $100.00 $100.00
Subtotal: $1999.00
Shipping & Handling: $70.30
FREE SHIPPING: -$70.30
Total Before Tax: $1,999.00
Estimated Tax: $0.00
Order Total: $1,999.00

Been wondering why I pay tax on some stuff and not on others.

Because Crockett is melting down and lying again, he cut the bolded part out

President Donald Trump gave the issue renewed visibility when he tweeted in early April that Amazon pays "little or no taxes to state & local governments." That wasn't correct: The company has collected taxes since April 1, 2017, on sales to customers in the 45 states that collect them. That leaves out only Alaska, Delaware, Montana, New Hampshire and Oregon.

Gorsuch seems like a reasonable SC judge. I'm not seeing anything to criticize trump over about him. This sales tax story isn't really an issue.

It's not picking and choosing. The company you bought from is in your state...

8 years of Obama and Robbie bitched and moaned constantly saying Obama was going to raise taxes... Trump raises state sales taxes, and wants to raise gas taxes, and Robbie says nothing negative :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

There are currently 4 states with no sales tax Delaware, Montana, Oregon, and New Hampshire. Now citizens there will all have to pay sales tax at the location of purchase online.

So now you will be charged double state tax for some purchases depending on where you live, sales tax in the state you are located, and state sales tax for the state the online store is located. :321GFY #FuckTrump

actually this way predates trump...the rule was if the seller had a brick and mortar store in the state then the state could require sales tax collection, otherwise they could not. This COURT ( ie not a new law or executive order) ruling broadened it to allow states to collect sales tax whether the vendor has a brick and mortar store in the state or not.

wrong!!!!!!

sure but its a pretty huge broadening. no one paid taxes on amazon stuff, now everyone will i assume?

Trump now controls the Supreme Court with Twitter. Democrats who insist political bias isn't a factor in their Supreme Court nominations now complaining that Judges with political bias are increasing taxes.

Funny stuff.

The guy is more effective with 140 characters on a smart phone than Obama was with 1000 teleprompters and a fawning media.

Melting Democrats down for 8 years...

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By the way... how are all the children at the border doing that just yesterday you were so "outraged" about?

Any word?

Do you know anything about anything thats going on down there?

No?

Didn't think so.

Thats right, you don't know any more about it today than you did yesterday or the day before.... but but but muh childrens!

That fit of feigned outrage and virtue signaling didn't last long at all.

The fact that people on a webmaster board can't figure this out is prime example as to why this decision came to be and why it will stand.. And in the process greatly affect the internet as we know it... If you think your sales don't count... Think again....... I paid sales tax on the local water park membership for my son... They will be coming for website membership sales as well... If someone paid you for it..Some municipality is going to be looking for their tax... Not good for ANYONE in this business...

Not good for anyone who buys anything online.

Not good for any online business.... Do you realize how many different tax zones there are in America? Let's just narrow it down to 50 out of 1000s.. You make a sale to 1 person in every state. That's 50 tax filings for your business. And could mean 50 tax audits for your business..

What???
I live in Las Vegas, NV
NONE of those companies are in my state.

Protect the 2nd amendment! Fight this tyranny! Shove your taxes up your ass! Viva la revolution!

There was some sort of local presence. Just because a company is based somewhere else doesn't mean the don't have a b&m presence. Amazon charges tax in most states because they have distribution centers in those states... Not retail shops.. They aren't technically the sellers.. Distribution.. Could even be because of gopro presence and they drop shipped.. Who knows.. If they did collect sales tax without local presence and aren't remitting they did so illegally.. Well, until this decision anyway...

Previously, online vendors only were required to collect state sale taxes for sales with-in states they operated in with a physical location. The problem is now a website will have to collect state and maybe even country/city sales taxes all over the country which will be a massive burden for small companies..

This will include your websites.. This ruling will directly affect you and your business..

Not sure why AMS would charge you sales tax as they appear to be based in NJ, but it's possible they have a distribution center in your state perhaps.

edit, yes they have a distribution center in your state, hence the reason you get charged sales tax.

https://www.americanmusical.com/Imag...map_091216.jpg

This obviously wont start overnight, might even take a few years for some states, but it's gonna start soon you can bet your ass on that if states can collect taxes they will want that money..


On the flip side the processing companies will probably cash in on this by offering up automated solutions for a nice fat fee sometime down the road, but until there is a automated system this will be hell on small vendors.

For once we can agree on something.

The music place has a distribution center in your state.

a number of shopify aps have this covered, plug and play, for shopify. Even EU country by country.

Do they cover filings and audits as well? :1orglaugh

As for me.. Local sales only until this gets sorted out. It's going to hurt... But less of a headache..

There is a potential upside to this for me.. But it's a complete 180 in my biz..

that's what your CPA attorney/consultant is for.

Until each state creates laws to require online vendors to collect taxes you wont have to. It would be smarter to just stop selling to states that collect taxes at 1st until there is a easy solution.

The problem is like my sales tax in FL, I have to file every quarter. That means now you'd have to do that 50 times every quarter for all 50 states. Even if you don't sell anything in that state you will still have to report no sales..

You know damn well if states start collecting it will be counties and cities next..

you drop ship right? and you are mobile. why not set up offshore? You'd have zero corporate footprint in US.

Every state has to figure out how to go about doing it but this essentially applies as of ruling.... If you make a sale in a state that has a sales tax period from ruling on and you don't collect you're playing a dicey game... There is no difference in online and b&m as far as they will be concerned..... That's what the ruling is all about...

Now consider this.. Remember how the IRS was weaponized to target tea party? Multiply that times 10, 25, 50 or 1000... This is going to be a fucking disaster.

this isn't my understanding. 1. the SC ruling is for 1 state's law. every state needs to enact their law about it. 2. the SC suggested exempting small businesses. 3. Congress can make a law to sort it out. I'm not too worried about it. But our sales have never been impacted by our charging tax.

So a question for the Trump fans, does this ruling apply to digital goods ?

i.e. Will your porn sales now be subject to sales tax ? Are cam girls going to take a hit ?

Are we about to see every single vendor of digital or non tangible goods hot foot it out of the US ?

Is that the end of Google et al as US domiciles?

The ruling says states have the right to collect, but states will have to still make laws requiring virtual stores to comply.


The IRS was not weaponized against tea party groups. That was "fake news". The IRS also went after progressive groups as well..

They targeted groups who were political by name not specific to tea party. They targeted these groups due to high rate of illegal activity not because they were tea party or progressive...

Remember even vendilldo here on gfy set up a fraudulent 501 group to try to get rich scamming old ladies out of donations on behalf of Hillary..

Ask vendilldo how much he spent promoting Hillary's campaign... Absolutely not a dime, which is why the FBI was going after 501 political groups...

It's why I troll the fuck out of vendilldo every time he posts, because he is a scamming assholes.. Want proof look up the filings for his 501 group, not a dime of donations were spent on campaigning for Hillary.

Nope. I have purchased from these companies for years including when I lived in South Carolina.

I buy music gear all the time. And camera gear all the time.

I'm assuming you know who B&H Photo are if you have ever done any pro production.
and they are located on 34th Street in Manhattan. Note that there is NO sales tax:


Bolt VM-160 LED Macro Ring Light
BOVM160
In Stock QTY: 1 Price: $109.95 $109.95

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM Lens
CA247028LII
In Stock QTY: 1 Price: $1,699.00 $1,699.00

Canon EOS 5D Mark IV DSLR Camera with Canon Log (Body Only)
CAE5D4CL
In Stock QTY: 1 Price: $3,299.00 $3,299.00

SanDisk 64GB Extreme PRO SDXC UHS-I Memory Card
SAEPSD64GV3G
In Stock QTY: 1 Price: $0.00 $0.00

Canon BG-E20 Battery Grip for EOS 5D Mark IV
CABGE20
More on the Way QTY: 1 Price: $0.00 $0.00

Ruggard Journey 44 DSLR Shoulder Bag (Black)
RUPSB144B
In Stock QTY: 1 Price: $0.00 $0.00

Watson LP-E6N Lithium-Ion Battery Pack (7.2V, 1900mAh)
WALPE6NV2
In Stock QTY: 1 Price: $39.95 $39.95

Watson LP-E6N Lithium-Ion Battery Pack (7.2V, 1900mAh)
WALPE6NV2
In Stock QTY: 1 Price: $0.00 $0.00


Subtotal
Shipping
Tax
Total $5,147.90
$0.00
$0.00
$5,147.90

But the Go Pro receipt I showed that did charge sales tax...I bought that straight off GoPro.Com
I THINK they are in California.

And American Musical Supply which also charged sales tax are located in Oakland, New Jersey.

As I said...I've seen dozens of things like that where one company will charge sales tax and another won't.
Maybe certain states already require them to collect state sales tax and NOW it will be a Federal thing too?

Robbie.. You're not getting it. B&H doesn't charge you tax because the don't have a presence in your state.. AMS does because they have a distribution center there..

With this ruling B&H would be required to charge you tax and file with your state.

You will very likely have to begin collecting sales tax on membership sales or whatever.... File and remit taxes to each and every state your members purchase from.....

If a state this far into the internet doesn't have something on the books for online biz they are living in the 80s. Either way you can bet they are moving fast to implement.. Faster than mom and pop, you or I can move.. Probably votes going down today...

Congress will have to.. No doubt.. My sales are avg $1000+ per transaction.. It makes a big difference when you get up in the dollar amounts. A 10% tax or whatever on a $1000 item and then add on shipping (mine is 90+% freight).. People are going to have second thoughts. It's a game changer.

Damn Robbie, still making bank eh?
And I thought there was no money in porn!!

:)

I get what you are saying...but if they have a distribution center...then why did my shipment come in from New Jersey?

Or does it matter where it comes from as long as they can claim a "presence"?

I know that Musicians Friend is the same thing as Guitar Center. So I'm very aware that they have a presence in most states. But American Musical Supply...I'm not aware of any presence.
And if they did have a presence it would probably be in either Vegas or Reno (all the other town in Nevada are small)

I believe AMS and ZZZounds are the same company and ZZzounds has a warehouse in Nevada, this could explain the discrepancy.

Reading up on SD law... $100k+ in sales... And notices to be displayed apparently..

According to the law, these high-volume retailers must provide readily visible notice in certain locations on those parts of their websites that relate to facilitating, confirming, and/or checking out transactions. The notices must state that:

the noncollecting retailer is not required to collect, and does not collect, South Dakota sales or use tax
the purchase is subject to state use tax unless it is specifically exempt from taxation
the purchase is not exempt merely because the purchase is made over the Internet, by catalog, or by other remote means
the state requires each South Dakota purchaser to report any purchase that was not taxed and pay tax on the purchase; the tax may be reported and paid on the South Dakota use tax form, and
the use tax form and corresponding instructions are available on the South Dakota Department of Revenue website.


If each state adopts $100k per state most small biz should be fine.. For now... Now that the door is open.. No telling...

You don't really want to claim a presence.. :1orglaugh They just so happen to have one in your state... A presence could even mean a sales rep based in your state.

The ruling only impacts businesses making over $100,000 a year. I can see businesses that make more than that creating two or three or more entities that all make under $100,000 each

Which then leads to them lowering the bar.

If congress gets involved.. My bet is they end up doing total sales....